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packman

(16,296 posts)
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:10 PM Feb 2023

GAWD DAMN -This Florida shit is going too far -

Roberto Clemente book removed from Florida public schools pending review over discrimination references





LatinoJustice PRLDEF, a Latino civil rights organization based in New York, blasted the school district in Duval for removing the Clemente book over its "references to racism and discrimination."

“Learning about Clemente’s achievements, his pride in his Afro-Boricua identity and his struggles with racism and discrimination would provide needed insight on historical conditions in the U.S., and inspiration for the majority Black and Latino student population in Duval County schools," Lourdes Rosado, president and general counsel at LatinoJustice PRLDEF, said in a statement.

"We urge the school district to restore this book and others that shine a light on the experiences of exemplary people in our country who have contributed greatly to our society and culture," Rosado said. "Our children deserve to understand the full scope of our society’s flaws and strengths.”

Clemente died in 1972, when his plane crashed off the coast of Puerto Rico as he was delivering relief supplies to earthquake victims in Nicaragua. He was 38

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/roberto-clemente-book-removed-florida-014504078.html

I admit I'm not a baseball or sport fan, but Roberto is/was my first hero figure -

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GAWD DAMN -This Florida shit is going too far - (Original Post) packman Feb 2023 OP
Does the majority support fascism in Florida? Mysterian Feb 2023 #1
Apparently so. The majority of voters wanted to put the evil dick-tator back into office Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #7
Not so. I'm blue in this autocratic state, but there is a growing number of registered youth that ancianita Feb 2023 #10
Going to take decades madville Feb 2023 #34
Holy cow, that's awful! ShazzieB Feb 2023 #72
Still don't get how senior citizens in that state support idiots trying to make their lives more SouthernDem4ever Feb 2023 #80
The Republican retirees moving into the state far outnumber the up and coming youth. Mariana Feb 2023 #45
I hear you. ancianita Feb 2023 #63
But they are kinda pissed that their tax money is going to subsidize costs of the developers. Mariana Feb 2023 #70
Yep, I get that. Local news present Villages' tax protests as influential, but they're really not. ancianita Feb 2023 #71
They are if they get TV news coverage. calimary Feb 2023 #84
In one sense. But local coverage makes it look as if they'll sway the heavyweights, when they won't, ancianita Feb 2023 #85
What I personally find most galling is the abnormally large effort calimary Feb 2023 #86
It is galling. But look, ancianita Feb 2023 #87
Unfortunately, I think that may be part of the problem. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #54
I agree with In It to Win It Feb 2023 #59
I have helped with GOTV efforts in Florida in the past... W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #61
I don't disagree In It to Win It Feb 2023 #67
Maybe it's because I never had any kids SouthernLiberal Feb 2023 #73
Don't know what having kids has to do with this, but ancianita Feb 2023 #79
It is! otchmoson Feb 2023 #12
I'm frustrated as hell. But I'm old and can only hope our young voters can see thru this crap. Not allegorical oracle Feb 2023 #17
It's very frustrating In It to Win It Feb 2023 #32
I can imagine...it's frustrating to watch from California BlueWaveNeverEnd Feb 2023 #41
It's what happens when many don't bother to show up and vote In It to Win It Feb 2023 #18
Also happens when voters are disenfranchised like this 👇🏽 live love laugh Feb 2023 #44
+1, people don't understand how effective these dictator measures are even when MAGA doubles uponit7771 Feb 2023 #78
Or the state has some the lowest voter access in the union? uponit7771 Feb 2023 #75
The majority apparently only listens to FAUX NEWS. The cancer that has metastasized throughout..... usaf-vet Feb 2023 #47
fox is a decoy. not only is talk radio a bigger problem, it would be easy to fix. fox is part of the certainot Feb 2023 #81
No arguments from me other than we only have a weather radio in the house and when in the car.... usaf-vet Feb 2023 #82
The majority of the voting age public that gets off their ass to actually vote, is fascist in FL. spudspud Feb 2023 #50
it is disgusting that ANYONE votes for someone as fascist as DeSantis Skittles Feb 2023 #58
No, but cause red states like Florida, Texas, Missouri are dictatorships little they can do about it uponit7771 Feb 2023 #74
I am lucky enough to have been raised in the Pittsburgh area during the Roberto years. blue neen Feb 2023 #2
Me too Mysterian Feb 2023 #21
Wow! That's got to be very special for you! blue neen Feb 2023 #28
I think the little pissant Cha Feb 2023 #3
