Ok....I've said this here for YEARS beginning in 2001...

[PCIntern]

The word is: BOYCOTT

BOYCOTT Florida, Texas, and any other state which exhibits the Nazified tactics and censorship.

I stated this here at DU after the 2000 Florida debacle which was a coup staged by the Republicans.

No… you don’t HAVE to go to Disneyworld or Miami Beach or Key West. No you DON’T. You can do your best to avoid products made or fabricated in certain states. You can go to college in another warm state.

So your retort of course, is that there are good people living in the state who will suffer. That’s right…and they will suffer MORE when the concentration camps are opened or the books are burned or the kids are shot in the street protesting. When I lived in Philadelphia during Republican administrations, my city was boycotted by the federal government and huge grants were sent elsewhere as punishment for the city voting Democratic. It wasn’t until Clinton was elected that federal projects resumed in Philly to any great extent.

This morning, Keith Olbermann literally screamed for boycotts of these states which are promoting repression and frankly, racism. He’s right, he’s just not that original, as I am not so original.

[republianmushroom]

1. like it

[SheltieLover]

2. Absolutely!

[FalloutShelter]

3. Absolutely correct!

Boycott these states!

[hlthe2b]

4. I have let the multiple professional organizations whose conferences I often attend that I will not

be attending any in Fl or TX in the next two years (at a minimum). Larger conferences get pre-planning as much as two years ahead of time, so while I can't do anything but boycott those already planned THIS YEAR in cities in those states, I can send a message. And those conference cancellations for any pre-planned destinations can get a lot of attention. While I am but one attendee, I will encourage colleagues to send a similar message.

[llmart]

5. My son lives in Florida.

It's not where he or I are from, but he loves his job and he's been there twelve years. I will still be visiting Florida. He hates DeSantis and the politics as much as we do. He canvassed for Obama even though he was working long hours. All of his friends in Florida are Democrats and lovely, kind people - I have met many of them.

[MadameButterfly]

26. We need people like your son in Florida to fight the good fight

because there are good people there and because secession between red and blue states is not a practical option. We cannot cede all the Congressional seats and state legislature, or Florida's natrual treasures to the crazies.
Nevertheless boycotts are better than a real war. Democrats in Florida will be needed to convince that people that DeSantism is hurting the state's economy.

[treestar]

70. You're not going there to spend money there

for tourism. I'd visit family there. But not take more expensive vacations there. There are a lot of other places for that.

[llmart]

104. Really?

You don't think I spend money when I'm there? That's quite presumptuous of you to assume I just get off the plane and sit in my son's place for seven days, as much as I do love his company.

[treestar]

106. Well!

But not hotels and stuff. Geez!

[Skittles]

6. I've boycotted Florida since their "hanging chad" bullshit

FUCK THEM

[Meadowoak]

57. Me too.

[malaise]

7. Well I boycotted the entire country

after the Slobfather's inauguration.

[blm]

10. Heheh. Whattayou trying to get 10 more hearts?

Heheheh ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[malaise]

12. I have way too many

Wish I could have passed some of them on.
Seriously I haven't travelled to the US since December 2016 and I was good for two or three times a year before that.

[blm]

13. I know

But, I’m still gonna tease you. 😉

[malaise]

16. LOL

[blm]

9. Go to Disneyland instead, ffs.

[DENVERPOPS]

100. Exactly,

go to California, rather than Florida......

DeSantis has gone all out to try and destroy Disney World.

I would love to see Disney send a letter to DeSantis and every one of his Republican CABAL, showing the amount of Tax Revenues Disney sends to the State of Florida, and local governments in just one year. Also point out the number of Florida Residents that they employ in good jobs............AND all the thousands of employees who work for the companies that supply them.......

[onecaliberal]

11. Already doing it.

[ForgedCrank]

14. I find

economic terrorism unacceptable.
First, it can cost countless innocent folks the jobs that they need in order to feed their kids, pay their rent, etc. I don't want to be any part of a movement that will cost people their jobs. It is a poorly thought out action.
Secondly, it's a bi-directional disaster that no one wins in the end, and a lot of innocent people get hurt.

