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gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 06:01 PM Feb 2023

Neal Katyal Said It On Nicolle

Another fantastic opening segment on Deadline Whitehouse. Many questions being asked of the Manhattan Da, of SDNY, of DOJ in general, of the IRS, the IRS Inspector General. None of them want to indict Donald Trump and then Neal Katyal summed it up, paraphrasing; prosecutors almost have to try to lose a case against Donald Trump.

I don't think that Katyal believes that Bragg is going to pull the trigger, he appears to have launched a publicity campaign to get reelected.

Michael Cohen is selling his book.

I see brave women with the courage to take Trump on;

Letitia James
E. Jean Carroll with Roberta Kaplan
Fani Willis.
Almost forgot, the Michigan SOS and AG.

Go get em ladies.

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Neal Katyal Said It On Nicolle (Original Post) gab13by13 Feb 2023 OP
I recently started re-learning chess MANative Feb 2023 #1
Not bad, worth a heart. gab13by13 Feb 2023 #2
Thank you!! MANative Feb 2023 #4
Agree With Gab ProfessorGAC Feb 2023 #25
Many thanks!! MANative Feb 2023 #27
So you're saying Katyal said Trump won't be indicted? Kingofalldems Feb 2023 #3
I don't think Cohen should be blamed, he's been trying to get charges against Trump for years. dem4decades Feb 2023 #5
I watched it and your post is a little misleading. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #6
So Katyal did not say or even hint that Trump won't be indicted? Kingofalldems Feb 2023 #8
fff is misremembering, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #16
No I am not misremembering. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #20
Not really. He is as confused as everyone else when it comes to what Bragg did. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #19
Well Tish James disagrees with you about Michael Cohen jcgoldie Feb 2023 #7
I agree with Tish, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #10
To be more clear, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #9
When Bragg halted the donald criminal investigation his office returned documents to witnesses. AnotherMother4Peace Feb 2023 #11
I vaguely remember that.when this occurred. msfiddlestix Feb 2023 #14
That's why some people believe someone pressured Bragg to drop the case. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #17
While I share your frustration, Katyal has said more than once that he does not Gaugamela Feb 2023 #12
Yeah, you are talking about federal indictments, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #22
Apples and oranges. Night and day. Mueller and Garland investigations. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #24
Bragg got cold feet, and I agree there's probably nothing coming out of Gaugamela Feb 2023 #28
I am in agreement with most of what Cohen has said, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #13
Bragg will be voted out of office if he doesn't indict Trump this time. He was not appointed. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #15
Pomerantz is on Ari Melber right now gab13by13 Feb 2023 #18
Remember, it's all opinions. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #21
It appears he is only reopening the Stormy Daniels part of the case, gab13by13 Feb 2023 #23
You may be right. Bragg has a lot of questions to answer. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #26
24 months and counting republianmushroom Feb 2023 #29

MANative

(4,112 posts)
1. I recently started re-learning chess
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 06:17 PM
Feb 2023

(Decades since I played as a teen) and Bragg and his ilk remind me of the lesser pieces, doing everything they can to defend the King (tRump) but ultimately just running around the board. The Queen(s) however, are playing aggressively. I'm increasingly hopeful that one of them will land a checkmate in fairly short order.

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
3. So you're saying Katyal said Trump won't be indicted?
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 06:23 PM
Feb 2023

Did he say Michael Cohen is selling a book or is that what you are claiming?

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
6. I watched it and your post is a little misleading.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 06:39 PM
Feb 2023

Cohen believes Bragg is serious this time in indicting Trump. He was defending Bragg. Katyal was expressing his opinion on many questions we all have of why Bragg stopped the investigation the way he did. Katyal did not have a problem with Bragg delaying the investigation when he took office, taking more time to investigate. He had a problem with the way Bragg did it.

Like myself and others, Cohen and Katyal smell corruption when it come to SNDY.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
16. fff is misremembering,
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:19 PM
Feb 2023

Katyal flat out said that he could understand if Bragg said, he needed more time to make his decision, Katyal said that is not what Bragg did. Bragg shut down the prosecution, Bragg's actions caused 2 highly competent prosecutors, Pomerantz and Dunne to resign, in protest. It so upset Pomerantz that he felt the need to write a book about it.

fff fails to mention that Alvin Bragg is carrying out a large promotional campaign to stop the bleeding from his bucking Pomerantz and Dunne. Alvin Bragg owes his job to the voters, he needs to be reelected,

Katyal was not happy the way that Bragg put a cork in the prosecution.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
20. No I am not misremembering.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:33 PM
Feb 2023

Katyal was offering his opinion, That is all, so was Cohen. They did not agree about Bragg. Cohen knows more about the investigation than Katyal. Like everyone else, Katyal does not understand why Bragg stopped the investigation the way he did. It was strange. Katyal like everyone else is guessing why that happened. No one knows. Opinions, even educated ones are not facts.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
19. Not really. He is as confused as everyone else when it comes to what Bragg did.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:27 PM
Feb 2023

