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nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 07:42 AM Feb 2023

Rambling thoughts as I approach 70 years old

As I approach seven decades on this planet we call earth, I reflect at times on things I have seen, experienced and things I still do not understand. Here is just part of those in the 60's.

The JFK/Nixon election in 1960

I was going on six years old at the time but can recall my parents and elder family members being very excited about John F Kennedy. Most of them despised Nixon for his time as VP to Ike and were all solid democrats. Kennedy running to be the first Catholic President of the USA did play a part in how they viewed him since my family is Catholic. I can still hear the kids at school singing a simple ditty on the playground. "Kennedy, Kennedy yes he can, Nixon belongs in the garbage can!"

November 22, 1963

JFK of course had won the election and had guided us through the Cuban Missile Crisis. For that, I remember drills at school. Stop, drop and cover. But November 22nd changed the world forever when Kennedy was murdered in Dallas. I recall being at school in the third grade when the Principle came to our room asking the class to pray because the President had been shot. Not long after, the funeral bells began tolling at the church across the street and we were informed he had died.

As my brother and I headed home, we were happy having been dismissed early from school. When we got home and saw mom crying it sunk in as to what had happened and how serious it was. Our father was as tough as they come but even he when he got home from work was visibly shaken. Our President had died at the hands of a gunman.

That was a Thursday and on Sunday we watched as the Dallas Police were about to move Oswald and Jack Ruby shot him on national television. My father was happy that in his words someone "shot the SOB" mom though was concerned we would never find out why Oswald did it.

The funeral for JFK was sad. Even at that age I felt bad for Mrs. Kennedy and her children.

Viet Nam

There is a lot in the early years of this debacle that I was too young to understand. As I grew and began to witness the news of it nightly through Walter Cronkite, I was sickened by it. I remember mom crying many nights as the deaths mounted. Our father told us boys he was proud he never had a gun and never would. He had served during the Korean war and had his fill. Being the oldest son he told me if it was still going on when I was out of school he would send me to Canada so I could avoid having to serve. He's been gone for a few years but i still give thanks for his feelings regarding my safety.

There were friends of mine that had older brothers that served one of which was killed in Nam. The city I live had a public memorial for him which we attended. That was quite sad as well.

Civil Rights

Wow. Where to begin. It is 2023 and we are still fighting this? From the moment I saw on the news water cannons being used on protesters and vicious dogs unleashed upon them I was angry and knew this was not right. My parents helped enforce those feelings with myself and siblings. The paper route I had helped to teach me all I needed to know about people. We grew up in a mixed neighborhood and over half of my customers were African - American. Through my route, I learned people are people regardless of color. There is good and bad in all, period.

I was caught up in the teachings of the Reverend Martin Luther King and loved that man. I was very upset when he too was murdered. It still disgusts me after all these years and his teachings millions of Americans have not learned a thing. I keep hoping to see this end in my lifetime but I seriously doubt it will.

These are just but a few. I could go on but this would get quite wordy. More may follow but i do not want to bore anyone. Have a great day everyone!


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Rambling thoughts as I approach 70 years old (Original Post) nightwing1240 Feb 2023 OP
Please continue! Easterncedar Feb 2023 #1
thank you! nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #9
You and I are the same age and you pretty much chronicled what I experienced as well. Solomon Feb 2023 #2
Same age, same life experiences. Chainfire Feb 2023 #25
Post World War Two Blues lapfog_1 Feb 2023 #3
I heartily encourage you to go on, please EYESORE 9001 Feb 2023 #4
Ramble on please... old as dirt Feb 2023 #5
The infamous weekend in 1963 flor-de-jasmim Feb 2023 #6
That was a Friday, thank you nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #12
Your's is pretty close to my tale as well. The music of that era, Motown and protest, helped us... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2023 #7
oh wow Motown was awesome! nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #11
We are the same age.. PCIntern Feb 2023 #8
Yes I remember that too nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #10
Being 3 years younger than you, I can parrot many of your general feelings. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2023 #13
On the brighter side,... flor-de-jasmim Feb 2023 #14
I had a book like that. Texaswitchy Feb 2023 #34
Beautiful writing! sunnybrook Feb 2023 #15
wow thank you so much :) nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #29
Womens rights won and then stolen away by christofascist SCOTUS. lark Feb 2023 #16
I can relate... ewagner Feb 2023 #17
73 and often sad/furious that there are days we seem to be racing backwards in time. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2023 #18
Thanks for sharing your memories. quabbin Feb 2023 #19
Thank you nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #30
Same age, same experiences Doc Sportello Feb 2023 #20
I have a couple of years on you but share similar memories. Lonestarblue Feb 2023 #21
Thank you! nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #31
Dr. Thompson wrote a lovely elegy for Those Times. kgray96057 Feb 2023 #22
Wow! Thats your own writing before the Thompson quote? Nice, kgray! 70sEraVet Feb 2023 #24
I saw Bobby Kennedy when I was 9 or 10. He flew into our airport when he won the Senate seat. 70sEraVet Feb 2023 #23
I would like to add myself to the post. slater71 Feb 2023 #26
My father had a similar reaction to The Beatles nightwing1240 Feb 2023 #32
I grew up during the 60's, 70s, I loved the culture back then, I miss it. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #27
If you're about to be 70, you're actually approaching your eighth decade on this planet Polybius Feb 2023 #28
Same here. Texaswitchy Feb 2023 #33
Another 1953 birth, turned 70 less than 10 days ago. kr PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #35
I turn 70 this year GenThePerservering Feb 2023 #36