[erronis]

17. Well, for me it isn't "economic terrorism" as you state. It is just a personal preference to not go

to places that have policies that I disagree with.

If you don't like rank capitalism, don't go to NYC or LA. Don't like gambling don't go to places that promote it.

If you don't like racism then don't frequent businesses that promote it (or aren't trying to remove it.)

[ForgedCrank]

21. That is

a little bit different than organized movements with the goal of damaging a business or company.
What you describe are simple choices, and we should all do that wisely.
A "boycott" is economic terrorism as far as I'm concerned.

[LT Barclay]

36. Would that include the Alabama bus boycott?

[ForgedCrank]

42. I don't

know. Do you consider that an equivalent?
Is an Alabama bus boycott the same thing to you as refusing to go to the beach or a hotel in Florida? If you think so then I'd say do what your heart tells you to do, and remember the real consequences if you care.

[bluestarone]

81. OK YOU GO!

My family and any good Democratic family SHOULD BOYCOTT!

[hadEnuf]

24. There were innocent Republicans living in Philidelphia when their own politicians boycotted them too

But that didn't stop them.

Sorry, but Republicans will not even think about stopping until they get some of their own punishment back.

Or we can just keep taking kicks in the teeth from them until all of our teeth are gone.

[ForgedCrank]

29. Well, I

didn't insinuate that Republicans didn't do it. They do it all the dang time.
My point is that I personally believe it is a foolish and poorly thought out action, and the fact that Republicans do this crap is a good enough reason for us to not want to behave in such a manner.
We understand consequences, and a lot of good people get burned to the ground when others organize and do this silly stuff.
Think about it, if there is a general boycott against Florida, just the travel and tourism part of it, who do we think that will affect the most? Who works at these resorts, hotels, etc? That's right, mostly lower-income folks, immigrants, young people trying to get a start, you get the point. Is this who we want to suffer the consequences of such actions?
It amounts to throwing a tantrum without regard for the real people who are caught in the crossfire and taking all the damage. It really does break my heart thinking about it. It's cruel, and it's the part that the boycotters will never see with their own eyes. they will just look at plummeting stock prices and laugh. Then after that, the real damage begins.

[hadEnuf]

61. DeSantis was elected by a majority of Floridians.

They agree with his fascist policies. These policies will not just stop with book bannings. Unions, fair pay, individual rights, voting rights, and everything thing else connected will be at risk. Appeasing this monster will do little in the long run for the low-income working people that he already despises. And if he gets into the WH it will go national.

Democrats will not withhold funding for red states like the right does for blue states, so the Republicans just laugh and do whatever they want with impunity. But private citizens also have a right to use their money as free speech.

Not all German soldiers were Nazis but when they shot at us we shot back. Not all southerners were Confederates but we imposed a naval blockade on them. I don't think anybody wants to purposefully hurt low income and working people, but to allow this fascist DeSantis to run wild without accountability will be far worse for them.

[MadameButterfly]

30. It feels a bit like terrorism to me

to be paying taxes that go to keeping DeSantis, Scott, etc. in power (by keeping their state solvent despite their policies) while they actively work to take away my social security, democracy, and the planet.

If we triumph in the end: more jobs, kids get fed, corporate CEOs pay their taxes.

Republicans will try to harm blue states regardless of what we do. Trump was targeting blue states just because we didn't vote for him.
However, Blue states are the donor states, the Red states cannot do the reverse of what Olberman is talking about.

[NullTuples]

49. That's all well and good but helping Florida's economy enhances DeSantis' status.

And as his status grows, so does his ability and likelihood to be able to inflict his personal brand of bullying on the entire nation.

Your argument is like when people say, "Don't boycott Chick-fil-A or you'll harm the people who work there". It misses the point of the boycott.

I am not about to help fund my own destruction, that of my family, and that of other people I care about.

