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I'd generally vote for someone who has made it through major depression (or continues to fight it) vs. voting for just about anyone else. The same goes for people who have faced enormous heartache in their lives (ie: Joe Biden's familial losses).
I've battled major depression officially for 24 years, and was most likely undiagnosed for many years before that.
It never really goes away, but once it is controlled, you're a better and stronger person than you ever thought you were. When your depression is controlled, after having it for many years, you see the world differently. You see people differently. You're more empathetic to the plight of others. You're stronger, and you're wiser. You're gentler. You made it through the worst battle of your life, and you carry a sense of pride for making it through that battle.
In short, you become a better human being, or maybe you just recognize and take pride in the fact that you always were a great human being, only you never recognized it before.
I encourage anyone suffering with depression to seek treatment. I encourage you to understand that how you view yourself while depressed is not how others see you. You are valuable, and you are only feeling the way you do because you have an illness. And that illness results in your brain trying to kill you. That's all depression is, in obvious layman's terms.
People who have depression travel to hell and back quite frequently. They are strong people, and they deserve our high respect, not our pity. And the people who succumb to the ravages of this illness deserve our high respect as well, because it was an illness that killed them, just like other illnesses sometimes kill.
Depressed people are not crazy. Quite the opposite in fact. Depression is an illness like any other, and the supposed "stigma" that some people equate to it is misinformed bullshit.
Fetterman has recovered from a stroke, he takes things to heart, and he's been under tremendous stress. I think he's going to be alright. He's doing what he needs to do to mend himself. And I think he will prove to be a tremendously talented senator. And if it happens that his depression treatment does not improve his condition to the point where he can work, it's our loss, but he will still be a person to be loved and admired.
SheltieLover
(80,454 posts)mopinko
(73,726 posts)ive battled it off and on myself. starting the crawl out of the hole of the last few yrs.
thing is, it wasnt my life that was a problem. it was a subtle autoimmune disease, and lasting crap from a head injury.
dont assume someone is suffering from bad life choices or troubles in this plane. i knew right away it was connected to the stroke.
brains r so complicated. u cant assume a damn thing.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)juvenile diabetes.
It doesn't affect my cognitive abilities, but it did cause my depression.
I'm a firm believer that most depression has a physical cause which impacts the brain in any number of ways.
I wish you the best, mopinko.
mopinko
(73,726 posts)we must stop treating it as its own disease and realize its a symptom for many of us.
the most disruption it has caused in my life is the belief that its life thats the prob, and i should change it.
best to u too lc.
lark
(26,081 posts)I had 2 head traumas within a 6 week period, it severely pinched my spinal cord in 3 places so had to have neck surgery and was very near death. The long time worst part, though, was my head. I broke both occipital nerves and had blinding headaches every time I was in the light outside. My head & eyes hurt so bad, I had trouble thinking and could not drive. So 4-1/2 years later, I can be in the sun with strong sunglasses and feel mostly normal, but not quite as sharp as before. I still get headaches that last for days when I go outside and get too much light in my eyes. Right now the 2 sides of my head are throbbing from getting the cat inside without glasses on first. And this was at 8 am. Damn!
mopinko
(73,726 posts)mine was as a kid, head bashed w a baseball bat. an accident.
didnt figure out til about 10 yrs ago that the hallucinations i had as a kid were seizures. had them for a decade.
it wasnt til late 2019 that hi dose edibles cleared up a laundry list of little shit that i always just thought was just me. like tripping over my own 2 feet. and muscle spasms that caused pain and a flat voice. its been weird.
i hope theres some hope out there for you to keep improving. hang in there.
lark
(26,081 posts)Man, accidents can really mess you up, guess we are lucky the body heals as well as it does or we both might be goners. Also thankful for the helpfullness of some pot and pot products. I don't think my head nerves will get any better at this point, I just have to get better at managing it and always remember to put on sunglasses before I go outside. I also got a very large non-slip mat for the bathroom & one for the shower so haven't fallen since I had the 2 incidents in 2019.