Yes republianmushroom Feb 2023 #4
Why ban picture books? cbabe Feb 2023 #5
It's not just Clemente... regnaD kciN Feb 2023 #6
Roberto Clemente was a far better baseball player than DeSantis could ever have been. blue neen Feb 2023 #8
Forget better baseball player... caraher Feb 2023 #11
100% agreed. blue neen Feb 2023 #19
Well, he sure can "model" the hell out of those 'white boots', can't he??? DemocraticPatriot Feb 2023 #57
OMG! DeSatan looked ridiculous in those white boots! blue neen Feb 2023 #60
Those children will have sterile minds and know nothing but bigotry and hate bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #9
No, they'll go find those books and read them. The FL literacy rate will probably rise over ancianita Feb 2023 #14
Let's hope that the children are smarter than the politicians, and I think they are. erronis Feb 2023 #15
Oh, they are. ancianita Feb 2023 #62
Keep censoring latino history. Baitball Blogger Feb 2023 #13
I am too tired of this. NHvet Feb 2023 #16
That same Florida district banned hundreds of other books, including picture books pnwmom Feb 2023 #20
"Knots on a Counting Rope" is a book I read many times to my kids. It's very touching and panader0 Feb 2023 #68
I'm sure it was banned because of the non-white characters. pnwmom Feb 2023 #69
The kids will grow up thinking other races and genders weren't Ilsa Feb 2023 #22
Thanks for showing the beautiful book cover. yorkster Feb 2023 #23
I nominate this book to be the next one banned in Florida OnlinePoker Feb 2023 #24
God that picture on the cover. plimsoll Feb 2023 #26
Good ghod lambchopp59 Feb 2023 #33
Goes back at least to John C Calhoun NullTuples Feb 2023 #39
I'll wait for it to hit the "remainder" table. HubertHeaver Feb 2023 #48
May reason help us! burrowowl Feb 2023 #49
My recollection is that Florida was the most fervent state supporting the confederacy. plimsoll Feb 2023 #25
We fight for the uninformed middle. The Jungle 1 Feb 2023 #27
And yet people are still moving Tickle Feb 2023 #29
And it just keeps getting more red madville Feb 2023 #31
Is DeSantis thinking one down Tickle Feb 2023 #36
Apparently DeSantis isn't satisfied with pissing off the black people. patphil Feb 2023 #30
Enough! Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #35
Way past time for hitting the streets in Florida, en masse. (nt) Paladin Feb 2023 #37
The bad thing is Florida keeps voting for this shit too. Initech Feb 2023 #66
Not all of Florida. Not by a long shot. Paladin Feb 2023 #76
Yeah, can't have the kiddies finding out Grammaw and Grampaw were mean to baseball heroes Warpy Feb 2023 #38
Can't wait for Disney's cartoon version of Birth of a Nation maxrandb Feb 2023 #40
_ LudwigPastorius Feb 2023 #42
But it's disturbing ''White Comfort'', so it has to be pulled. n/t aggiesal Feb 2023 #43
White fragility on open display. Iggo Feb 2023 #46
It was probably the word "pride" on the cover that got it banned. Chainfire Feb 2023 #51
Sick people in Florida doing sick things sick people do. Scalded Nun Feb 2023 #52
They should pass out the number 3,000 in Florida. GreenWave Feb 2023 #53
They removed a Hank Aaron book too** NGeorgian Feb 2023 #55
Where is General Sherman when we need him ??? DemocraticPatriot Feb 2023 #56
Here's the list - 176 books are banned for school children in Duval County, FL FakeNoose Feb 2023 #64
Hey Ronnie, go shove your reviews up your ass! Initech Feb 2023 #65
DeSantis would love this book JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2023 #77
Oh FFS Jilly_in_VA Feb 2023 #83

Sky Jewels

(7,344 posts)
7. Apparently so. The majority of voters wanted to put the evil dick-tator back into office
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:50 PM
Feb 2023

for four more years. And hundreds of thousands couldn't be bothered to vote at all. Ho hum, who cares about freedom and democracy?

My sympathies to the blue voters of FL. It must be unimaginably frustrating...

ancianita

(36,963 posts)
10. Not so. I'm blue in this autocratic state, but there is a growing number of registered youth that
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:05 PM
Feb 2023

intend to turn this state around. Koch, whose network pays for DeSantis, can literally buy a majority in this state -- The Villages literally being DeSantistan central.

madville

(7,417 posts)
34. Going to take decades
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:51 PM
Feb 2023

To reverse what’s happened in the last two years, COVID made all the crazies move here to escape lock downs and mandates. New voter registrations the last two years have been 7-1 republican to Democrat, changed a 50/50 state to 60/40 almost overnight.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
80. Still don't get how senior citizens in that state support idiots trying to make their lives more
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 12:56 PM
Feb 2023

difficult. Seems like you throw a big party and everyone votes for you while your hands are in their pockets, wallets and purses.