Easterncedar

(6,650 posts)
1. Please continue!
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 07:55 AM
Feb 2023

I was right behind you, and had similar experiences. Very interesting to read. Thanks!

Solomon

(12,654 posts)
2. You and I are the same age and you pretty much chronicled what I experienced as well.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 08:08 AM
Feb 2023

I'll add a couple more. I remember how terrified my family and I were of Goldwater in1964.

Just a couple months after Martin Luther King was killed, Bobby Kennedy was killed. His death sort of sealed the paradigm. "The good die young". We went from peace loving hippies changing the world to unabashed violence to maintain the status quo.


 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
25. Same age, same life experiences.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 12:07 PM
Feb 2023

An additional special moment was when the Eagle landed. Fast forward to 2001.

EYESORE 9001

(30,023 posts)
4. I heartily encourage you to go on, please
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 08:33 AM
Feb 2023

We just assume our collective experiences will always be around, waiting to be picked like ripe fruits from a virtual orchard. It seems we’re being trained to ‘outsource our memory’ without retaining anything between our ears.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
5. Ramble on please...
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 08:37 AM
Feb 2023

I don't necessarily expect to reach that age, (My wife is 70, and is still working), but...

flor-de-jasmim

(2,289 posts)
6. The infamous weekend in 1963
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 08:47 AM
Feb 2023

November 22nd was actually a Friday, and I remember spending Friday afternoon and all day Saturday and Sunday glued to the TV with my parents, watching everything play out in real time. Although I wouldn't have had the awareness at the time, it was later said to be the death of innocence in the U.S.

With civil unrest and the Watts riots of 1965 in LA, nothing seemed to be the same. In the late 60s, the high school I attended in the Greater Boston area had 1 black student - busing began, with maybe 30 black students being bussed in from Roxbury. I remember being in favor of the idea because of the level of education they would get, but sad that nothing was done to actually foster their integration (and their long bus rides each day). In 1969 or 1970 my English teacher gave us an assignment - to go to Roxbury and write about our experiences. How did we feel being in the minority? There was an outcry in the community. I had lived in several different communities and extrapolated my feelings, so I turned in an assignment based on those memories (I got an A - was it because I could convey fear and uncertainty?? I would love to know the grading criteria!!).

The assassinations of MLK and RFK were also imprinted in my mind, and throughout President Obama's term felt an ongoing unease that he would not remain safe. Every now and then I shake my head at the Secret Service ordering Dallas police to STOP screening for weapons at a campaign rally for Obama in February 2009. In DALLAS, ffs.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
12. That was a Friday, thank you
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:19 AM
Feb 2023

I too was very concerned about the safety of President Obama. I thought it was quite absurd that they would not, in Dallas of all places, screen for weapons. I still shake my head about that.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,628 posts)
7. Your's is pretty close to my tale as well. The music of that era, Motown and protest, helped us...
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 08:58 AM
Feb 2023

a lot to both understand and celebrate brief good times when we could find them.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
11. oh wow Motown was awesome!
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:12 AM
Feb 2023

And we were able to see many singers and bands performing on the Ed Sullivan Show. My mother loved Diana Ross!

Ferrets are Cool

(23,065 posts)
13. Being 3 years younger than you, I can parrot many of your general feelings.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:27 AM
Feb 2023

It took me much longer to understand certain things, like civil rights, because the home atmosphere was not conductive to progressive thinking. But, like you, I remember the funeral for JFK as well as the first steps on the moon.