He was giving his educated opinions. He is not sure Bragg is serious this time because of what happened the first time. Cohen believes Bragg will indict this time. Cohen knows more about the case than Katyal. No one knows for sure.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
7. Well Tish James disagrees with you about Michael Cohen
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 06:45 PM
Feb 2023

She said his hours of testimony were invaluable in bringing the NY AG case against Trump Org.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
10. I agree with Tish,
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 06:55 PM
Feb 2023

My comment about Cohen was only related to his opinion that Bragg is going to pull the trigger.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
9. To be more clear,
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 06:53 PM
Feb 2023

Cohen has been providing evidence against Trump and I applaud him for it. My comment about Cohen writing a book was in relation to his belief that Bragg is going to indict Trump.

AnotherMother4Peace

(4,246 posts)
11. When Bragg halted the donald criminal investigation his office returned documents to witnesses.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:04 PM
Feb 2023

I wonder how this would affect the reopening of the investigation. Would it compromise it?

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
14. I vaguely remember that.when this occurred.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:15 PM
Feb 2023

It almost feels like Bragg engaged in covering up and obstructing justice. Too bad charges like that can't be brought against Bragg.

But yeah, justice wasn't just delayed. it was outright denied.

.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
17. That's why some people believe someone pressured Bragg to drop the case.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:21 PM
Feb 2023

AG Barr, Trump, Rudy, all have big time connections in NY. Rudy led SNDY and was Mayor for many years.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
12. While I share your frustration, Katyal has said more than once that he does not
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:10 PM
Feb 2023

expect indictments before April. Katyal was basing this timeline on the appointment of Smith and the release of information from the J6 committee. As I recall, he did say that indictments for the stolen documents could possibly come sooner.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
22. Yeah, you are talking about federal indictments,
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:58 PM
Feb 2023

Pomerantz was on the state case for over a year digging up evidence.

Mueller took 22 months to get indictments or guilty pleas from 34 people, many were from Trump's inner circle. He also teed up "individual one" which Garland passed on.

By this April Garland will have been on the job for 26 months with zero indictments of Trump or his inner circle.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
24. Apples and oranges. Night and day. Mueller and Garland investigations.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 08:09 PM
Feb 2023

They are not the same. Not even close. Individual one case was an SNDY case. They do not need Garlands permission to reopen their own case. Garland is not stopping them.

Gaugamela

(2,496 posts)
28. Bragg got cold feet, and I agree there's probably nothing coming out of
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 08:38 PM
Feb 2023

his office. Pomerantz, his partner, and Vance all wanted to prosecute, but Bragg backed out.

Fani Willis may bring indictments this month, and I expect Garland will respect Jack Smith’s judgment. The DOJ hired extra prosecutors with RICO expertise. Katyal’s timeline, based on his experience, was April. We don’t know the future, and baseless predictions usually fail.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
13. I am in agreement with most of what Cohen has said,
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:10 PM
Feb 2023

Cohen said it appears that no one is investigating the corruption that occurred at DOJ, at SDNY. Cohen wants to know why DOJ didn't take on the Trump case. Cohen wants to know why the IRS isn't investigating Trump. Cohen wants to know why the IRS Inspector general is not investigating.

I will be shocked if Alvin Bragg indicts Trump, that is the only thing that Cohen and I disagree with, and my reasoning is that Cohen is selling a book.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
15. Bragg will be voted out of office if he doesn't indict Trump this time. He was not appointed.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:18 PM
Feb 2023

He was elected. Think about that for a minute.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
18. Pomerantz is on Ari Melber right now
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:26 PM
Feb 2023

talking about how he had an indictable case that was shut down by Bragg.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
21. Remember, it's all opinions.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 07:42 PM
Feb 2023

Cohen gave his opinion today about why Bragg shut down the investigation. He was defending him. Cohen knows a lot about the investigation. I have watched multiple interviews with Pomerantz. He is stating his opinions. He wanted to indict, Bragg did not and no one knows why yet.

What we do know is Bragg just reopened the case and has a grand jury in place. That's important, good news. No one knows why he is reopening the case now. Once again, people are offering their opinions as to why.

gab13by13

(21,348 posts)
23. It appears he is only reopening the Stormy Daniels part of the case,
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 08:00 PM
Feb 2023

a crime, but not as serious as the other financial crimes.

 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
26. You may be right. Bragg has a lot of questions to answer.
Wed Feb 8, 2023, 08:19 PM
Feb 2023

Like, did he reopen the case because he found new evidence. That would explain a lot of things. That was brought up on Wallaces show.

Did he find new evidence when it comes to financial crimes? We are going to get answers to these questions now that a grand jury in place.

Bragg has covered himself with his explanation why he ended the investigation in a very bizarre way. He said he wasn't ready yet, needed more time. There is no way to prove he is lying. People don't believe him because of the strange way he handled things at first.

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