Mariana

(14,879 posts)
45. The Republican retirees moving into the state far outnumber the up and coming youth.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:25 PM
Feb 2023

I was in The Villages a few weeks ago. They're building new homes by the thousands, and they're selling like hotcakes. The same is true in hundreds of other retirement communities in Florida. And De Santis doesn't need to buy those people's votes. They move there because they're loyal Republican voters, and they want to live among like-minded people.

ancianita

(36,963 posts)
63. I hear you.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:33 PM
Feb 2023

The Villages is everything you say. But they are kinda pissed that their tax money is going to subsidize costs of the developers, I've read. Anyway, I'm glad you saw it so I don't have to. It's bad enough knowing my town's got the "Manatee Patriots" check schools for Black literature.

Mariana

(14,879 posts)
70. But they are kinda pissed that their tax money is going to subsidize costs of the developers.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 10:48 PM
Feb 2023

Doesn't matter. They'll just blame the Democrats in the state for anything they don't like, and continue to vote Republican.

ancianita

(36,963 posts)
71. Yep, I get that. Local news present Villages' tax protests as influential, but they're really not.
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 05:56 AM
Feb 2023

ancianita

(36,963 posts)
85. In one sense. But local coverage makes it look as if they'll sway the heavyweights, when they won't,
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 03:27 PM
Feb 2023

but local news goes for the optics more than telling the whole story of developer/county back room deals. The money behind DeSantis is so big that for all we know, this protest might even be astroturfed. In my experience, property owners haven't had that much say over property taxes anyway. Sure, they get a tax hearing. Those rarely, if ever, keep taxes from being raised. Then they grumble and pay up. (At least that's been my experience living in an Illinois suburb, Chicago proper, and now here in FL.)

calimary

(82,442 posts)
86. What I personally find most galling is the abnormally large effort
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 04:12 PM
Feb 2023

to look even-handed, when it’s embarrassingly not so.

I think the radical “right” has raised such a stink about an imagined “liberal bias” for so doggone long that the networks and news executives across the country are extremely self-conscious about bias. They’re SO super-sensitive about being accused of being biased that I suspect they’re super-motivated to counteract that criticism.

So how to do that? The cheapest and easiest way is to just bring in more GOP and CONservative-slanted talking heads and the way news scripts are written and what they lead with and how many minutes are spent on it. Unfortunately, that just creates a different perception problem, one that the news chiefs haven’t really wrapped their brains around yet - if they even recognize it yet.

I think they’re just trying to mollify the complainers. It’s the whole squeaky wheel thing, unfortunately. Such a quick-‘n’-dirty “solution” just creates a whole new bias.

ancianita

(36,963 posts)
87. It is galling. But look,
Mon Feb 13, 2023, 12:27 AM
Feb 2023

forgive me if I'm talking about another group along with FL Villagers and local media. But red state media -- except for big city newspapers like the Miami Herald or Tampa Tribune -- are, more than not, paid to do perception management. Some editors want digging, but when drama sells without any full range of facts, local media often settle for that.

Not just Floridians, but Americans all over the country have to always remember WHY Republicans slant and lie and hype: because they KNOW that they cannot win.

Their corporate dark money overlords are scripting new scripts to change that reality, but until they do, the basic political messaging stays the same. Loyal base won't see anything they don't want to see. They want new scripts to be consistent with their old ones. They also still have guns.




W_HAMILTON

(8,037 posts)
54. Unfortunately, I think that may be part of the problem.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:47 PM
Feb 2023

To me, it seems the youth vote in Florida seems to be much further to the left than most Democrats, which puts them at odds not only with most of Florida right now, but Democrats as well. And it seems that -- unlike youth in other states -- they have simply decided to abstain from voting altogether because they inexplicably think that is the way to get what they want. I guess they are waiting on someone from the Green Party to come save them...

Again, this is just my opinion on the situation and I'm sure someone can find some random statistic that proves otherwise, but that's just been my high-level view of things. It just comes across as the youth vote in Florida wanting more extreme left candidates than Florida as a whole is willing to vote for, and when they don't get those types of candidates, they just sit out altogether and give fascist Republicans free reign.

It's another reason why I think Democrats as a whole should focus their efforts elsewhere in the nation until those on the left in Florida get their act together.

In It to Win It

(8,644 posts)
59. I agree with
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:30 PM
Feb 2023
To me, it seems the youth vote in Florida seems to be much further to the left than most Democrats, which puts them at odds not only with most of Florida right now, but Democrats as well.


