"Do not send your high school senior to any college/university in Florida" is the new message being

[SheilaAnn]

sent to relatives and friends, not only up north but in the mid-west. This is going to backfire bigly for DeSantis and I could not be happier. Many grandparents in my building who would love for their grands to come down here for college have stated, not now and are warning their families. I doubt any of the schools down here will be certified in the next few years.

[Ocelot II]

1. Florida high school kids won't be able to get into any college outside Florida

if DeSatan takes away AP courses and the SAT. Florida families with teenagers need to move the hell out of the state now, while the kids are still in high school, so they can take those courses in a normal high school and get into a normal college.

[SheilaAnn]

3. Exactly. n/t

[obamanut2012]

7. Except for Liberty and Hillsdale...

[Brother Buzz]

13. I think Ocelot II qualified that

If DeSatan takes away AP courses and the SAT. Florida families with teenagers need to move the hell out of the state now, while the kids are still in high school, so they can take those courses in a normal high school and get into a normal college.

[mwooldri]

27. Even that's not that much of a dead end.

End up at Liberty? No problem. Transfer to Central Virginia Community College and go on from there.

Unsure where Hillsdale is, don't wanna look it up.

If Fla schools end up with a dearth of AP courses then perhaps students will look to community college as a stepping stone.

What DeathSentence is doing in Desantistan is stupid yeah but for now there are workarounds. Lord help us if he ended up president... It'd be Trumpism on steroids.

[ShazzieB]

36. Hillsdale College is in southern Michigan, in a tiny town by the same name.

Their website is cagey, describing the school as a "small liberal arts college." You have to take a pretty deep dive to find out how deeply religiously based it is.

[Grins]

58. Extreme Reich-wing diploma mill! You SHOULD become...

…aware of it.

One vignette:

The wife of the school president’s son committed suicide in 1999.

Why? She had had an affair. With her husband’s father, Hillsdale’s president. The “traditional family values “ fraud was - screwing his son’s wife!!

And not just a fling, either. For 19 (NINETEEN) of the 21 she had been married he had schtupped her on the side.

If finally got to her and she ended her life at age 42.

In the political world it got worse. Larry Arnn is the current school president. Last December he threatened:

“ As long as our representative institutions work in response to the public will, there is thankfully no need for violence.”

Liberty U. is crap. Hillsdale is worse!

[CaptainTruth]

31. I've been thinking exactly this.

A diploma from a Florida institution, high school or college, is being seriously devalued by DeFascist.

[FoxNewsSucks]

2. Unless he finds his way into the oval office,

then those will be the only kind of schools to be certified.

The fascist plan is terrifying, and he's their man to do it.

[Irish_Dem]

4. Yes exactly.

[Evolve Dammit]

18. Good point

[Tommy Carcetti]

5. You know there's multiple private colleges and universities in Florida, right?

Not everything is under DeSantis' thumb.

[Phoenix61]

9. That are controlled by the state.

“The State Department of Education (DOE) has the responsibility and authority to write rules for public and private schools in Florida and the Department of Health has inspection authority to apply the DOE standards, per section 381.006(16), Florida Statutes.Oct 12, 2022”

[TimeToGo]

48. Well, the thing is

Private colleges have charters that prohibit that. Will make for some interesting court cases.

[Phoenix61]

49. DeSatan doesn't seem to care if something is legal or not.

He has a legislature that is fully supporting him.

[TimeToGo]

50. True

[Mariana]

51. Exactly.

If he wants to do something that isn't legal, they'll just make it legal for him.

[Ocelot II]

10. And without AP courses will FL high school grads be admitted to them?

Even private colleges are assisted indirectly in the form of state-funded financial aid for students. Will students who are enrolled in "woke" private schools be deprived of these funds as well?

[pnwmom]

14. Florida aside, colleges don't discriminate against students at schools with no AP courses.

They're just supposed to take the challenging courses that are available; they're not penalized when AP isn't.

[Ocelot II]

16. I wouldn't be so sure about that - college admissions have become extremely competitive

and if students who haven't taken AP courses have to compete with those who have, the students who have those courses are likely to receive more favorable consideration. AP courses are considered more rigorous than even honors courses at most high schools, and provide more assurance to admissions personnel that the student can handle courses offered by their college. Also, some AP courses count as college credits, so the student can enter college with a few credits already on their transcript. Depriving all high school students in Florida of even the opportunity to take these courses could place them at a significant disadvantage.