Hopefully both of us can manage our brain symptoms and thrive!
mopinko
(73,726 posts)watching all the docs looking at long covid and going- oh, post viral bullshit is REAL!
shit rly went off the cliff in 2002 when i got west nile. the side eye from the docs can b as bad as the symptoms.
but virtuous cycles r a thing. getting rid of the muscle cramps meant my yoga practice was finally solid. i still occasionally get cramps in my toes, which makes yoga rly hard, but it used to make it impossible some days. and i dont get the blow back the next day.
exercise and a new puppy have me in a pretty good place atm.
lark
(26,081 posts)My walks with my husband & dog every morning, physical therapy exercises a few times a week, 3 fur babies and smoking pot in the afternoon & evening make life a lot better than it would otherwise be.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)The feds should be pouring money into studying it, especially for neurological conditions. I gave it to my parents for dementia (one to help with dementia and cancer, the other to prevent dementia even though the science is still out).
calimary
(90,017 posts)Collimator
(2,118 posts)Much appreciation and respect.
To lark, I have to ask, can you see ghosts now? (It's sort of the premise of a current TV show.)
Again, my heart goes to everyone who struggles with depression and other mental health challenges. I often feel broken and useless, and it never helps when some people suggest, even subtly, that maybe I'm just a teeny bit lazy. There was a time in my life when I was always happy to do whatever I could for others. Now, there are spans of days or weeks when I can barely manage the most basic functions for myself.
Just saw this smilie--boy, there are times when it just like this:
(The cross doesn't quite work for me though.)
Nope a trauma to the head only causes problems.
Native
(7,359 posts)related depression. We were told that it is very common for stroke victims to suffer from depression, and that it is definitely tied to the damage from the stroke.
deurbano
(2,986 posts)Except for the depression, the stroke mostly caused significant physical limitations, and he was mentally sharp (to the extent Fox viewers can be considered "sharp" ) until he died at 91. He was always a selfish, cranky asshole, too (before and after the stroke)... except for a brief period (a year or two) right after the stroke. We thought maybe he'd finally developed an appreciation for others (and their support), but that was short lived.
My dad suffered a major stroke in 1964. He was paralyzed on his right side and could not speak. He would have bouts of crying and you could see by his expressions that he was so depressed. His doctor prescribed an antidepressant and within a few short weeks his demeanor changed dramatically. After that he was a joy to his whole family. He lived for nine more years and I miss him to this day. I also suffer from depression and take an antidepressant. Made all the difference in my life.
Botany
(77,323 posts)As did Abe Lincoln and they got a hell of a lot
done too. Just for what Senator Fetterman and his
spouse got done for the hurting people and communities
in post industrial PA they are success stories. I'll take
the big guy in the black sweat shirt with his medical/bio-
chemical fluxes over some shit like Josh Holly any day.
Thanx for Posting.
https://ibpf.org/winston-churchill-and-mental-illness/
There is real greatness in that man. read his wiki page
peppertree
(23,342 posts)Never a good idea.
Botany
(77,323 posts).... up to 8' up on the wall. Winston noted that the ceilings were 20' feet high and said something like,
"Thank you. Think of all the more room I will have to go to make it to the top."
Whatever his foibles, Churchill knew how to laugh at himself - which always helps with depression (and so much else!).
That said, alcohol's probably the worst thing for depression - and so much else.
Botany
(77,323 posts)He once said that little kids are his demographic sweet spot because
with his big ears and long face he looked like a cartoon character.
Now Trump really is bat shit crazy because he pays money to look like some kind of freak. How could anybody dress and get made up like he does and look into the mirror and say, "Now that is a good look?"
I had never heard that Obama quote - but it's both sweet and funny.
His way of saying: "Don't let having 'different' looks limit you in any way."
As for Cheeto - he goes to show that there are few things more laughable than a buffoon, but with an attitude.
Like the Nazis in Hogan's Heroes.
He knew Nazing.
Botany
(77,323 posts)Obama: Children like me
By BYRON TAU
01/06/2012 02:28 PM EST
Via CBS's Mark Knoller, President Obama took a little time to chat about kids over lunch today with the winners of a campaign contest.
"I do very well with that demographic," he said. "They think I look like a cartoon character with big ears."
https://www.politico.com/blogs/politico44/2012/01/obama-children-like-me-109875
BTW President Obama might have taken years off his life meeting w/all the Sandy Hook Parents and the Families of the
Teachers who had their loved ones killed @ Christmas. He went all grey in under a month after that. He would be briefed
about who was coming in to see him and then meet w/them and after 3 or so visits he would go out to the hall and cry,
smoke a cigarette, and then pull himself together to meet more of the families.