I think Florida Democrats are largely moderate, so they tend to put up relatively moderate candidates (2022 being the classic example of choosing a moderate in Charlie Crist over Nikki Fried). However, the more liberal young voters aren't going to show up for Charlie Crist. That isn't good for Democratic candidates in Florida because there is no room to sacrifice voters. Every single part of the Democratic coalition is needed in Florida. Democratic turnout is not that reliable IMO so therefore you can't afford to turnoff moderates to target more liberal voters and you can't afford to turn off liberal voters to target moderate voters. You need them all to have a sliver of a chance at winning.

It's another reason why I think Democrats as a whole should focus their efforts elsewhere in the nation until those on the left in Florida get their act together.


I think this will never happen without national Democrats. The Florida Democratic Party needs help, outside help. "Outside help" doesn't mean just showing up during the election season, which is what usually happens, and then going back to ignoring Florida afterwards. I'm of the opinion that if we wait for that to happen, Democrats will never win Florida again. Florida Republicans have year-round engagement. Florida Republicans have the support of the larger and broader Republican party. Florida Republicans remain well-funded for longer periods of time while Florida Democrats don't. The broader Republican party remains engaged in Florida while the broader Democratic party doesn't (and hasn't) IMO.

Democrats try to gain a foothold (adding constitutional amendments to re-enfranchise former felons, to end gerymandering, etc), we still end up with the short end of the stick even when we're successful.

I'm not one that thinks Florida is lost for a generation. I think Florida can be winnable again. As I've stated in a previous post, Florida has over 14 million voters. Only about 53% of them actually turned out. Ron DeSantis won Miami-Dade County in 2022, one of the big blue counties Democrats rely on for votes, but there was only around 47% turnout. With over 14 million voters, Ron DeSantis won re-election with 4.6 million votes.

My point in saying all of this is that there is room for growth, but that's only if the party is willing to invest and put in the time. I can't be the only Democrat in Florida that feels like the broader Party has largely abandoned us.

W_HAMILTON

(8,037 posts)
61. I have helped with GOTV efforts in Florida in the past...
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:59 PM
Feb 2023

...and it just seemed wasted.

I don't think it's a problem that you can just throw money at to fix. You need serious reform, starting from the ground-up there. And investing national time and effort to do that seems counterproductive given that you resources are finite and could better be used on more Democratic friendly purple states (e.g., Georgia and Arizona) or even red states where such time and effort could actually pay off in the near term (e.g., North Carolina).

Florida just seems like a lost cause, in large part thanks to the voters -- maybe non-voters is more apt at this point... -- on the left. It's just not a good mix there right now. The sorts of issues that drive out a small -- but necessary -- segment of potential voters on the left there are the same issues that put off a majority of Florida voters, and it seems like young voters there don't understand this dynamic and just throw their hands up in disgust rather than work through it and realize the root word of what they call themselves (progressives) is PROGRESS.

I haven't seen this near hopeless mix of factors in any other presumed "gettable" state and until it is somehow resolved, I think it is a waste pouring resources into the state when those resources at the present time could better be spent on other states that are closer to being Democratic leaning or even future Democratic stalwarts than Florida is right now.

Unfortunately for a segment of young voters, sometimes it does take a serious wakeup call for them to abandon their idealism and realize that achieving the achievable is sometimes the best that can be done, e.g., look at how many thumbed their nose at Hillary in 2016 but then were jolted into action by the deplorableness of Trump -- enough to have swung the election in 2016, that's for sure.

In It to Win It

(8,644 posts)
67. I don't disagree
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:43 PM
Feb 2023
I don't think it's a problem that you can just throw money at to fix. You need serious reform, starting from the ground-up there. And investing national time and effort to do that seems counterproductive given that you resources are finite and could better be used on more Democratic friendly purple states (e.g., Georgia and Arizona) or even red states where such time and effort could actually pay off in the near term (e.g., North Carolina).

I think we're on the same page here, mostly. I agree that it's not a problem that only money will fix. I think that whatever it takes rehab the Florida Democratic Party, it will take outside help to accomplish. If the Florida Democratic Party is left to fend for themselves, we will remain massively disadvantaged as we are now because the opposing party has support in every way possible beyond financial support. They have money, infrastructure, and structure. The Republican Party in Florida didn't get those things all by themselves with no outside help. They had help over the years from the broader Republican Party.

Just as you listed Georgia, Arizona, and North Carolina, those states were (and are) being nurtured and developed by the Party. The Party is willing to invest the time, support and money to do that. We were not winning in those states for a long time until we were and that took being active and engaging in those states. That same long term view and commitment of Florida would be needed, rather than just thinking of the short term. I think the short term view is one of several reasons why the Florida Dems have crashed and burned. There's no thought to the long term. There's not been much thought to incremental improvement until we have the structure and support to put us over the top. More importantly, I think that the Florida Dems overall are not very united, and I think outside help is needed to corral the Party into a cohesive group. I don't think the Florida Dems is in a position currently to do that on it's own.

