Anyone Hear What Katyal Just Said ON Deadline Whitehouse?

[gab13by13]

Neal Katyal just said that DOJ should have investigated the fake electors on Jan. 7, 2021. He went on to say that we can't keep relying on local and state officials to save our democracy, if the people behind the insurgency are not held accountable they will do it again.

Lots of discussion about how Trump's strategy of delay has worked for so long.

Neal Just read a post from Trump on his social media platform. Trump said thanks to the brave people of Georgia, total exoneration for me.

Just wish that more people had access to Deadline Whitehouse.

[cilla4progress]

1. I heard Katyal say this last night -

Garland's foot-dragging is damaging

Glenn Kirschner, who I also highly respect, says the same thing.

I'm trying to sustain hope...

And what's with the exoneration bs? More verbal diarrhea?

[onecaliberal]

3. He's not foot dragging, imo. He never planned on doing anything.

[Rebl2]

11. Yep

[Evolve Dammit]

40. sure looks that way. Over and over.

[MOMFUDSKI]

54. There

ya go!

[True Blue American]

10. I think all these retired experts are

Impressed with hearing themselves. I have to wonder when they sleep. Keep in mind it is all opinions from ex who do not have t(e evidence Garland and Smith do. They are giving opinions, not facts!

[Cheezoholic]

16. Neal is NOT retired

You can hire him for 2500 bucks an hour

[onecaliberal]

26. He's arguing for democracy at the Supreme Court. So yeah.

[onenote]

53. You exaggerate -- I read it was only $2465 an hour

for him to represent Johnson & Johnson in a civil suit where the company was being sued for selling talcum baby powder with carcinogens.

[Cheezoholic]

68. I'm well aware of his resume n/t

[True Blue American]

66. That explains why he is on every show that will. Have him.:)

But none of them have the evidence Smith, Garland and the prosecutors, even the Grand jury have. It is all opinions.

I just heard the Republican field called,” NICCI AND BOOTSIE!”

[onecaliberal]

71. I will believe my lying eyes and ears. Sorry, but I watched that murdering POS commit crimes.

We all did. I heard the phone call with with the GA SOS. Acting like we don't know for sure what he did is complete BS. If you had done any one of the thousand things trump did, you would be in prison right now. Or maybe you're a rich white man who isn't subject to the american legal system either.

[onenote]

51. Exactly. They love the fact that there is an audience that eats up whatever they shell out.

[onecaliberal]

2. I wish the department of justice wasn't sleeping while hundreds of people are STILL trying to

overthrow the government.

[Beastly Boy]

7. This doesn't seem to be referring to Katyal's statement.

If this is the reference to the present, what is your evidence that DOJ is sleeping?

[Ocelot II]

4. I heard that, and it surprised me a bit because the DoJ was still controlled by

the Trump administration on 1/6 and until 1/20 - and Garland wasn't confirmed as AG until March 11, which is the very soonest he could have ordered anything to be done. I don't know why Katyal thinks the DoJ would have acted while TFG was still in office, or that administratively it could have taken significant action until an AG was appointed. Maybe Garland didn't act as fast as he should have, but how many Trump holdovers were still working for DoJ and throwing sand in the gears when he took over in March of 2021?

[sheshe2]

9. +1

[gab13by13]

12. His point was that the fake electors

was serious enough to have been investigated early on. Of course DOJ should have investigated the fake electors on 1/7/2021 no matter who the AG was, is the entire department corrupted?

[ProfessorGAC]

21. I Think You Answered Your Own Question

Your question at the end seems the most logical explanation to why it was not instantaneously investigated. They're not going to investigate crimes to which they were connected.
Combine that with the inertia of "tradition" when it comes to pursuing political crimes and we have corruption reinforced by indifference.

[Ocelot II]

23. While TFG was still in office it is unlikely that such an investigation could have proceeded.

Barr had resigned on 12/23/2020 and was replaced by Jeffrey Rosen. To his credit, Rosen had threatened to resign if TFG appointed his stooge Clark as AG, and he did prosecute a number of the 1/6 insurrectionists before he left two weeks later, but the matter of the fake electors was too close to TFG himself. It is also a lot more factually complicated than prosecuting the dirtbags who invaded the Capitol. His replacement was an acting AG, Monty Wilkinson.