peppertree
(23,342 posts)It around then that I realized that yes, he probably would be re-elected.
Especially after watching the clown car that had been unfolding on the GOP side.
The 2012 GOP clown car was probably their first "modern" nomination fight - in the sense that, for the first time, most of the cast were real, unreconstructed fascists of the kind that utterly dominates the party now.
They were very lucky in 2012: they ended up with Romney.
No such luck now.
They'll be lucky to end up with someone who doesn't openly advocate violence (but only privately).
Jarqui
(10,908 posts)medical help is the right thing to do and far more likely to result in a good outcome than being MTG/Sarah Palin ignorant and doing nothing about it.
That's the low bar for comparison.
Fetterman strikes me as one of the most decent members of Congress.
Congress and the country needs him healthy.
I'm sorry he's going through this and wish him the best.
Doing what he is going, the odds are he'll be ok and able to resume his life.
A bunch on the other side seem to need some sort of mental health treatment and are not going for it.
cstamm53
(58 posts)A brave and honest man!
LittleGirl
(8,999 posts)You really captured how I feels about the subject of depression. My Mother was depressed most of her life and it affected our relationship. I have had therapy twice and the only reason I dont have one now is because the medication didnt help and my therapist was terrible. Sending cyber hugs your way.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)I spent my entire teenage years calling to my mother through her closed bedroom door. She locked herself in there for months. I thought she was mad at me.
Then one day I realized that she wasn't mad at me, she was sick with depression. I got her some help, and she lived a long life.
I miss her...she was an incredible woman.
brewens
(15,359 posts)I had problems with getting seriously depressed when reminded of some heartbreaking events in the past.
I told my therapist that part of my inspirations for seeking help was The Sopranos. If Tony could see a "shrink", I figured next time I hit a rough patch, I would ask to see a therapist. It was a good idea.
I'm on Celexa and one unexpected effect is I don't seem to want to drink. I saw it is also used to treat alcoholism. I don't drink very often but every few months I like to walk to one of the bars within range and have a few. I think about it and just decide I don't really feel like it. Kind of weird but I guess it saves me a little money and a hangover.
LuckyCharms
(22,648 posts)I was on so many brain drugs that drinking made me sick, so I just stopped drinking.
Now, I don't take any brain drugs, and still don't drink. No desire to, don't miss it.
Best wishes to you.
Pinback
(13,600 posts)I drank to drown my sorrows, but the damned things learned how to swim.
Beautiful OP, and a great thread. Thank you.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)So my sis and I were the ones in our immediate family who got fratzed. She also got the severe social anxiety disorder that curtailed our uncles career curtailed her career as well.
A couple of years back we had a phone chat about the Black Dog, and I told her it has its own doggy door in my house which made her laugh.
Emile
(42,289 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)dlk
(13,247 posts)Despite Republicans sadistic efforts to drag us backward into false stereotypes and mass ignorance. I applaud his bravery and wish him well in his recovery
cornball 24
(1,580 posts)dlk
(13,247 posts)Hes not afraid to do the hard work and as welcome, much-needed voice in the senate, he will be great!
cornball 24
(1,580 posts)and MPP from Harvard is pretty darn impressive as well. For the first time in quite awhile, I see Pennsylvania heading in the right direction.
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)"I'm John Fetterwoman!"
And the flags. My God, the flags!: https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/540323-pennsylvania-lt-gov-replaces-banned-weed-lgbtq-rights-flags-with-bigger/
I love this guy and I know he'll take this glitch in stride.
UTUSN
(77,795 posts)twodogsbarking
(18,779 posts)Goddessartist
(2,176 posts)I've been hospitalized for depression, and a heart attack just over 6 months ago, and am just the past week feeling almost normal again. It's difficult sometimes to reach out for help, but it's so important. I admire him very much, and agree with everything you have said.
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Depression is common after stroke, affecting approximately one third of stroke survivors at any one time after stroke! Only 5-15% of the general population suffers depression.