[ForgedCrank]

51. Well, if

you are willing to sacrifice those people, then I suppose you have to do what you have to do.
Personally, I'm not willing to ask others to suffer for my cause, especially against their will.
To each his own though.

[NullTuples]

53. You'd fund your own demise? Interesting...

[ForgedCrank]

54. I find

it interesting when people hear words I never said.

[NullTuples]

56. Now you

are just trolling, I fear.

Is it okay if we stop now?

[ForgedCrank]

58. I'm one

of the people trying to be openly honest here, and it's not easy going against the grain around here. I don't generally stand up and "rah rah" the other 95% of the posts I agree with, I find it redundant an unnecessary. I speak up when I feel it is in some way productive or to open the possibility that others may try to look at something from a different perspective.
I believe 100% in Democracy, not just when it serves me. I don't live in Florida, and I believe the residents of that state deserve to elect their own officials in the way they wish to be represented, without my interference, and without me organizing masses of out of state people to destroy their local economy with such tactics just in order to make officials (again in another state where I do not even live) do things the way I want.
I don't believe in throwing wrenches in the Democratic system like that. Florida will sort this out when they've had enough DeSantis BS, and probably sooner than we all think.
I just don't like people trying to put words in my mouth, words I never said. I already say what I mean, I don't need assistance.
Is making such statements "trolling" by your guidelines?
If so then yes, we should probably be done.

[treestar]

72. but then people have the freedom to

not patronize any businesses in a state - they can't be forced to be that fair. And just how far do you go? At some point, an electorate is responsible as such. Would you boycott Russia right now? If there was a company selling things here that benefited owners of a company there? Would you not go there as a tourist?

[ForgedCrank]

78. I don't

really care about Russian citizens, I care about American citizens and their right to elect their own local representatives.

[treestar]

84. how does it interfere with their right to do that

if someone decides to boycott their state because of it?

[ForgedCrank]

90. Well, I

would start that debate by asking that if someone from let's say, Idaho, organizes a boycott against Florida businesses, what is the intended goal? What outcome are the expecting?

[treestar]

91. probably that they vote out DeSatan

and republican legislators. Admittedly, it may not necessarily work.

[ForgedCrank]

92. I suppose

this is the primary point I was trying to establish.
Outsiders putting pressure on officials in that district or state could force them to make policy changes, changes that the local majority may not agree with. As a result, the majority of those who voted would no longer be represented, regardless of how much I may disagree with how they run things.
So that was my answer regarding how outside influences would affect the local citizens right to be represented.
I simply don't agree with such tactics, most especially organized economic boycotts that would most certainly hurt the most vulnerable. Florida local politics and policy may piss me off, but it's not my place to tell those citizens how they should run their own system locally. I don't live there. And I firmly believe that is how Democracy is supposed to work.

[treestar]

107. I don't know why not step out of one's place

on something important, like say, democracy.

[treestar]

69. it's a reasonable conclusion from

what you've said.

Also that you would have no one boycott because of jobs. So long as someone has a job in a company, it can do whatever it pleases - pollute, etc. And it's not like jobs never change. If a job is lost due to progress, another is created due to progress.

People who lose low level jobs in DisneyWorld - a job will open up wherever the boycotters end up going instead.

And if they really are going to lose their freedoms to fascism - well, leaving Germany was an option, not staying there and just waiting because you could at the present time support your family. Some conditions warrant leaving.

[inthewind21]

77. Huh

So, how do you think we got to where we are right now? I'm not being snarky, i'd really like to hear what you have to say on how this country got here.