[central scrutinizer]

27. TFG was still POTUS on Jan. 7, 2021

He had packed every department with toadies. And purposely gummed up the transition to Biden.

[MagickMuffin]

14. You'd think Katyal would know better

Because that’s what I immediately thought, Biden nor Garland were part of the government.


Ah well if he tweeted this at least we could correct him.

[inthewind21]

22. Bingo!

[Evolve Dammit]

42. That was 2 years ago. Enough time to extract the sand?

[onecaliberal]

43. The trump people should have been let go as soon as Garland was confirmed and could do a review.

There is zero excuse for why any of these people are still serving in the Biden admin. They will make it easier for the next coup attempt coming in 2024.

[Kingofalldems]

5. Same thing every day-multiple times a day.

These 'Trump is invincible' posts got old years ago.

[Scrivener7]

29. Trump being invincible got old years ago.

[onecaliberal]

45. THIS ALL DAY LONG

[Beastly Boy]

6. I don't understand Katyal

Choosing elector is delegated by the Constitution to state governments. Wouldn't federal interference in states' affairs require, at the very least, that the states request assistance from DOJ?

[Cheezoholic]

8. Neal has been getting increasingly and obviously frustrated

over the last few weeks I've noticed. There has been a big change in his demeanor from the optimism he had at the beginning of the year when Willis was trying to keep the GJ report from being released and the charges are imminent statement. I think he really believed that something would've come out of GA by now and I've heard him quoted as he expects something from DOJ by April.

I value his opinion a lot as via his experience and understanding of the upper echelon of the judicial system he knows how long this shit takes and how important it is to have your ducks in a row before dropping the hammer. IMO the info he imparts on what is going on in these investigations is a bell weather I put a lot of weight on. While I still think justice is coming, his overall demeanor lately tends to makes one nervous.

[gab13by13]

13. In regard to ducks in a row,

Katyal (not today) also said you almost have to try to lose a case against Trump.

[snowybirdie]

15. Getting so turned off

by the same experts calling for the same things month after month. While the experts on MSNBC are smart and well meaning, they are getting very repetitive and tiring. Sick of all the talk about what might or should happen. I guess I'm just frustrated watching cable news. Need to take another hobby.

[gab13by13]

17. Discussion just had on why Garland passed on indicting individual one.

He had 6 months to indict before the statute of limitations expired. Even wait and see'er Barbara McQuade had no explanation as to why Garland passed. Her only theory was that Garland wanted to charge something bigger, in other words, it was a political decision.

[Duppers]

32. There was an argument here

Merrick Garland even dragged his feet on prosecuting Steve Bannon for defying a Congressional subpoena.

He was the wrong man for the job.

[Evolve Dammit]

47. And Bannon is free as a bird, podcasting his seditionist bullshit to millions for fun and profit. nt

[Alice Kramden]

59. Terrible that Bannon

Is allowed to do this

[Evolve Dammit]

60. Fuck Bannon. I'm thinking you are OK with his desire to overthrow democracy Alice?

[Evolve Dammit]

61. Sorry if you were sincere in your post.

[Alice Kramden]

65. I was

[Evolve Dammit]

70. Truly sorry.

[WA-03 Democrat]

33. Nothing to see here

Just keep riding bye.

Delay
Delay
Delay
I've got a tee time today!

[bigtree]

64. why, when there's this breaking news, is someone grousing about the Mueller report?

...if someone wanted to sow the seeds of discouragement among Trump opponents, they couldn't do much better than these supposed allies in this fight against him.

This falderal about Mueller and individual one has nothing to do with today's GJ report release, and everything with this need some have demonstrated to bash Garland at every point where he makes progress.

[fightforfreedom]

18. If it was on Deadline Whitehouse it must be true.

You very well know I could find other respected prosecutors who have said the opposite of Katyal on many of his opinions. You know that's true. For many months we have watched prosecutors give opposing views on the news. I watch deadline. I have watched it happen.