I think back to 2008 and 2012 with Pres. Obama winning Florida. I think about how that scared Republicans and made them realize it's where they should increase their efforts in engagement and voter drives over the years with every incremental increase in voter base until they surpassed Dems. They completely took advantage of the conventional wisdom that Democratic turnout is poor in midterm years, which is when the most important elections in Florida happen. Florida Dems did not prove that conventional wisdom wrong yet. I look at the map and I feel there's not much room for expansion unless the Party is willing to lay down roots in places they don't usually win, which now includes Florida.

Florida just seems like a lost cause, in large part thanks to the voters -- maybe non-voters is more apt at this point... -- on the left.

Tell me about it! I do GOTV drives, I donate, I do everything I could to support the party. However, I live in Florida. If I don't fight for it, who will?

I haven't seen this near hopeless mix of factors in any other presumed "gettable" state and until it is somehow resolved, I think it is a waste pouring resources into the state when those resources at the present time could better be spent on other states that are closer to being Democratic leaning or even future Democratic stalwarts than Florida is right now.

I understand the feeling but that's why my view is long term, rather than near term or right now. You have to start somewhere. I think Texas is in the same boat. There are people that are willing to show up and vote. I'm one to think that just because we didn't win in 2018 or 2020 or 2022 (in Texas or Florida), that doesn't mean you take your foot off the pedal. While I understand that it's difficult to keep people engaged, if you ever hope to win in those states, you have to keep nurturing the base you're building as just we did in Georgia or Arizona, and are doing in North Carolina.

Maybe that's just my hopeless optimism.

SouthernLiberal

(408 posts)
73. Maybe it's because I never had any kids
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 10:17 AM
Feb 2023

But I just don't get this 'old people are crazy Republicans'.

Me, I was a Republican as a young woman. Even ran for local office once. Didn't win.

So, the older I get, the further left I get. I have voted for Democrats only since the late 1980's. Now I will turn 69 next month, and I would call myself a socialist.

If the government is not helping the people, what is the point of having a government? We spend so much money on the military, and I can't remember single time in my life when I saw our military actually used to protect America.

ancianita

(36,963 posts)
79. Don't know what having kids has to do with this, but
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 11:07 AM
Feb 2023

I've never said anything to the effect of old people being crazy Republicans. Everyone I know who's old and Left have stayed that way.

I know quite a few old folks down here who are all Democrats. St. Petersburg has one of the highest elderly populations in the state, and it votes consistently blue, as do larger FL East coast towns. I don't even know where the 7:1 party differential that was mentioned in the thread comes from, but FL's party voting difference got close by 2000, with the Bush v Gore decision (Florida's even had Democratic governors), and though it seems that Repubs outnumber Democrats, I highly doubt the registration ratio is 7:1.

When things work the way they're supposed to, they fade into the background. Same with government. But they're not hard to see when one actually looks. Many only see "government" or "military" when they're not working.
One example is how everybody paid attention to Wm Barr and Trump's DOJ. But many of the same people now think the DOJ is 'doing nothing' of substance around the Jan 6 seditious insurrection, or has turned political. Another example is the kind of national civics lesson that went on during Trump's dysfunctional four years, resulting in record breaking voter turnout in 2020, greater than the voter blue wave of 2018. So, I'd say be glad you've never seen the "military actually used to protect America."

Ending both wouldn't feel sudden. But in a short period of time, you would suffer without them. Doing away with something because you don't see it working is kinda like having to learn the hard way, imo.



otchmoson

(68 posts)
12. It is!
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:07 PM
Feb 2023

It appears the only way to get these bastards' attention is to hit them in the pocketbook. Come on, MLB--step up to the plate. Boycott Florida spring training!

allegorical oracle

(2,410 posts)
17. I'm frustrated as hell. But I'm old and can only hope our young voters can see thru this crap. Not
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:16 PM
Feb 2023

always a fan of WDWorld, but DeSatan's overtaking of the Reedy Creek organization and replacing it with his own board of directors smells like something a fascist would do.

In It to Win It

(8,644 posts)
32. It's very frustrating
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:48 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:06 PM - Edit history (1)

I live in the bluest county in the state. Generally, there’s about a 2-to-1 Democratic advantage in my city and county. You can’t get elected locally being a Republican where I am.

It’s frustrating to watch rest of the state go in the opposite direction.

It’s frustrating to watch a winnable state for Democrats slide backwards election after election.