[ForgedCrank]

86. I think

we got here mostly because of rabid and hateful politics. That is my personal opinion.
One half of America hates the other, look from either direction and it's the same picture on that point.
I believe that allowing emotions to steer us in our reactions has built this very large gap that divides us all. People (in general) seem to go straight for the personal insults rather than attacking bad policy. I was even accused of "trolling" for being honest here. These sort of things divide us, they don't connect us.
If you can stomach it, go watch Tucker Carlson for just a few minutes. The man can't make a single point without also making it personal and calling the people behind these policies really vile or demeaning things. Once a person does that, there is no more debate to follow. At that point, it's just throwing rocks at each other. It might be fun if that's something someone likes to do, but it does nothing to further the betterment of law or culture. In fact, I'll even get chastised and accused of "both-side-ism" for saying such things. The goal would be to make me shut up and sit down rather than honestly discuss something.
I don't like how things have evolved (or devolved to be more accurate) when it comes to politics. And as long as we (all of us as Americans) are willing to accept this bile as a proper method of discussing things, nothing will ever get better.
I wish I had an answer for how, but I don't. People here make the point that "we could be nice, then Republicans would still stomp on our throats". And that is unfortunately, absolutely true. I'm simply pointing out, since you asked, that I think the root of the problems is the uncivil nature of how we now "debate" politics now. If we had a magic wand that could make that go away, I honestly believe we would start seeing progress.
And thank you for the genuine question. You may not even like what I just said, but you asked and you listened. That is how this is supposed to work, and I really appreciate that a lot.

[oldsoftie]

97. Chin Fil A is a good example of how boycotts usually dont work.

Every year they blow away the previous years numbers.

[NullTuples]

99. The point isn't always to "hurt" the company financially

Often the point of boycott may simply be to get people aware of bad, evil and immoral corporate behavior (or political bad behavior, as the case may be).

But also, many people who boycott do so primarily for the very practical reason that they don't want their hard-earned money funding the company's (or state's) harmful behaviors.

It's a matter of personal morality and attempting to express consistent values where possible in life. For instance, I am not about to fund my own demise by adding to the profits and popularity - by however small an amount - a company that supports such efforts, like Chick-Fil-A. Or states where politicians stay in office in based on ginning up rhetoric with the sole purpose of erasing my family from public life in America through bigotry.

[SoCalDavidS]

15. Already Boycotting FL & TX.

I have relatives in both states that I may never see again. And 3 days remaining on a Disneyworld pass I may never get to use.

[we can do it]

18. Agree 100%

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

19. There are states I won't go to.

My Son The Astronomer should have his PhD by the end of this year, and will soon be looking for a job. We've discussed it, and he has zero interest or willingness to move anywhere in the Deep South. I'm glad.

[NullTuples]

52. There are worse places than Hawai'i or New Mexico....

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

62. Much worse.

I moved here from Kansas in 2008, and with each passing year I'm more glad I'm here. NM is hardly perfect, but it's been good for me.

[czarjak]

20. Money-generation blunts boycotts.

[Bluethroughu]

22. Been avoiding these places, products, restaurants and whatever else

That does not support Democratic principals.

I still go places and buy things, but usually it's resale, repurpose, reuse or artesian products.

I find awesome stuff.

[debsy]

23. The Irish had it right then and you are correct now.

History of the boycott:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/boycott

The boycott was popularized by Charles Stewart Parnell during the Irish land agitation of 1880 to protest high rents and land evictions. The term boycott was coined after Irish tenants followed Parnell’s suggested code of conduct and effectively ostracized a British estate manager, Charles Cunningham Boycott.

[PCIntern]

25. Interesting....thank you!

[MadameButterfly]

31. Fascinating

i had never wondered about the source of the word. Thanks for the link

[markodochartaigh]

68. Hunger strikes also have a long history in Ireland

https://stairnaheireann.net/2020/08/11/brehon-law-the-troscad/

[Tommy Carcetti]

28. States are inevitably hard to boycott.

The larger and more generalized the area, the harder to avoid all of it, or the greater chance of your boycott being overbroad and counterproductive.

That’s why the more focused the boycott—a specific branded product, business or service—the better chance for success.

When Rosa Parks was arrested for not moving to the back of the bus, civil rights leaders didn’t demand a boycott of all of Alabama. Because that would be damn near impossible, especially for the people living in Alabama.

Instead they went right to the heart of it, the Montgomery bus system, and focused right there. And it worked.