Katyal is frustrated like everyone else. Katyal is offering educated guesses, opinions, like everyone else. Just because he believes something doesn't make it so.

Katyal saying the DOJ should have started investigating the fake electors on Jan 7th is out of character for him. He is usually more measured in his statements. That's a little over the top for him.

[gab13by13]

20. I certainly am aware that you can find numerous anonymous prosecutors.

[fightforfreedom]

25. Now you are getting ridiculous. You know prosecutors on the news give opposing views.

[gab13by13]

30. I do not watch other cable news,

Today Nicolle didn't talk about balloons, didn't talk about Nikki Haley, didn't talk about Hunter Biden. I will listen to Stephanie Miller and Thom Hartmann.

[fightforfreedom]

56. Maybe you should expand where you get your news from. You may be putting yourself in a news bubble.

That would explain things.

[Scrivener7]

62. Maybe you should see if you can conduct a conversation without ad hominems.

I won't hold my breath.

[gab13by13]

19. Discussion now about McGonigal,

the guy who took money from Derepaska.

[fightforfreedom]

24. I have said this before.

You attack Garland/ DOJ more than you attack Trump. That is the truth. Nothing personnel, I am simply letting you know you constantly attack Garland. You even attack Garland when people inform you that you are incorrect about what you are attacking Garland for.

People can post what they want. People can complain about Garland. Your attacks on Garland are off the charts.

[gab13by13]

28. Be more specific,

Garland is an honest, reputable man who would have made a fine SC justice.

I attack what Garland does or doesn't do eg: I want you to find one of your anonymous prosecutors and explain why Garland chose not to indict an unindicted co-conspirator, individual one? I criticize Garland for not indicting Trump while you defend Garland for not indicting Trump and I am the Trump supporter? Give me a break. I criticize Garland for taking too long to investigate Trump, you defend him.

[brush]

34. Good post. Nicely reasoned.

[fightforfreedom]

52. Someones saying I defend Garland for not indicting Trump is nicely reasoned?

It's nicely crazy.

[brush]

57. You have your opinion, I have mine.

Garland could've indicted trump on the MAL docs case months ago as it's obviously obstruction of justice. There's the unindicted co-conspirator/Michael Cohen case that's also low hanging fruit. Indicting trump on either doesn't preclude him from charging trump later on any of a myriad of other apparent crimes, including the fake electors.

[fightforfreedom]

48. I do not defend Garland for not indicting Trump. That's crazy.

I do not defend Garland for taking too long. I have said Garland has been in office for less than two years. I have said this is the largest investigation in our history. An investigation less than two years years old does not prove Garland is taking too long. I always point out nobody knows why Garland has done things the way he has done them. Only he can explain it. We don't hear his side of the story on all the things he is being accused of. There may be very good reasons why he has done things a certain way people don't agree with. We may learn he made mistakes. nobody knows yet. That's how I have been defending Garland.

I did not say you are a Trump supporter. I said you attack Garland more then you attack Trump, which is true in my opinion.

[WA-03 Democrat]

35. Your patience for Garland is off the charts

Seriously, consider the fact that maybe nothing will be done is the plan along - like just running out the clock simple. I don't know the reason but the direction of the wind is Trump and his minions get off Rick Scott like free. Extend the SOL or STFU.

There is no equal justice in our country.

Face it and fight to fix it is my objective.

[Evolve Dammit]

49. agreed

[fightforfreedom]

55. Waiting for the investigations to end before I judge things is of the charts patience?????

All the evidence suggests the investigations are closer to the end than the beginning. They are all moving full steam ahead. Indictments are coming in Georgia and I am supposed to give up. Live a life of doom and gloom, A life of giving up all hope. A life complaining about every dam thing. A life blaming people for things that may or may not be true. No thanks, I will remain patient and hopeful.

[WA-03 Democrat]

69. Your criticisms of others are true for you as well

You have no insider knowledge of any of these cases. To me - it’s full steam ahead to no where. It’s legal theater. Nothing will happen.

Trump kill the law by raping the DOJ and installing his minions. President Biden will not hack the justice department to reset it to before Bill Barr. DOJ and FBI have always been repuke run.

