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(94,667 posts)
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 08:04 PM Feb 2023

Pence has been subpoenaed by Jack Smith

Amee Vanderpool @girlsreallyrule 1m
Former Vice President Mike Pence has been subpoenaed by the special counsel overseeing probes into former President Donald Trump following months of negotiations between federal prosecutors and Pence's legal team.


It follows months of negotiations between prosecutors and Pence's legal team.

Former Vice President Mike Pence has been subpoenaed by the special counsel overseeing probes into former President Donald Trump, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

It's not immediately clear what information the subpoena from special counsel Jack Smith is seeking, but it follows months of negotiations between federal prosecutors and Pence's legal team.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/mike-pence-subpoenaed-special-counsel-overseeing-trump-probes/story?id=97018886
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Pence has been subpoenaed by Jack Smith (Original Post) bigtree Feb 2023 OP
I think Pence needed the subpeona for political cover. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2023 #1
Good point. Maybe Pence wants to hurt Trump' s chances. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #3
Is it possible claudette Feb 2023 #2
What Do You Negotiate When Subpoenaed?.... global1 Feb 2023 #4
My thoughts too claudette Feb 2023 #5
what's he hiding? bigtree Feb 2023 #6
Maybe he and lawyers wanted to get an idea of what limits he might set, where he might ancianita Feb 2023 #8
Yep. ancianita Feb 2023 #7

OAITW r.2.0

(32,599 posts)
1. I think Pence needed the subpeona for political cover.
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 08:09 PM
Feb 2023

Another Profile in Courage guy. But why not? He's running in 2024, so maybe he wants to help sideline Donald...but still wants to tell his Republican voters that he had no choice,

Irish_Dem

(82,316 posts)
3. Good point. Maybe Pence wants to hurt Trump' s chances.
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 08:15 PM
Feb 2023

The subpoena makes it look like he has no choice but to sing.

global1

(26,507 posts)
4. What Do You Negotiate When Subpoenaed?....
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 08:17 PM
Feb 2023

What could Pence's lawyers negotiate about?

The subject area they are investigating? The type of questions they could ask Pence?

I didn't think the person subpoenaed could negotiate terms of the subpoena.

Any thoughts?

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
5. My thoughts too
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 08:26 PM
Feb 2023

But I don't have an answer. Just wondered why he wasn't even asked to testify under oath at the Jan. 6 Congressiinal hearing.

bigtree

(94,667 posts)
6. what's he hiding?
Thu Feb 9, 2023, 08:33 PM
Feb 2023

...what is Pence refusing to do or tell them that DOJ has to subpoena him about?

ancianita

(43,348 posts)
8. Maybe he and lawyers wanted to get an idea of what limits he might set, where he might
Fri Feb 10, 2023, 04:01 PM
Feb 2023

likely have to confirm or deny previous testimony by his counsel and staff, and what the DOJ would do about his failure to confirm anything they already had evidence and testimony of.

Without his lawyers, he might still be going in with a pretty good idea of what the grand jury will ask, imo.

ancianita

(43,348 posts)
7. Yep.
Fri Feb 10, 2023, 03:55 PM
Feb 2023

Not immediately clear, but with some digging we find out that they can ask Pence about

-- Eastman's pressures on him on days right before Jan 6
-- Trump's phone calls to him before Jan 6
-- what did he repeatedly call Trump about on Jan 6
-- what did Pence know that caused him to refuse to get into the limo with Secret Service on Jan 6
-- what communications did he have with the WH on Jan 6
-- who texted and/or called him from Nov 2020 to Jan 6 2021

There are two criminal grand juries working with Special Counsel right now. He'll be appearing before the one that handles the Jan 6 insurrection; fake electors scheme; Trump intimidation of state leaders in GA; all direct comms with everyone of Trump's circle, and direct witness to all of what Trump said and did, day by day, from before Nov 2020 through Jan 6 2021. He'll be in there for a long while, imo.

He'll provide more connections and give confirmation and credence to all previous inner circle grand jury testimony.

He's a conservative christian so he'll have to swear to tell the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth without Mother present.

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