It’s frustrating watching Democrats lose midterm after midterm in Florida (when the statewide races happen GOV, AG, etc).

It’s frustrating to watch Democratic turnout go from 4 million in 2018 to 3.2 million in 2022.

It’s frustrating to watch a state with 14 million voters and only half of them actually show up to vote. It’s frustrating that no one is trying to turn out these gettable voters.

The entire situation is frustrating.

uponit7771

(90,475 posts)
78. +1, people don't understand how effective these dictator measures are even when MAGA doubles
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 10:47 AM
Feb 2023

... down on them.

usaf-vet

(6,489 posts)
47. The majority apparently only listens to FAUX NEWS. The cancer that has metastasized throughout.....
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:26 PM
Feb 2023

..... the country. Eliminate it, and the country might survive.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
81. fox is a decoy. not only is talk radio a bigger problem, it would be easy to fix. fox is part of the
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 12:58 PM
Feb 2023

free speech spectrum - there are easy free political alternatives in most places.

talk radio has a larger audience, a lot of it captive, with much less scrutiny, and it is nationally AND locally coordinated. it does the unchallenged groundwork repetition for fox. without rw radio fox is nothing

and it would be easy to destroy/democratize the radio monopoly.

as soon as the dem party or an allied or media org starts using AI to digitize and analyze it the radio ad industry will have to break up the monopoly or lose tooo many advertisers who wouldn't want to be associated with what will be exposed as a massive repeated for lies and bullshit going back 35 years, with russian influence for more that a decade.

radio will also be very vulnerable when progressives start complaining/protesting all the universities that support rw radio by broadcasting sports on 100s of stations - like the 87 supporting 260 ex limbaugh stations

that includes 5 fla unis letting desantis piggyback their athletes on 20 ex limbaugh stations - UF on 10! one of the worst offenders

getting those schools off those stations, just getting attention to it will spell the end of desantis - AI could be used to count the thousands of times those stations repeated "woke" "CRT", attacked kneeling athletes, and called BLM a terrorist org etc

usaf-vet

(6,489 posts)
82. No arguments from me other than we only have a weather radio in the house and when in the car....
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 01:07 PM
Feb 2023

... we talk and or listen to the music of our choice or Audible Books on our phones.

spudspud

(516 posts)
50. The majority of the voting age public that gets off their ass to actually vote, is fascist in FL.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:32 PM
Feb 2023

So, yes. This place has been going downhill for years now.

Skittles

(154,410 posts)
58. it is disgusting that ANYONE votes for someone as fascist as DeSantis
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:29 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Sat Feb 11, 2023, 10:28 PM - Edit history (1)

but a LOT of repuke voters seem to APPROVE OF FASCISM

uponit7771

(90,475 posts)
74. No, but cause red states like Florida, Texas, Missouri are dictatorships little they can do about it
Sun Feb 12, 2023, 10:44 AM
Feb 2023

blue neen

(12,369 posts)
2. I am lucky enough to have been raised in the Pittsburgh area during the Roberto years.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:17 PM
Feb 2023

The man is a hero in so many ways, so VERY VERY unlike Ron DeathSentence.

Mysterian

(4,682 posts)
21. Me too
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:23 PM
Feb 2023

Roberto transcended baseball and showed us what a magnificent, human role model looks like. My entire life I have looked at Roberto as a role model. I have his picture on my wall here.

I was at the game against the Mets when The Great Roberto got #3,000.

blue neen

(12,369 posts)
28. Wow! That's got to be very special for you!
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:37 PM
Feb 2023

No one ever could have predicted that #3000 would be his final hit. I'll never forget New Year's Eve 1972.

Cha

(300,180 posts)
3. I think the little pissant
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:28 PM
Feb 2023

deSadist is Jealous of anyone who has accomplished greatness and is admired by millions. And, hard working people in general who believe in our Democracy

What's pissant done? Nothing but throw his DICtator nightmare Fascist shit around Florida. .

cbabe

(3,731 posts)
5. Why ban picture books?
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:38 PM
Feb 2023

This morning’s post. As good an explanation as I’ve heard so far.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17638202

Why ban picture books? They are 'seeds' leading to curiosity and exploration later in life. Must nip that bud early.

From discussion heard on npr (can’t remember the show).

