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highplainsdem

(63,055 posts)
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 10:37 PM Feb 2023

ChatGPT is making it LESS likely aspiring authors will be able to sell their work

This is something I predicted in an OP here a couple of weeks ago. But I just found confirmation via a message on Mastodon from the editor of the science fiction magazine Clarkesworld. ChatGPT-using fake writers are flooding submissions, making slush piles impossible to deal with even with publishers BANNING authors who use AI to write for them.

Post late this afternoon from Neil Clarke, editor and publisher of Clarkesworld ( https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarkesworld_Magazine ) :

https://masto.ai/@clarkesworld@mastodon.online/109871320856437472

That links to this new post on his website:

http://neil-clarke.com/a-concerning-trend/

Towards the end of 2022, there was another spike in plagiarism and then “AI” chatbots started gaining some attention, putting a new tool in their arsenal and encouraging more to give this “side hustle” a try. It quickly got out of hand:

-snipping a graph I don't want to hotlink to-

(Note: This is being published on the 15th of February. In 15 days, we’ve more than doubled the total for all of January.)

I’m not going to detail how I know these stories are “AI” spam or outline any of the data I have collected from these submissions. There are some very obvious patterns and I have no intention of helping those people become less likely to be caught. Furthermore, some of the patterns I’ve observed could be abused and paint legitimate authors with the same brush. Regional trends, for example.

What I can say is that the number of spam submissions resulting in bans has hit 38% this month. While rejecting and banning these submissions has been simple, it’s growing at a rate that will necessitate changes. To make matters worse, the technology is only going to get better, so detection will become more challenging. (I have no doubt that several rejected stories have already evaded detection or were cases where we simply erred on the side of caution.)

-snip-


Thanks to ChatGPT, more than a third of the submissions are spam from writers (fake writers) who have to be banned. And the problem is rapidly getting worse.

Clarke mentions some possible remedies. One is limiting the submission window, which would probably mean closing the magazine to new submissions at least temporarily. Another would be soliciting submissions from specific professional authors or accepting submissions only from a narrower set of known authors (my guess is that with a science fiction magazine, that would probably mean SFWA members). He also mentions blocking submissions from people using a VPN, and possibly even banning by region where regions are known for fraud.

He says he's reached out to other editors dealing with the same problem.

He says "business as usual won’t be sustainable" and he worries abour how much rougher this will make it for new and international authors.

Response times for submissions will get worse.

ChatGPT is creating a nightmare for aspiring authors.

This is what I predicted two weeks ago:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217612552

Btw, aspiring writers, artists and musicians hoping AI will bring them commercial success and fame need to be aware that those professions have always operated through filters - agents, editors, producers, record labels, galleries, and so on.

Newcomers' work, and even their query letters asking if they should submit work, typically end up in what is usually called the slush pile. It's called that because most of what's in it is dreck and it's always been a chore for those assigned to the slush pile to get through it, before sending back a reply, most often a standard rejection letter. Ray Bradbury received hundreds of rejection letters before selling his first published story.

ChatGPT will increase those slush piles by orders of magnitude. Making the odds of ever getting out of them, unless you can make the right connections, much worse for aspiring artists.

Especially if the people who are those filters do not want to approve AI-generated work, and there are no good tools for automatically detecting and rejecting it, to weed it out. If anything, AI-generated submissions are likely to make them more likely to rely on established artists if they're determined to promote and sell work created by humans rather than AI. Finding great new talent in a slush pile was always like searching for a diamond needle in a haystack. AI-generated submissions will make that a mountain-sized haystack.
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ChatGPT is making it LESS likely aspiring authors will be able to sell their work (Original Post) highplainsdem Feb 2023 OP
To err is human. To really fk things up, you need a computer. SheltieLover Feb 2023 #1
Self-publishing is also at risk of being overwhelmed by a tsunami of highplainsdem Feb 2023 #4
Gawd... SheltieLover Feb 2023 #5
As a published author of speculative fiction FalloutShelter Feb 2023 #2
If you've been published professionally, paid for your work, you should be highplainsdem Feb 2023 #9
Nope... FalloutShelter Feb 2023 #12
Anything you have to verify the publisher you had before 2008 should highplainsdem Feb 2023 #13
You're not kidding... FalloutShelter Feb 2023 #14
What a problem. I feel for both editors and aspiring authors. brush Feb 2023 #3
I'd read one article saying the person asked for a plot to be written like Stephen King SheltieLover Feb 2023 #8
And will students who use it learn anything about writing or the subject matter? brush Feb 2023 #10
Of course not! SheltieLover Feb 2023 #11
Teachers might be able to catch some of the cheaters, but highplainsdem Feb 2023 #17
Maybe. Maybe not. edisdead Feb 2023 #6
Thank you for taking the time to post all that info Nictuku Feb 2023 #7
You're very welcome! highplainsdem Feb 2023 #16
Now that the book publishing industry ymetca Feb 2023 #15

SheltieLover

(81,661 posts)
1. To err is human. To really fk things up, you need a computer.
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 10:45 PM
Feb 2023

Maybe that should be updated to computer & AI ChatGPT.



Not sure how they would know & I'm not asking, but I have no doubt it will get worse & catalyze more self-publishing.

highplainsdem

(63,055 posts)
9. If you've been published professionally, paid for your work, you should be
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 11:06 PM
Feb 2023

able to avoid the slush pile, either through query letters or having your agent handle submissions.

But this mess ChatGPT is creating is really going to hurt aspiring writers.

And it will make life harder for editors, too.

FalloutShelter

(14,611 posts)
12. Nope...
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 11:17 PM
Feb 2023

My publisher went under in 2008. It’s been self publishing ever since. The odds just keep getting longer.

highplainsdem

(63,055 posts)
13. Anything you have to verify the publisher you had before 2008 should
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 11:30 PM
Feb 2023

still help with a query letter to avoid the slush pile.

Though query letters are probably being generated by ChatGPT too, dammit.

What a FUBAR mess...

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
3. What a problem. I feel for both editors and aspiring authors.
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 10:54 PM
Feb 2023

Do you recognize ChatGPT generated work right off?

SheltieLover

(81,661 posts)
8. I'd read one article saying the person asked for a plot to be written like Stephen King
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 11:04 PM
Feb 2023

And the bot cranked it right out.

Dunno anything more about it.

How will teachers discern whether students are using this for papers? (Asking rhetorically.)

Nictuku

(4,682 posts)
7. Thank you for taking the time to post all that info
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 11:03 PM
Feb 2023

This is a very interesting topic to me, and I appreciate it.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
15. Now that the book publishing industry
Wed Feb 15, 2023, 11:40 PM
Feb 2023

has reached peak gate-keeper status via market manipulation and corporate consolidation (like so many others) finally --FINALLY-- there is the perfect tool for them to dispense with pesky "content creators" and increase profits for their shareholders.

All these AI advances are quickly showing us how ludicrous a machine it is to reward so few so handsomely.

Harry Potter and the Infinite Monkey Writers.

We welcome writers and artists everywhere to our rapidly growing community of budding revolutionaries!

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