[pnwmom]

20. They don't require AP because that would discriminate against poor kids in communities

without those resources, including minority kids in those communities.

Like I said, I don't know how they'll treat Fl students. But I'm sure that they don't penalize kids in other states who don't attend a school that has them.

https://www.diycollegerankings.com/high-school-doesnt-offer-ap-classes-will-hurt-admissions/19602/

FAQ: My high school doesn’t offer AP classes, will it hurt me in admissions?

No. If your high school offers AP classes then taking AP classes demonstrates taking the most rigorous academic program available. If AP classes aren’t available, you can still take the most challenging academic program available, it just won’t include AP classes. AP courses help in college admissions only when high schools actually offer them. Colleges know what classes are available based on the school profile that is sent with counselors letter or transcript.

According to Yale:

Does your school offer AP courses? An International Baccalaureate program? Both? Neither? We know you did not design your school’s curriculum, and we only expect you to take advantage of such courses if your high school provides them. Different schools have different requirements that may restrict what courses you can take. Again, we only expect that you will excel in the opportunities to which you have access.

[Ocelot II]

22. Yeah, so they say. Regardless what they really do in actual practice.

Florida public high schools are likely to become so dumbed down under DeSantis' de-wokifying program that even their supposed college-prep courses will lack academic rigor, and the reality will be that college admissions people, at least at the more competitive colleges, will look at Florida high school grads with a jaundiced eye. Nothing good will come from eliminating the extra educational opportunities offered by AP courses.

[Raftergirl]

52. My kid who had no AP courses at all got into every school he applied to...

and attended a top 25 LAC. He only had honors and a community college physics course. And, his high school (private) did offer AP classes but not nearly as many as most public schools.

It’s the rigor of the courses available and GPA which matters most.

There is also the ACT which Florida students will be able to take if SAT isn’t given. My kid took both but his ACT was slightly higher so he sent those scores.

TBS, Florida public schools have been terrible for years and they will just get worse - but this is the government they wanted, so.

[Ocelot II]

53. But Florida schools will become less rigorous than ever under DeSatan's regime.

I can't imagine that his policies won't put students at a disadvantage wrt college admissions and life in general.

[Raftergirl]

55. Most students in every state attend their instate public universities.

And Florida public schools have been terrible for years.

[obamanut2012]

6. This will probably affect college football recruiting, too

And yes, that will be a big deal to some folks.

[yardwork]

56. That might be the deal breaker, right there.

[BComplex]

59. Once the sports programs are brought to their knees, there will be an outcry heard around the world.

That will be the breaking point.

[Demovictory9]

8. Desanis university..

[C_U_L8R]

11. DeStupid had doomed FL kids

and FL schools. What choices do they have? Do they know how to raise hell and protest this awfulness?

[SledDriver]

12. In the future, no one is going to want to hire someone with a Florida "education"

And as Ocelot II states above -- Florida high school kids won't be able to get into any college outside Florida

[LiberalArkie]

15. I believe that is there desire.. Plenty of cheap labor.

[Marius25]

17. What makes you think it will backfire on DeSantis?

This is what he wants.

[madville]

32. Exactly

The less liberals that want to come get educated here and then settle down here, that’s just what they want.

[Initech]

19. Fox News is a terrorist organization.

This new brand of weaponized propaganda that's resulted in this book banning insanity is going to be the death knell for the United States.

[mgardener]

21. I wouldn't visit Florida if I were pregnant

[IcyPeas]

23. Everyone* goes to Florida for spring break too

I wish the kids would go elsewhere.

*not literally "everyone"

[FakeNoose]

24. I hope Florida gets smart and elects a Dem Governor - soon!

So much damage has been done by DeSantis. It's going to take decades to fix all this.

[Celerity]

33. the Florida Democratic Party is in overall shambolic shape

[bucolic_frolic]

25. I do not buy anything from FL

[peggysue2]

26. Good to hear the Nans and Pops are putting out the warning

The good citizens in Florida are the only ones to derail DeSantis in the state. It's up to the broader American electorate to dash the man's presidential ambitions nationwide.