Name the time that Justice has been served with Trump?

I am sure equal justice does not exist.
This country was founded on the rule of law and we clear have “rich person” and “poor person” justice system. Also a clear division by race.

Trump is recorded on call with the GA SOS asking for the exact number of votes he needs 2 years ago. Trump signs the check and pays Stormy. Trump has 5 pallets of top secret documents at his pool club while the DOJ begs him to return them for a year. Trump is recorded on live tv trying to over throw the government. These are just a few samplings of his wrong doing. He’ll never pay a price. Be hopeful but not blind. Our system had already failed and is failing us. I want reform and accountability.

[Fiendish Thingy]

31. So Katayal thinks Bill Barr would've opened an investigation into Trump?

Katayal loses credibility every time he opens his mouth- if he keeps it up, he will soon lower himself to the level of human clickbait Michael Cohen.

[WA-03 Democrat]

36. That is funny

Human Clickbait!

[gab13by13]

38. Why say something silly?

Katyal never said that. Katyal's point was clear to me, the fake elector scheme was so serious that it should have been investigated as soon as possible.

As far as I am concerned, DOJ should not have had to wait for a criminal referral from Michigan. Using my noggin, when the Michigan SOS sent a referral about her fake electors that's a pretty good tell that DOJ was not involved.

Not just Katyal, when Adam Schiff asks the question, why is Fani Willis so far ahead of DOJ, is he just attacking Merrick Garland or is he worried that people need to be held accountable to stop the ongoing insurrection?

[live love laugh]

44. ✔️ Basically it's Biden Bashing

[True Blue American]

67. Thank you!

I turn off Cohen when he comes on. He knew he was breaking laws for Trump. Now he is angry because he went to jail. Trump is sitting in Florida. The flunkies usually pay.

[Autumn]

37. Yep. That fucker will sleep well tonight.

[LymphocyteLover]

39. "total exoneration"??? Damn, I hate asshole's gaslighting so much

[soldierant]

41. I agree with Neal in principle but disagree on one small detail.

On January7, Trump** was still President. and I shudder to think how much evidence they might have destroyed before anyone could stop them.

I would have said Jnuary 21 at the earliest.

[live love laugh]

46. They hoped you'd forgotten that.

[gab13by13]

50. He shouldn't be taken literally,

His point was that the fake elector scheme was so serious that it should have been investigated by DOJ way before it was, DOJ even waited for a criminal referral from Michigan.

It is harder to gather evidence to convict the longer DOJ waits to investigate.

Look what we found out from Cassidy Hutchinson (the J6 committee discovered it) Trump was providing lawyers for the witnesses and coaching them to say they don't remember. The longer DOJ waits the more time the crooks have to stick to a story, memories fade, data is lost. What do I know? We can always GOTV.

[fightforfreedom]

58. Why don't you contact Biden and tell him he failed by picking Garland.

Let me know what Biden says to you.

[onecaliberal]

72. If trump and those who planned the coup are not held accountable, people will stop voting.

You can't expect anyone to take the process seriously when the law is only for the poor and politically powerless. If you broke the fucking law, you should go to jail. PERIOD.

[bigtree]

63. love that this post elevates Trump's blabbering here like someone should care

...flailing aroung Trump's desperate lies doesn't make your case against Merrick Garland's DOJ.

I don't know why anyone thinks it does, or ffs why anyone would try and hit DUers over the head with this misinformation from Trump.

As for Katyal, he doesn't know shit about what DOJ was investigating or who they were investigating. He just doesn't have access to that information.

The really shitty thing he did here was substitute the actual DOJ investigation with the fantasy one in his head.

[Silent3]

73. For those quibbling about Jan. 7, 2021 being before Biden's term began...

...Katyal's point still holds about the delay being way, way too long.

If Barr and Trump's corruption of the DoJ prevented an investigation of fake electors as soon as 1/7/2021, why not 2/7/2021 or 3/7/2021?

Katyal is not in the slightest bit ignorant about how quickly a willing and able DoJ can respond when motivated to do so.