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Roberto-Clemente


A close friend of Clemente’s, Spanish-language sportscaster Luis Mayoral, added, “Roberto Clemente was to Latinos what Jackie Robinson was to Black baseball players. He spoke up for Latinos; he was the first one to speak out.”



https://www.11alive.com/article/sports/mlb/atlanta-braves/hank-aaron-legacy-civil-rights/85-bc234e12-d07f-4a4d-928e-c4224ca28d48

Hank Aaron's legacy beyond baseball: The role he played in civil rights

Off the baseball diamond, Hank Aaron is viewed as as a trailblazer in civil rights.



https://www.history.com › news › before-the-bus-rosa-parks-was-a-sexual-assault-investigator

Before the Bus, Rosa Parks Was a Sexual Assault Investigator

That incident was on her mind when she traveled to Abbeville, Alabama, in the autumn of 1944 to deal with a disturbing case chronicled in the new movie The Rape of Recy Taylor. It was the evening...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rosa-parks-what-to-know-about-the-lifelong-activist-and-civil-rights-icon/ar-AA174dWM

Her advocacy work also extended beyond Detroit. When young people in the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee helped build an independent Black political party with local residents in Lowndes County, AL, Parks journeyed down to support them. She visited the Black Panther school in Oakland, California; attended the 1968 Black Power convention in Philadelphia; helped organize many prisoner defense committees (including for Angela Davis, Joan Little, and Gary Tyler); fought for reparations; and opposed the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.

regnaD kciN

(26,174 posts)
6. It's not just Clemente...
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:48 PM
Feb 2023

If you look at the list of removed books, it includes a multitude of sports stars and other heroes of popular culture, all of whom are BIPOC. The message seems to be that only white people are to be held up as role models.

blue neen

(12,369 posts)
8. Roberto Clemente was a far better baseball player than DeSantis could ever have been.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 04:55 PM
Feb 2023

I'm sure that bugs the living crap out of Ronnie DeathSentence. He's got the mistaken idea that he is better than everyone else.

caraher

(6,287 posts)
11. Forget better baseball player...
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:06 PM
Feb 2023

How about better human being? DeSantis is an utter failure like that while Clemente was so much more than just a great ballplayer

DemocraticPatriot

(5,195 posts)
57. Well, he sure can "model" the hell out of those 'white boots', can't he???
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:21 PM
Feb 2023

LMAO


However, I think the wearing of the white boots was a "dog whistle"!

(that is the only barely logical explanation I can find for it)

blue neen

(12,369 posts)
60. OMG! DeSatan looked ridiculous in those white boots!
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:32 PM
Feb 2023

He and his lovely wife (who does all his planning for him) sure miscalculated on that one!

bucolic_frolic

(44,534 posts)
9. Those children will have sterile minds and know nothing but bigotry and hate
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:03 PM
Feb 2023

Oh, wait. That's the whole idea.

ancianita

(36,963 posts)
14. No, they'll go find those books and read them. The FL literacy rate will probably rise over
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:08 PM
Feb 2023

Koch-DeSantis cancel culture. Both of them went to woke universities, woke enough to provide them with the clever-by-half tools they use to game democracy.

erronis

(15,973 posts)
15. Let's hope that the children are smarter than the politicians, and I think they are.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:11 PM
Feb 2023

This will backfire on the RW/intolerants in a way that will last for decades. Whole voting cycles - not just today's sound bites.

NHvet

(244 posts)
16. I am too tired of this.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:14 PM
Feb 2023

They are trying to white wash history, nothing else. White, Christain history and nothing else. I have a grandson in elementary school in Fl. We worry for his future.

pnwmom

(109,170 posts)
20. That same Florida district banned hundreds of other books, including picture books
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:23 PM
Feb 2023

like Grace Lin's "Dim Sun for Everyone" and "Knots on a Counting Rope" by Bill Martin Jr., John Archambault.

The district is full of whack-jobs.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
68. "Knots on a Counting Rope" is a book I read many times to my kids. It's very touching and
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:52 PM
Feb 2023

the story could be about an old white man talking to his grandson instead of an American Indian.

pnwmom

(109,170 posts)
69. I'm sure it was banned because of the non-white characters.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 09:39 PM
Feb 2023

I'd say about 2/3 of the books had characters or authors who were non-white or Hispanic. They also banned Heather has Two Mommies, and other books with LGBT characters or themes.

Ilsa

(61,788 posts)
22. The kids will grow up thinking other races and genders weren't
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:25 PM
Feb 2023

good enough for certain sports, coaching, leadership, being a chef, etc. because no one told them about the discrimination in all fields. I loved reading biographies of sports and historical figures when I was a child. Those books made me feel like I could do anything.

Shame on DeSatan.

yorkster

(1,819 posts)
23. Thanks for showing the beautiful book cover.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:29 PM
Feb 2023

I am having trouble keeping track of just how widespread all of this is.

Seems like this banning of books, of crt, this anti-woke crap is all over the place in ways large and small. It feels out of control.
It's like we need a central clearing house just to keep up.
It ain't just Florida, sad to say...