I live in Florida. How the hell can I boycott my own entire state?

[MadameButterfly]

33. Good point. What we really want to affect is certain politicians

Whose actions are impacting people outside of the state who don't get to vote against them.
We don't want to harm all FLoridians or chase Democrats out of FLorida faster than DeSantis is already doing.
But a boycott strategy of some kind may be needed, and as you say, done intelligently so it's effective against the people who are the problem.

[Tommy Carcetti]

64. I have no desire to leave Florida.

Nor do the circumstances of my profession make it easy to leave even if I wanted to.

Objectively and politics aside, I like living here, and I’m not a coward who’s going to cut and run.

[ShazzieB]

45. No, you can't really boycott your entire state, and i don't think anyone expects you to.

But if enough non-Floridians avoid spending our tourism dollars there, it might just make an impact. Same with Texas. I think that's what PCIntern had in mind.

I think we all realize that some DUers live in Florida,Texas, and other states where scary authoritarian things are happening, and pulling up stakes and moving is not a viable option in many, if not most, cases.

[treestar]

71. That's true, too

The more focus, the more effective.

It depends on the state, too. Florida is a state that a lot of out of staters will go, for the tourism, beaches and weather. Boycotting Alabama wouldn't be as effective, as people don't tend to go there as much as Florida for things of that nature.

I was thinking of boycotting the corporations that work out of a state, in which case in-state people could participate. Though most corporations now are international, so that might not do much. Maybe the donors to DeSatan's campaign would be a focus.

[ALBliberal]

32. Could not agree more

[kimbutgar]

34. Agreed will never set foot in either state

If I am on eBay and the seller is from that state I won’t buy from them. I will never take a cruise from Florida either.

[NHvet]

37. I have a son and grandson

who live in the panhandle of Fl. We haven't visited them in the last 5 years due the political climate. We give them the monies to come visit us. Used to love the break to going there when it was cold here, but we can't bring ourselves to spend our money where the hate is so strong. My brother and family "used" to be great Disney / Universal fans along with the yearly cruise, but no longer. Now he cruises out of PR or Cali.

[c-rational]

38. Excellent suggestion/reminder. We have been doing this for years.

[CTyankee]

39. I do not have time enough left on this planet to anyplace now except for Paris, Boston

and of course NYC. My life now is writing about art so if I go to LA to see my daughter and her family it will be also for a visit to LACMA. I love LA! They are accepting of my transitioning grandchild and offering her help in many different ways both at the local and state level.

Thank goddess I live in New Haven. And the state of CT.

[LT Barclay]

40. The people of this country could take back control by targeted boycotts.

But if it is specific politicians maybe we need to have targeted boycotts of their sponsors. Destroy the corporations one by one. It also eliminates the argument that you are hurting innocent people because they could find jobs with the other companies.
To use oil companies as an example, boycott BP and bring it down. Then you might not have to battle the others because they will be more cautious.
On the other hand I do boycott certain states because their policies towards wildlife does represent the will of the majority, so I’d never travel to Yellowstone unless I could find a guide to wolf friendly businesses.

[housecat]

41. Great idea! It will need to be organized and publicized, but it'll be worth the trouble

[mountain grammy]

43. I'm currently enjoying an Arizona winter

For a couple of weeks. They get bluer with every election thank goodness.

[panader0]

46. Etymology of the word "boycott" just for fun. From wiki:

The word boycott entered the English language during the Irish "Land War" and derives from Captain Charles Boycott, the land agent of an absentee landlord, Lord Erne, who lived in County Mayo, Ireland. Captain Boycott was the target of social ostracism organized by the Irish Land League in 1880. As harvests had been poor that year, Lord Erne offered his tenants a ten percent reduction in their rents. In September of that year, protesting tenants demanded a twenty-five percent reduction, which Lord Erne refused. Boycott then attempted to evict eleven tenants from the land. Charles Stewart Parnell, the Irish leader, proposed that when dealing with tenants who take farms where another tenant was evicted, rather than resorting to violence, everyone in the locality should shun them. While Parnell's speech did not refer to land agents or landlords, the tactic was first applied to Boycott when the alarm was raised about the evictions. Despite the short-term economic hardship to those undertaking this action, Boycott soon found himself isolated – his workers stopped work in the fields and stables, as well as in his house. Local businessmen stopped trading with him, and the local postman refused to deliver mail.[2]

