VP Harris

[riversedge]

Insert to say this was CNN.


Saying the almost certain Biden announcement--the GOP will claim--If you vote for Biden you get Harris [discussing his AGE again
It is a long segment just going and on and on........damn



Captions running as I listen.


AOC tiptoes around Biden re-eelection questions
NYT Harrris struggles to define herself

Democrat doubts about Harris put Party's future in question
david chalian is one of the quests

Are Democrats losing confidence in VP Kamala Harris?

[padah513]

1. I haven't heard that anywhere but here

Then again I really haven't given a lot of thought to the 2024 election yet

[RationalD]

2. The only problem I have with her

Is her laugh but the rest of this just right wing reactionary click bait.

[FalloutShelter]

3. Absolutely!

[padah513]

4. People said the same thing about Hillary Clinton and her laugh

But you're right. The rest of this is just right wing reactionary click bait.

[betsuni]

5. What do you mean, "her laugh"?

As if I'll ever get an answer. Assume it's fake edited videos.

[Polybius]

18. No, they are real

I've seen them live, it's just a habit though. Sometimes she just laughs when in interviewer gives a tough question. Not a huge deal.

[Walleye]

6. We don't know what trumps laugh sounds like because he has no sense of humor

Ever heard Tucker Carlson laugh? 12-year-old girl giggle. And he complains about the vice president laughing. I’m sorry but it’s sexist

[mercuryblues]

22. The old "tone" argument.

If she would just laugh in a way that pleases me, I could really support her.

[DestinyIsles]

7. By the way most of this "criticisms" are coming from never Trump Republicans

They are just bitter she was chosen as VP instead of their preferred candidate.

[Bettie]

12. Which did they want?

Just curious....I do not recall.

You're probably right, in any case.

[bullimiami]

8. Why the hell is Harris constantly dismissed and minimalised? It's offensive.

[niyad]

10. For the same reasons HRC was. Sexism. Misogyny. Patriarchy. And, in VP Harris'

case, racism.

[Polybius]

19. Or none of the above

Many of us simply prefer someone else to be the 47 President.

[niyad]

25. uh huh.

[onetexan]

30. Bingo!

[Bettie]

11. Because she's a woman

It's all part of the mind set...

This old satirical piece really cuts to the heart of it: https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-hate-women-candidates-i-just-hated-hillary-and-coincidentally-im-starting-to-hate-elizabeth-warren


Last two paragraphs:

I always tell my daughters they can be anything they want, so long as they don’t make other people feel uncomfortable. They can be as ambitious as they want, so long as they do it in an acceptable manner. They can reach for the stars, which you can see right up there on the ceiling painted to resemble a sky.

So bring it on, ladies! I’d love to see a female President. Just not Hillary Clinton. Or Elizabeth Warren. I am totally open to all other women leaders, but I have to admit that Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar are beginning to make me angry and I’m not sure why yet, but I know the reason will become clear soon, and I’m also wondering what they might look like if someone photoshopped their heads onto the bodies of prisoners and put them behind bars.

Reach for the stars, girls!

[betsuni]

14. That's a really good one.

Elizabeth Warren is the best example. "Progressives" claimed to love love love her and swore they would've totally voted for her until she actually ran for president, then immediately there were all sorts of reasons why they didn't like her so much anymore and she wasn't, like, really progressive. Obvious.

[Bettie]

15. I notice this most in progressive men

all the progressive women I knew (and I am one) were excited to see her run.

We also knew that misogyny is really powerful, even with liberal men.

Harris was my second choice and I think she'd be a great president, but when she's mentioned, even here at DU, people dismiss her out of hand.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. Warren's failure as a presidential candidate was largely due to "electability" narrative

Fostered by the media (“she’s too progressive to beat Trump”).

[betsuni]

24. No, I'm talking about people who said they'd vote for her and immediately after she

announced her candidacy said she wasn't progressive enough. Funny to see Warren go from progressive hero on JackPineRadicals to "Hillary 2.0" "school marm" "capitalist" "Republican" overnight, she didn't pass the Medicare for All purity test, and her student loan plan didn't forgive all loans.

Harris was one of the most progressive senators and overnight turned into a "cop" who put everyone in jail, a whole list of attacks from the left ready to go posted originally on Reddit, reposted at JPR.

The position Democrats are often in, being called tax-and-spend socialists by one side and corrupt corporate shills by another.

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Well, JPR is hardly a cross section of the general electorate

It’s not even a cross section of the typical Dem electorate.

Last time I dared venture over there it was filled with Pro-Russia tankies and was home to the Tulsi Gabbard Fan Club.

[betsuni]

28. I wasn't referring to the general electorate, nor to Democrats.

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"Progressives" as in anti-establishment (the establishment being the Democratic Party) populists. Luckily they're losing support and probably won't be able to convince as many potential Democratic voters not to vote for Democrats (because they're corrupt establishment elites and not progressive) as they did in 2016 and tried to do in 2020.

Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress, Our Revolution, other organizations and populists with the goal of replacing Democrats with "progressives." It's not about JPR, they're just the nuttiest.

[Celerity]

29. that site crashed and burned over a year ago

[crazylikafox]

23. Well said

As a 74 year old woman I find this so true but so depressing

[niyad]

9. "democrat doubts" tells one everything needed.

[brooklynite]

13. I don't think they ever had confidence in her AS A CANDIDATE.

I certainly wouldn’t default to her in a future Primary.

As a Vice President, I’d say most people have no real idea of what she’s doing.

[niyad]

26. Because the media pretends she does not exist.. Well, except for the pot thing.

THAT they covered extensively, hysterically, almost slavering.

[brooklynite]

37. MSNBC and CNN are pretending she doesn't exist?

And the White House isn’t able to compensate?

[Fiendish Thingy]

16. GOP will go hard negative on Harris in 2024

Joe is doing so well, they can’t attack his accomplishments, so they will plant the seed that he won’t survive to the end of his second term (statistically possible), and that a President Harris is a certainty if Biden is re-elected.

It will be very, very nasty.

[CTyankee]

20. I agree. Just you wait...they'll snarl about her "cackle."

Like my Trumpy neighbor did during the campaign. For some reason, however, he's gone silent while the Biden administration racks up its outstanding efforts. He can't whine that everything is terrible, because it isn't. He tried and it was (you guessed it) Hunter Biden's laptop. Now that's gone. Oh, well...

[In It to Win It]

21. I love her. I just think she needs more charisma

That's if she hopes to run for President in the near future.

[Lucinda]

31. She is doing her job.... Just as Biden did for Obama.

Her schedule is posted online

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. VP Harris has been a great Vice President

[ripcord]

33. I wish she hadn't had the border hung on her

That is a no win for anyone.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

36. Donna Brazile is absolutely correct and basically got Chris Christie all the way together...

Link to tweet

[pwb]

35. I like Joe.

Harris is young, she will have her chance in 2028. IMO.