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
39. Goes back at least to John C Calhoun
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:13 PM
Feb 2023

He wrote about how "Liberty" actually meant the god given right of white wealthy men to do as they please, even (especially?) to the detriment of everyone else. This was rediscovered, researched and written about by James M Buchanan in the 1980's, and his views were in turn picked up and embraced by 21st century american Republicans, notably the Koch Brothers and Federalist Society.

plimsoll

(1,684 posts)
25. My recollection is that Florida was the most fervent state supporting the confederacy.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:35 PM
Feb 2023

While small in population it had a disproportionate percentage of volunteers. My guess is that the core of that animus remains. Adding to that they are a "retirement" state, so you have a big population of people whose interests really are not in making the state better.

I suspect the situation will only get worse. A polarization of migration patterns to Florida. Exodus of young people with marketable talents. Who knows.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
27. We fight for the uninformed middle.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:36 PM
Feb 2023

I do not think burning books will sell with the middle. I really believe this dishonest culture war is going to backfire.
Just look how badly the right underestimated the outrage over abortion.
Christianity is crashing in America. That is just a fact. The uninformed middle we fight over is not going to church.
We must keep the pressure on and increase the out rage over burning books to be sure the middle hears us.

madville

(7,417 posts)
31. And it just keeps getting more red
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:47 PM
Feb 2023

Between 2020-2022 republicans out registered Democrats 7-1 on new voter registrations. We were purple and then COVID made them all move here because we didn’t lock down. It’s going to take decades to reverse.

patphil

(6,448 posts)
30. Apparently DeSantis isn't satisfied with pissing off the black people.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:47 PM
Feb 2023

Now he's going after one of the most famous Latino baseball players of all time.
That's not going to sit well with the Cuban Americans. Their culture is heavily into baseball.

That guy's a true dildo (mindless f**ker).

Joinfortmill

(15,099 posts)
35. Enough!
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 05:58 PM
Feb 2023

I love FL. I lived there for 5 years. Would love to go back but I never will as long as Republicans run the place. At the rate they're going no decent person will want to live there, not to mention it will likely be uninhabitable in 10 years.

Initech

(100,540 posts)
66. The bad thing is Florida keeps voting for this shit too.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:42 PM
Feb 2023

They are digging their own hole here, and happily taking it because Fox News owns that state. Like they own Texas and Georgia.

Warpy

(112,093 posts)
38. Yeah, can't have the kiddies finding out Grammaw and Grampaw were mean to baseball heroes
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:10 PM
Feb 2023

if their skin was dark. That just wouldn't do! They might start hating their own families and feel bad about themselves!

Stupid asses don't realize children take this in and don't analyze it like that, they're children, dammit. They think differently.

They might start to think about it later when they're adults, but Grammaw and Grampaw will be gone by then.

If you don't think this is true, read "Huckleberry Finn" again, as an adult. It's a very different book from the adventure story you read as a child.

maxrandb

(15,623 posts)
40. Can't wait for Disney's cartoon version of Birth of a Nation
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:14 PM
Feb 2023

They seem to be cool with being taken over by a fascist, since their CEO just caved and said; "they're cool"

Nothing will change. The racism, fascism, misogyny, hatred and white supremacy...NONE OF IT...will change, unless and until we make racism, fascism, misogyny, hatred and white supremacy unprofitable to the businesses, corporations and individuals that fund and enable it

Iggo

(47,797 posts)
46. White fragility on open display.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:26 PM
Feb 2023

When I was a kid in the 60s, white racists were plain mean. Now they’re fucking crybabies. Sad.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
51. It was probably the word "pride" on the cover that got it banned.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:38 PM
Feb 2023

You can't get more anti-American than that!

GreenWave

(7,594 posts)
53. They should pass out the number 3,000 in Florida.
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 06:46 PM
Feb 2023

Clemente had exactly 3,000 hits and a way to show solidarity against the forces of evil.

Clemente went to save lives losing his life.
DeSantis received donations from a Covid treatment mogul and put millions of lives at risk. DOJ if you are reading (and same thing in Texas), go get 'em!

DemocraticPatriot

(5,195 posts)
56. Where is General Sherman when we need him ???
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 07:14 PM
Feb 2023

Perhaps he should have turned south, instead of north, from Savannah....


FakeNoose

(33,843 posts)
64. Here's the list - 176 books are banned for school children in Duval County, FL
Sat Feb 11, 2023, 08:36 PM
Feb 2023
https://pen.org/banned-books-florida/

They claim the books are "under review" whatever that means, but meanwhile the books have been removed from every school library in the county.

DeSantis is already working on getting the other counties in line on the same book ban.

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