The concerted action taken against him meant that Boycott was unable to hire anyone to harvest his crops in his charge.[3] After the harvest, the "boycott" was successfully continued and soon the new word was everywhere. The New-York Tribune reporter, James Redpath, first wrote of the boycott in the international press. The Irish author, George Moore, reported: 'Like a comet the verb 'boycott' appeared.'[4] It was used by The Times in November 1880 as a term for organized isolation. According to an account in the book The Fall of Feudalism in Ireland by Michael Davitt, the term was promoted by Fr. John O'Malley of County Mayo to "signify ostracism applied to a landlord or agent like Boycott". The Times first reported on November 20, 1880: "The people of New Pallas have resolved to 'boycott' them and refused to supply them with food or drink." The Daily News wrote on December 13, 1880: "Already the stoutest-hearted are yielding on every side to the dread of being 'Boycotted'." By January of the following year, the word was being used figuratively: "Dame Nature arose.... She 'Boycotted' London from Kew to Mile End."[5].

[NullTuples]

101. Thank you - I love etymology!

[live love laugh]

47. 🚫 ... or "Cancel" FL as the MAGATS would say

[Mr. Evil]

48. I would love to see

any athlete looking to accept a scholarship to any Florida University to loudly and proudly say, "No... And Hell No! The big 3 are Florida, Florida St. and Miami. Should that happen and when those 3 schools can barely manage 3-4 wins a football season, you'll see DeathSentence and his ilk run out of Florida faster than TFG kisses Putin's ass.

[tccturtle]

50. Don't go boycotting yet

There are LOTS of Democrats in these states. Boycotting the state hurts us too. We are fighting the good fights. Help us rather than hurt us.

[FailureToCommunicate]

55. This. Maybe take the $$ one might have spent there and send some of it to Dems in those

states.

[treestar]

74. Maybe we can all boycott

and company that gave campaign $$ to DeSatan. Or the red Senators.

A generalized boycott might not do enough - the bottom line is the majority of red voters. Though they might not react to the boycott by deciding not to vote for fascists.

So it is a delicate balance.

[CaptainTruth]

59. Ok... I've said this for YEARS... & I'll say it again...

[rant warning, I may be offensive, y'all have been warned]

...Florida resident here, & I keep seeing folks calling for a BOYCOTT of the entire state of FL, which includes me & all my Democratic friends here who are fighting our FUKN asses off trying to stop the fascist bullshit of Ron DeFascist.

Hey, how about we BE SMARTER & we 1) Identify who SUPPORTS DeSantis & BOYCOTT THEM SPECIFICALLY!!! And 2) We identify who has OPPOSED DeSatan & we SUPPORT THEM!!!

For example, you say "you don't have to go to Disneyworld" & you're right we don't have to, but Disneyworld stood up & OPPOSED DeSatan. They OPPOSED his fascist bullshit, they stood up, publicly, they stood up for diversity & equal rights for all, & DeSatan attacked them for it. He attacked them for being "woke." And he's still attacking them. And our response should be... to join in the DeSatan/right-wing attack & boycott them??? Really???

I truly respect you PCIntern, please don't consider this an attack on you personally. This is an expression of a frustration that has been building for a while, & an attempt to get folks to think about this issue in more depth, in a way that can lead to constructive (as opposed to destructive) action. Thank you for listening to my rant!!!

[Pobeka]

75. Not a FL resident, but +1. Using a scalpel, not an axe, to boycott is far more effective. nt

[PCIntern]

80. I understand and if one can

Specifically identify those sectors which support DeSantis I’m all in. The problem is that if you go to the state, you become a contributor to factions with which you may not agree and don’t even know you’re doing it.