The only thing I do not understand is why he told anyone the reason for being admitted. It really is none of our business.
GB_RN
(3,560 posts)Also very common after a heart attack. A good cardiologist will prescribe an antidepressant or refer his patient to a behavioral health specialist.
Wild blueberry
(8,295 posts)Some of my dear friends have dealt with depression for years. Kindness matters.
KPN
(17,376 posts)bless your heart Lucky Charm and everyone who posted on this thread. Not only Fetterman, but DUers are amazingly wise, strong, and good people.
CaptainTruth
(8,200 posts)ancianita
(43,307 posts)Even when chemicals cause depression, often that comes from experiencing, even witnessing trauma, loss, and grief.
My old therapist: "There are two kinds of people in the world -- those who have problems and know it, and those who have problems and don't know it."
Krishnamurti says: "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
The caste stresses, and the loss, harm, and damage that ripple out to us should be zeroed in on, rather than just the depressed persons who are appropriately responding. No one chooses to be depressed because of chemical imbalance or societal sicknesses.
But many who adapt to a sickened, weakened society end up sicker by many measures than the depressed -- they choose to focus on the causes of depression in others, even project, rather than "look in the mirror" as Swalwell told Republicans. They choose easy judgment of those more attuned to the whole of reality than they.
They prolong the sick society and others' suffering.
Your encouragement makes humanity progress. Thank you.
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spanone
(141,609 posts)lees1975
(7,046 posts)No image, no phony smile, no pretending, no posturing. I lived in the Pittsburgh area when he was the Mayor of Braddock, and when he says he's working for the people, that's what he means and what he does. When he was Lieutenant Governor, he was the guy to whom the voters related and the go-to guy for the Governor who credited Fetterman with his very successful two-terms in the teeth of a Republican controlled legislature. I think one of the reasons he was so successful in this Senate campaign is that when his opponent attacked what he perceived to be his weakness, which was his speaking ability after his stroke, he attacked exactly what was attracting voters to Fetterman.
He's the kind of "man of the people" that Trumpies try to make out of Trump, but fail miserably. Fetterman is a true populist.
I wish him a speedy recovery and a successful senate career.
c-rational
(3,203 posts)judesedit
(4,592 posts)Thank you writing this. I had depression for many years when younger, found the treatment good for me and am no longer using anti depressents and couldn't be more stable or happier now. Like you, I didn't even realize I was depressed. Mine was caused by a biological default in my brain with my nerve cells not transmitting and receiving efficiently. I'm so glad Senator Fetterman didn't ignore it.
NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)Depression is insidious. Three years ago now I had to stop working. In my mid 50s with a great career going, it finally caught up with me. While my PTSD from the service ended me up on VA 100% Disability and SSDI, the Major Depression is the worst. Decades of on and off treatment and all they can do is call it "treatment resistant." I'd try Ketamine if the VA offered it where I live. Just the other day I was very low and had thoughts that were very dark, my dog snapped me out of it and my weekly therapist appointment helped. Even did some crying.
I'm really proud of Senator Fetterman. Going public about something so personal is brave. He will show people that mental health is nothing to be embarrassed about. Whatever the reason for his depression, from family to health to trauma, whatever is underlying it, he's doing a service for all Americans. He is showing even someone battling something like this can do something and contribute. Good for him.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,371 posts)A stroke is a head injury, just as much as if someone took a ball bat and hit him upside the head. People who have head injuries are prone to depression. Sen. Fetterman seeking treatment for depression is not a sign of weakness, but a sign of STRENGTH. He was strong enough to know he needed help. Go Jawn!
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,847 posts)wryter2000
(47,940 posts)Think of all the idiots in Congress who need psychiatric help but deny there's anything wrong with them. Those are the people to keep out of office.
happy feet
(1,279 posts)For your message and sharing your lived experience.
iemanja
(57,757 posts)Which is all too common here.
elleng
(141,926 posts)wendyb-NC
(4,691 posts)You are so right.
I'm rooting for John, he cares deeply about the things that this country faces, and beyond. He wants to uphold our democracy, and make life better for all. I hope he gets excellent care and treatment and is able to manage it well in the future, so he can move forward with his hopes and plans as a senator.
summer_in_TX
(4,168 posts)on this thread. Compassionate, wise, encouraging.