DeSantis has shown everyone with a scintilla of awareness who and what he is. He's not hiding it and obviously not simply play-acting for the sake of the MAGA crowd.

This is who he is: a wanna-be tyrant, who (as was said) is not a Trumpy ignoramus. He actually knows what he's doing.

Which makes him ever more dangerous.

[Aviation Pro]

28. Before anyone gets excited that Floriduh is going to sink into Idiocracy let me add something

The University of Miami is now highly competitive with a by the Almighty wait list of applicants. This is aligning with the current thinking that South Florida is becoming the Wall Street of the south because so much money is pouring into the finance, medical and high tech industries.

Guv. Man Bewbs will not kill this goose that lays the golden eggs.

[Raftergirl]

54. U of Miami is a private university.

[dempls]

29. Athletics

I hope all the high preforming athletes stay away too and the existing ones transfer out of state.

[calimary]

35. Welcome to DU, dempls!

Good point. The star athletes would all be better served if they moved out of Florida. That will, in effect, be a black mark on their records if they don't.

[madville]

30. That's exactly what he wants

If liberals don’t come here for college and then stay after graduation the state will just get redder and redder. COVID turned this purple state that Obama won twice into a bright red one, they easily gained a millions of votes attracting people fleeing lockdowns and vaccine mandates.

[Celerity]

34. +1

[Joinfortmill]

39. It might be too late. I lived in FL for 6 yrs. Wouldn't put my money in R.E. there now.

Too damn scary.

[SunSeeker]

37. Thank God my kid got into a UC here in CA. nt

[Joinfortmill]

38. Good.

[Ligyron]

40. This nonsense is widely ignored in many public schools even now.

I live here and know many in our local education system and they know even more statewide where they all meet up at conferences. Most say it'll be "Why no Governor, we ain't got none of them woke, black studies curricula for trans gendered kids taught around here. No Suh!"

DeSatan won't be Governor for life and this whole thing could die in a couple years, long before they can even put together an effective method to enforce this stupidity.

Most people in Florida do not support this idiocy anyway.

I'll admit it looks bad from the outside as our (their) "official policy", but trying to ban ideas never works. I wouldn't write Florida off just yet.

[LaMouffette]

41. It's time for musicians, corporations, and sports teams to boycott Florida,

just as some did when states like Arizona refused to make Martin Luther King Jr. a state holiday.

The problem, though, is that demanding that those states recognize MLK Jr day was a concrete goal. The boycott demanded that those states do something. It's a lot harder to demand that Florida stop doing something, as in stop being a racist, misogynistic, and LGBTQ-phobic dick of a state.

I don't know. Something must be done. Actions must be taken like those taken by the activists who brought down segregation.

[rictofen]

44. Yeah, it seems like...don't go to college in FL, but keep visiting the theme parks and beaches

Where is the call for boycotts like there was with NC after the bathroom bill, or with GA after the voter suppression bill? Even TX seemed to weather the storm after their egregiously bad abortion bounty nonsense.

Is "The Mouse" really that enticing to people? Ditto for TX being one of the big corporate hubs of the country.

States like CA banning official travel doesn't cut it.

[catrose]

42. I just receiving a fundraising letter from Univ of Fla (having donated to someone's pet club there)

I plan to send them a letter saying that I can't support Florida education with its current tyrant overseeing everything.

[Moostache]

43. Sad Commentary on today's reality...

If this were to cost the University of Florida or Florida State University football recruits (instead of NIL-$$$ deals doing the same), you'd see this fixed by lunch tomorrow...

[SheilaAnn]

45. I so hope you are right. nt

[ZonkerHarris]

46. Tell any grandparents you have in FL you won't be visiting the stat until they vote in a Dem gov

#boycottFL

[SheilaAnn]

47. Definitely...n/t

[malthaussen]

57. Unless they plan on majoring in Football.

Plenty of alternatives for that, though.

-- Mal

[republianmushroom]

60. like it

[Ladythatvotesblue]

61. I wonder...

If out of state companies will be hiring any graduates from Florida that actually continue with their education at these institutions?