[bluestarone]

93. Gotta jump in here to 100% agree.

We need MORE people like you to come forward with these ideas. A list of DEATHSANTIS supporters would be a SUPER starting point! Plus getting FUNDING to the right people in Florida, fighting these ASSHOLES there!

[AwakeAtLast]

60. I'm only going to Austin for a wedding

My nephew is getting married and my 83 year old Dad with advanced Parkinson's decided he wants to go. It will probably be one of his last major trips, so I'm gonna get him there. After that I don't care if I ever go back!

[catrose]

63. As a resident of one of those states--stay away.

It's not in your personal best interests or our collective best interest.

[mnhtnbb]

65. I had planned a vacation to FL end of February

but I have cancelled it. Just not going to FL again because of the anti gay and book banning policies.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

66. I've boycotted Texas since 1979.

And am now boycotting the rest of the Nazi Red States as well.

I will not drive to, or through, them.

As little of my money as possible will ever get into the hands of the American fascists who seek to destroy our democracy, and trample on our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

[Magoo48]

67. The majority of Americans will sacrifice their freedoms and their environment

so as not to be inconvenienced.

[inthewind21]

79. Bingo!

[lonely bird]

73. I know it won't happen but

I would love to see The Mouse pull out of Florida. The same for Universal Studios.

[Prairie_Seagull]

76. Boycotting is a form of direct action and pocketbook activism.

We need it now. I don't know that it has ever been used very well but that can change, if we are committed.

Count me in. I will say that swamp air boating in florida is a bucket list item for me. I am willing to pay that price such that it is.

[LisaM]

82. My trips there have been limited to family weddings or visits.

One was in Orlando and it was ony list to go by Pulse, which was unbelievably moving.

They have also been infrequent, I have only been there four times. I've never chosen it as a vacation site.

I'm not going to lie, I did enjoy my visits, though I haven't been in years and don't have anything planned. But I don't think my boycotting it will have much effect (it will matter to them as much as my boycotts of Amazon and Nike matter to Jeff Bezos and Phil Knight).

It's more important that people who plan large events there withdraw those events. I'd hope that any library or educational convention planned there pulls the plug, but I would be surprised if more commercial endeavors like ComicCon do the same.

[unweird]

83. We're down with that

And have been for a while now. The Dali Museum in Clearwater has long been a desired destination. And actually still is to the point of exploring day trips there and back. But not wanting to drop any coin in Florida has been insurmountable obstacle. I won’t spend one goddamn cent of my money to be used by such a backwards moving, anti progressive regime.

As to the fallout for the working person, it’s a shame that your state has been overrun by such fascists but it’s not my place to support them in any way, shape or form. Y’all need to clean house.

[Torchlight]

85. This type of direct action forced North Carolina to rescind its restrictive bathroom laws.

From Deutsche Bank AG to Bruce Springsteen to the NCAA, the loss of revenue reverberated throughout the state.

Granted, I can't boycott a state I live in (TX) other than through voting, but I can prevent (to the best of my ability) my dollars from going to other restrictive states.

[TeamProg]

87. I've been hoping that Europeans would boycott travel to the USA due to our MASSIVE GUN DEATHS for

probably longer..

[H2O Man]

88. Recommended.

[H2O Man]

89. Recommended.

[Susan Calvin]

94. I am unfortunately in Texas, and I am fine with this. nt

[DFW]