I don't know if anyone caught Jason Kander being interviewed on PBS about Fetterman's announcement. He has been dealing with his own depression, in his case caused by PTSD. I've been a fan of his for awhile. Not that what he says holds a candle to Lucky Charms' post here from his own personal experience, but it does reinforce it.
Couldn't find just a clip of that interview, but of the whole hour. This should start in the right place. But stop it when that interview is done.
https://www.youtube.com/live/cgVIVpBMIdI?feature=share&t=2406
mvd
(65,912 posts)My best wishes to Senator Fetterman. He did the right thing and he should just take the time to get better. That is his focus.
Depression is terrible and hard. My mom has it. I never was a depressive person but now get bouts of it due to what my mom and I have been through. Your post is very encouraging.
MustLoveBeagles
(16,402 posts)hamsterjill
(17,577 posts)I hope he will do what is necessary to be healthy again, both physically and mentally. I am certain that it took a LOT of strength to admit he needed help especially being an elected official and in the public eye.
That said, treatment is not usually quick and easy and it may very well be that the best thing for him is to concentrate on his recovery. It may be that holding office is too much to deal with at this point in his life. Thats just reality and it may or may not come to that. Whatever the answer, he needs to do what is necessary to be whole.
calimary
(90,017 posts)Hes been open about this. Hasnt tried to hide it. Thats a good thing.
He can be the proof of survival, and of recovery. Of triumph over adversity. He is uniquely position to inspire. Its a gift - even if a back-handed one. I hope he makes wise use of it.
JudyM
(29,785 posts)
results in your brain trying to kill you. Powerful statement.
We need more research into this
theres damned too much siphoning of tax dollars by republicans.
Appreciate your openness/truth and wishing you continued positivity!
bluboid
(845 posts)crickets
(26,168 posts)and thanks to all who have contributed to this thread.
IbogaProject
(5,913 posts)I recall an account of orientation for new DC legislators and the focus from day one is fundraising and how to court lobbyist. So maybe that on top of his health challenges and maybe just the rough big city life. Way more hectic than Harrisburg. I wish him well.
Mopar151
(10,348 posts)If we are talking mimums, DaMan iin s medically induced coma is a better man than Ted Cruz dressed for business
Upthevibe
(10,180 posts)Thank you so much for sharing your incredible insight.
RandySF
(84,263 posts)FirstLight
(15,771 posts)It's the ones who have endured despite the odds. The ones who know what it's like to be at the end of the last thread and somehow find their way back..that is the stuff that breaks down all those beliefs and judgements.
While I dont wish trauma and despair on those in power who are privileged...wait, yes I do.
Yeah, I wish Senator Fetterman the best - And when he comes out of the other side may he be a force to be reckoned with for those who have mental health issues across all spectrums.
MetalMama
(83 posts)I've been at war with major depression my entire adult life (I'm 63). My first suicide attempt was at 17, the last one at 50. I've been undiagnosed, misdiagnosed, and finally correctly diagnosed.
I've been on Celexa for 12 years and, it has literally saved my life. I wouldn't be here otherwise. Talk therapy has been pretty hit or miss. I am no longer trying to find a therapist. Fortunately, my daughter has a degree in psychology and is always willing to talk with me.
There's a terrific video of a lecture on depression by Professor Robert Sapolsky at Stanford. He explains many of the different aspects of depression. He even talks about someone who had a heart attack and then developed depression. I watch the video every few years just to remind myself that I'm not a failure or crazy.
To anyone who is suffering; keep fighting; you are not alone; you are valuable!
chia
(2,817 posts)so helpful for me, because I unloaded a lifetime on a non-judgmental person unrelated to me, so I could say everything I wanted to say that I could never have said to a family member, since a good chunk of my difficulties pre-diagnosed depression were relationship-related. I also had a serious head injury, and have never considered a connection. Mine was triggered (I think) by tremendous grief. I'm doing okay these days, but life never looked the same to me again. I love Sapolsky, I have a couple of his books but haven't seen his video on depression, so thank you for mentioning it and I'll look for it. Best of everything to you.
chia
(2,817 posts)You are all worthy of high respect, and deepest appreciation.