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Andrew Weisman-DOJ policy suggests that Mark Meadows means he is not a target of grand jury (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2023 OP
Why not? He planned the insurrection Funtatlaguy Feb 2023 #1
A target can't be brought in to testify to GJ. mobeau69 Feb 2023 #2
yes they can bigtree Feb 2023 #9
I hope Meadows flip on TFG LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2023 #3
. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #4
Prosecutors on TV have been twisting themselves in knots with their educated guesses. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #5
If he's not a "target", what is he? kentuck Feb 2023 #6
What I understand is only if he testifies before the GJ is he not then triron Feb 2023 #7
Joyce Vance said the opposite on Stephanie Ruhle bigtree Feb 2023 #8
Thank you. I have been trying to explain this. fightforfreedom Feb 2023 #10
Looks like weissmann messed up. triron Feb 2023 #11
it's complicated. He may be right that Meadows isn't a target bigtree Feb 2023 #12
Meadows has been very quiet and that's something associated with a cooperating witness LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2023 #13
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
5. Prosecutors on TV have been twisting themselves in knots with their educated guesses.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 08:50 AM
Feb 2023

They give opposing views all the time. I know, I have watched them do it.

kentuck

(112,539 posts)
6. If he's not a "target", what is he?
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 10:01 AM
Feb 2023

Has he been offered some sort of immunity already?

If so, why would they need to subpoena him? Wouldn't he just voluntarily show up?

Interesting.

bigtree

(89,635 posts)
8. Joyce Vance said the opposite on Stephanie Ruhle
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 10:46 AM
Feb 2023

...said he could very well be a target.

That targets are sometimes compelled to come before grand juries.

a sample target letter taken right from the U.S. Attorneys’ Criminal Resource Manual:

This letter is supplied to a witness scheduled to appear before the federal Grand Jury in order to provide helpful background information about the Grand Jury. The Grand Jury consists of from sixteen to twenty-three persons from the District of ___. It is their responsibility to inquire into federal crimes which may have been committed in this District.

As a Grand Jury witness you will be asked to testify and answer questions, and to produce records and documents. Only the members of the Grand Jury, attorneys for the United States and a stenographer are permitted in the Grand Jury room while you testify.

We advise you that the Grand Jury is conducting an investigation of possible violations of federal criminal laws involving, but not necessarily limited to _______*. You are advised that the destruction or alteration of any document required to be produced before the grand jury constitutes serious violation of federal law, including but not limited to Obstruction of Justice.

You are advised that you are a target of the Grand Jury’s investigation. You may refuse to answer any question if a truthful answer to the question would tend to incriminate you. Anything that you do or say may be used against you in a subsequent legal proceeding. If you have retained counsel, who represents you personally, the Grand Jury will permit you a reasonable opportunity to step outside the Grand Jury room and confer with counsel if you desire.


Weissman, with all of his experience, has been loose with the facts of this investigation in several instances. Old enough to remember when he claimed there wasn't an investigation into the Trump WH at all, at a time when there were open moves from Lisa Monaco when she came onboard to secure evidence like cell phones and other communications, not to mention the DOJ's financial probe that began in 2021.

Grain of salt with these tv pundits who feel the need to cover their mistaken characterizations of the mostly secret Garland probe with suggestions DOJ has been too slow or unfocused.
 

fightforfreedom

(4,913 posts)
10. Thank you. I have been trying to explain this.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:04 AM
Feb 2023

Prosecutors have been tying themselves in knots when appearing on the news. They contradict each other. They are all making educated guesses.

bigtree

(89,635 posts)
12. it's complicated. He may be right that Meadows isn't a target
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:47 AM
Feb 2023

...there are several reasons he may have been subpoenaed at this point.

They may want testimony, they may be seeking documents he's withholding under privilege claims.

DOJ may already have him in some sort of cooperation agreement where he's unwilling to voluntarily offer up some portion of evidence claiming some privilege, and they offer him cover, or use the GJ under threat of him becoming a target to compel testimony.

Or something else...

Weissmann's blanket statement was false, though, and gives the wrong impression about the likely state of Meadows' jeopardy or cooperation with DOJ, whatever the case may be. We just have no way of knowing unless Meadows or someone associated with him reveals something in public.

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