108. My outfit is in Texas, too, even though I live in Germany now.

We are somewhere around 550 people worldwide, but around 90% of them are in the Dallas HQ. Of them, 90% are either Texas-born or Mexican-born Texans. There are some immigrants (Brazil, Romania, Australia, Germany, Panama, South Africa, New England, etc.) but they are few in number. We aren't about to pack up and relocate, telling 450 families they have to move elsewhere, or lose their jobs. The two or three Republicans that work for us didn't ask us to move to Alabama when Ann Richards was governor, either. Most of our business is not in Texas itself, anyway. At any one time, maybe 100 of us are a plane to somewhere else. We have decent benefits, and employee turnover is extremely low. When we have events in Hong Kong, we try to rotate the people that go, so that a maximum of employees who could never otherwise afford a week in Hong Kong get to go on the company dime if they so desire. Boycotting Texas would hardly affect us at all, just the hotels near us, and even then only slightly. Us boycotting New York would have a bigger effect on the local economy, and that is obviously minimal. We are not the UN. The restaurants near us are always usually full of locals, anyway (no high powered places near our offices), so if no one from outside comes, they wouldn't even notice.

Dallas is a fairly liberal city, anyway. I was there for a week in January, and I did not once see anyone carrying a gun other than cops.

So, if the 5 million of us that voted Democratic in the last election (I still vote in Texas) are to be written off, so be it. Fear not, we're not going to start voting for Republicans just because some pundit says to write us off.

Come to think of it, better boycott South Dakota, as well, while you're at it. Noem is kind of a nut case in her own right. George McGovern and Tom Daschle never really existed, anyway, did they?

[nini]

95. people are too selfish now to boycott, go on strike etc..

They have no real idea how powerful these things are.

[jaxexpat]

96. More effective would be a program identifying Florida cities and categorizing them.

Some Florida cities and communities are totally progressive and they should get a hand up while punishing the vendors and cities with commissioners who support DeSantis.

[lark]

98. I live here and agree.

We're not vacationing in our own state this year, will spend our fun $$ in other states. When we do vacation here, it's staying at family owned places we've known for years or just driving to various beaches or parks and enjoying nature. I was born and raised here and my only immediate family is right here, but I totally loathe the fucking rich people who have stolen this state. It didn't used to be like this!

[FrankTC]

102. It's Not Terrorism

Describing an economic boycott as akin to terrorism would be like your kid calling you a culinary terrorist because you served quinoa instead of French fries. Nothing terroristic about it. it’s not even a punishment for bad behavior. Instead it’s a withholding of a reward (which might in the alternative be directed toward generally, broadly good behavior like that exhibited by tolerant liberal places). By all means boycott the hell out of depraved hateful states, or at least use your discretionary funds to reward decent states. And in your concern for the welfare of the less fortunate in the evil states remember that they are already sucking the blood of the blue states through government transfers, of which they drain off more than they contribute. And also remember that due to senate and electoral college representation they have more than their fair share of political clout, and notice that nobody in the red states complains about political terrorism when they run roughshod over the desires of the majority of American citizens. Give me a break.

[Thunderbeast]

103. Keith Olbermann called that one yesterday. One angry rant!

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-countdown-with-keith-olbe-99705496/episode/an-economic-civil-war-to-108942065/?embed=true

[usaf-vet]

105. I would agree with those you say the people of Florida elected the Governor. IF it was one person...

..... one UNOBSTRUCTED vote. But it is not; the Repugs have done everything they can to OBSTRUCT the "one person" accessing the voting booth.

They are preventing a fair election from happening. And if they don't win on election day. Their next move is to say the election was stolen, and they deny the winner the right to win.

After 60+ losses in the courts, Trump still insists the election was stolen, with no arguments he has made in any court, including those with republican judges.

I will believe the people of Florida elected the governor when republicans across the country stop saying every election they lose was stolen with no provable facts.

Yet, everyone they win in a gerrymandered district is a win in an obstructed polling place.

It is no longer one person, one vote.

It is the candidate choosing the voters who get to vote before the election takes place.

[maxrandb]

109. You are absolutely right. I have a phrase I use frequently

Nothing will change! The racism, fascism, misogyny, hatred and white supremacy...NONE OF IT...will change, unless and until we make racism, fascism, misogyny, hatred and white supremacy unprofitable to the corporations, businesses and individuals that fund and enable it.

The "good" people that live in these states could really use our help in NOT funding the politicians and corporations that suppress and abuse them.