Jack Smith Isn't At The End Of His Investigations

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I read here, about "numerous" TV prosecutors claiming that the Trump prosecution is nearing the end, not so fast, so says Andrew Weissmann. I will name names. Weissmann said that Jack Smith wants to lock down Mike Pence's testimony in stone via the grand jury.

Locking down Pence lets Smith know how he will testify at a trial.

Also, the discussion about executive privilege was unanimous that Pence/Trump claiming it would lose in court and it most likely will be resolved in just a matter of months.

Watch Deadline Whitehouse if you want to know the real deal.

IMO Pence's testimony could have been locked down a year and a half ago.

Hey, I hear we have plenty of time, at least we know that Jack Smith is going after Trump.

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1. First Trump

Then traitors in Congress
Then any justices who were going to green light the coup (I suppose there were some).
Then the donors.

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2. If Smith wants Pence's testimony, it will take 2 cases going

up the ladder to the SCOTUS: Pence's and Trump's. Both will claim Executive Privilege.

Such cases could well take us past the 2024 election before being ruled on, and it won't necessarily be in the favor of testimony.

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4. SCOTUS has already ruled on Trump's EP privilege claims

In addition, Last fall, Pence’s COS Marc Short got a quick ruling on EP, as did Trump’s WH counsels, before testifying to the grand jury.

They didn’t appeal the lower court ruling, they just used it to support their compliance with their subpoenas.

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6. The Supreme Court will not be involved in this ruling.

Supposedly, unless it wants to overturn the Nixon decision.

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3. Weissman is pathetic on this

....downplayed the significance of Pence's subpoena.

Downplayed the indication that the Smith/Garland probe is circling around Trump.

It's obvious that Weissman, who just months ago was insisting there wasn't an investigation into the Trump WH at all by Garland, is now forced to backtrack and cover with this ridiculous take that subpoenaing Pence isn't on the road to closing in on Trump.

Nothing supports his absurd claims that DOJ could have had Pence's testimony a year ago, or that they needed to make that move before now.

It's nauseating listening to him second guess the DOJ, the main effect of his whinging to downplay the investigation and make it appear that nothing is happening, or that maybe he could handle the investigation better. What a inflated sense he has, of himself.

Weissman should be reminded that the previous Trump probe he was involved in had 10 mos. of investigation and then the appointment of Mueller, and that puts us at about April, the same time Manafort and Gates were indicted (prosecuted by Weissmann) for this SC to bring charges in the SAME time period.

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7. Garland isn't investigating, Smith is.

We don't know what Garland investigated because DOJ didn't leak. We only know now because, I guess, Jack Smith leaks.

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10. meaningless to what I wrote. Weissman is ass-covering wrong. Again.

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
Because most of the other facts can be established by other witnesses, such as the Pence staffers who testified before the January 6th Committee, I expect Pence is one of the *last* witnesses Smith would call if he was building a case around the electoral vote certification.

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti
For that reason, this suggests that Smith’s January 6th investigation is far along. It also suggests that he is pursuing that aspect of his investigation aggressively—he isn’t focusing largely on the Mar-a-Lago documents matter and putting January 6th on the back burner.

Renato Mariotti @renato_mariotti 22h
It’s more likely Smith is building a case against Trump. That doesn’t mean Trump will be charged, but today’s news should greatly concern Trump’s team.

We now know Smith is pushing hard to investigate January 6th, and it looks like he’s developing a case against Trump.

Joyce Alene @JoyceWhiteVance
Pence has always been the essential witness when it comes to establishing whether or not Trump's involvement in the pressure campaign for the VP to interfere with the election result was criminal. Smith has to get his testimony before he can make a prosecutive decision.

Joyce Alene @JoyceWhiteVance
But, pence does feel like a late in the game witness. Someone you want to talk to you after you have all of the other testimony, and when you're just about ready to make a decision.

Tristan Snell @TristanSnell
BREAKING -- Mike Pence subpoenaed by DOJ Special Counsel Jack Smith.
Major step. The investigation of Trump's January 6 Conspiracy is now entering its final phase.

Tristan Snell @TristanSnell 22h
If Smith and DOJ then have testimony and documents from Mark Meadows and Mike Pence -- two of the people who were the closest to the center of the events from November 3, 2020 to January 6, 2021 -- then the stage is set for subpoenaning Trump, or just indicting him.

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11. Jack Smith did not leak the subpoena. No evidence of that, so why spread that here?

...most likely the leak came from the Pence side since he's not obligated to keep it secret like the SC.

What an absurd thing to sling around about the SC.

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5. Harry Litman Said That If Pence And/Or Teflon Man Claim Privilege, It Will Delay Things For 8 Months

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8. Weissmann and Joyce Vance refuted that today,

saying that most likely this has been adjudicated with Pence's top aides who have testified, and having Pence testify is a similar situation. Joyce Vance said it could take a few months.

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9. Vance saying so doesn't mean that's what will happen.

8 months is a few months.