Please continue if you wish. It's a very good read.

flor-de-jasmim

(2,289 posts)
14. On the brighter side,...
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:31 AM
Feb 2023

I remember the book on kids' letters to President Kennedy and a book poking (gentle) fun on LBJ and the Great Society. I thought the tradition of kids writing to presidents might have started with Kennedy, but no, it's a much older tradition. Apparently in 1940 Fidel Castro wrote to Pres. Roosevelt to ask for a U.S. $10 bill, because he had never seen one before!!

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
34. I had a book like that.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 04:03 PM
Feb 2023

Got lost along the way.

The Great Society.

The Vietnam took care of that .

sunnybrook

(1,286 posts)
15. Beautiful writing!
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:35 AM
Feb 2023

I also encourage you to continue, it was a pleasure to read.

Also I hope you understand how lucky you were to have such a forward thinking and loving family. I had to arrive at these truths on my own, though my family loved me they were not terribly enlightened about race.

That was beautiful, you could write a memoir. It was very interesting and read like a professional work.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
29. wow thank you so much :)
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 02:49 PM
Feb 2023

Yes i do realize and am very grateful for the parents I had/have. Mom is 89 and doing well. They were wonderful to all of my brothers and sister

lark

(26,138 posts)
16. Womens rights won and then stolen away by christofascist SCOTUS.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:46 AM
Feb 2023

Marriage equality and contraception are now on the block, counting down to destruction.

ewagner

(18,967 posts)
17. I can relate...
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 10:01 AM
Feb 2023

I'm about 5 years older than you which means I was in my early high school years when the world started to unravel. I was blessed/cursed with being conscious of what was going on....

My story is much the same as yours and I will add only a couple of things that you probably experienced but didn't mention:

I was faced with the cold, hard fact that, because of Viet Nam, I would receive my high school diploma and a draft notice shortly thereafter. The draft affected all of us at that time and shaped careers and attitudes for years to come.

My college years were indelibly shaped by the Spring of 1968....First Martin Luther King Jr. was killed by a white supremacist and then shortly thereafter, Bobby Kennedy was gunned down.

There was a spirit of activism..."If not now, when?" and "If not me, who?" on the campus and it shaped my life forever.

Thanks for the synopsis and welcome to the club.*

*...The club of those of us who lived through those troubled times....and still live through the consequences.

quabbin

(47 posts)
19. Thanks for sharing your memories.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 10:29 AM
Feb 2023

I can relate to your post. I too recently reached the 70-year milepost. Spending time looking back over one's lifetime seems to be a part of the aging process. I was 10 years old in the fifth grade when JFK was murdered. My teacher started crying when the announcement came over the PA system. For me the horror of that day was amplified when I returned home from school to find that a terrible event had also occurred in my neighborhood. Just up the street from my home a car carrying three nuns (also biological sisters) and their driver crashed through the guardrail on a reservoir causeway. All four people drowned. Several people dove into the water in an attempt to rescue them, but it was too late. The events of that day are burned into my memory. I also remember Walter Cronkite reporting the troop losses from Viet Nam every night on the evening news. One of my high school classmates left school our senior year and enlisted in the Marine Corp. He was sent to Viet Nam. He was in country five months when he was killed by a land mine. The assassinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK will haunt our generation to the end of our days. I look back and wonder how things would be better today if we hadn't lost those great men to treachery. I find myself now telling all the young people I meet that life passes by faster than they can ever imagine. It's a good thing to share your life's memories otherwise, "All those moments will be lost like tears in rain." - Roy Batty-Blade Runner. All the best to you.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
30. Thank you
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 02:53 PM
Feb 2023

And that is awful about the nuns. Very sorry that you lost a friend in that damn war.

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
20. Same age, same experiences
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 10:30 AM
Feb 2023

Of course we had the cultural revolution taking place as well. Many of those experiences were positive. But recurring tragedies beginning in November of 1963 helped turn a hopeful era into one of anger and despair. We came out of it better in many respects, not so in others.

Lonestarblue

(13,638 posts)
21. I have a couple of years on you but share similar memories.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 10:35 AM
Feb 2023

I remember the television being on for every part of JFK’s funeral and my mom remarking that it felt like one of the family had died.

And when Walter Cronkite said something, you knew it was true. He was our voice throughout the Vietnam War, one in which my brother served. Our relief when he finally returned home was enormous.

My memories of the 60s are of awakening to the facts of racial inequality. My high school integrated peacefully for my final year, though college was almost lily white. One of my other memories from those years was lying in bed listening to Wolfman Jack on WLS in Chicago—when I was supposed to be sleeping because I had school the next day. For me, the 60s and 70s were the golden era of music.

Your piece inspired mento look back at my own memories. I’m looking forward to the next installment!

kgray96057

(29 posts)
22. Dr. Thompson wrote a lovely elegy for Those Times.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 10:38 AM
Feb 2023

I lived through them. Though younger than you are, I was old enough to have an awareness, and to have The Fear: The feeling that something lovely, which was trying to grow, would soon enough be snuffed. Would soon enough be buried by hate and ugliness and the horrible clawing, clawing, always clawing ignorance and bias. That the old bigotries and isms- racism, sexism, whatever else you got, man- would provide just enough of an undertow to suck it all down and drown it, in sight of shore, an easy looking swim, but, oh well; it happens. If you read history, it happens a lot.

Still.

It looked like we were making progress. That love was just plain going to overwhelm all obstacles. There was a sense that even the older people were sick and goddamned tired of it all, and were willing to sigh a dragon's breath of Marlboro smoke and step aside. Crushing the butt under the heel of their boot and let it all run, ride, fly along. See what happened next.

In the words of The Doctor:

" There was madness in any direction, at any hour. If not across the Bay, then up the Golden Gate or down 101 to Los Altos or La Honda. . . . You could strike sparks anywhere. There was a fantastic universal sense that whatever we were doing was right, that we were winning. . . .

And that, I think, was the handle—that sense of inevitable victory over the forces of Old and Evil. Not in any mean or military sense; we didn’t need that. Our energy would simply prevail. There was no point in fighting—on our side or theirs. We had all the momentum; we were riding the crest of a high and beautiful wave. . . .

So now, less than five years later, you can go up on a steep hill in Las Vegas and look West, and with the right kind of eyes you can almost see the high-water mark—that place where the wave finally broke and rolled back.”

― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas "

70sEraVet

(5,735 posts)
24. Wow! Thats your own writing before the Thompson quote? Nice, kgray!
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 10:56 AM
Feb 2023

"Dragon's breath of Marlboro smoke".

70sEraVet

(5,735 posts)
23. I saw Bobby Kennedy when I was 9 or 10. He flew into our airport when he won the Senate seat.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 10:48 AM
Feb 2023

Our teacher took us to the airport so we could see him. I was too shy to stick my hand out for a handshake when he walked by.
Maybe 18 years ago, my oldest daughter and I drove to DC and did the typical tourist route. In Arlington Cemetery, it happened to be the anniversary of Bobby's death, and I saw the group of family members at his grave. I was suddenly overcome with emotion, and couldnt control my tears.
Odd, that at that moment, i felt more grief that i have felt at the deaths of some of my own family members.

slater71

(1,153 posts)
26. I would like to add myself to the post.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 12:28 PM
Feb 2023

I am also turning 70 in a couple of months, I can remember the Beatles coming to America and my Dad seeing them for the first time and saying "What in the hell is that saying they need a hair cut." He was a WWII vet and fought in the south pacific.
I remember coming home one day after high school graduation and telling my parents that I was leaving for the Air Force. My Mom said no your not and I am not having my son killed in Vietnam, She said she would not sign for me. I said I was 18 and she did not have to. Finally my Dad said to my mom to be quite and let the boy do what he wants to do. He shook my hand and my mom cried. They are gone now. I miss them.

nightwing1240

(1,996 posts)
32. My father had a similar reaction to The Beatles
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 03:01 PM
Feb 2023

Those guys need haircuts! He said as we watched them perform on Ed Sullivan. Mom said yes but dont they look nice in their suits lol

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
27. I grew up during the 60's, 70s, I loved the culture back then, I miss it.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 01:17 PM
Feb 2023

Yes they were violent times but our culture was so much better back then than it is today. Our culture today is pure stupidity, delusion, greed. Loved the Woodstock era, the music, more carefree life style.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
33. Same here.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 03:50 PM
Feb 2023

Same age.

We lived thru a time.

Made me who I am.

We were the start of major part of the baby boom.

In 1953 almost 4 million of us were born.

After that 4 million per year for next ten years.

We were the boom.

Good time to be a kid.

GenThePerservering

(4,078 posts)
36. I turn 70 this year
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 11:43 PM
Feb 2023

and what I find is I relate less and less well to most people my age, despite living through the same experiences.

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