Sun Feb 19, 2023, 09:33 AM
SouthernDem4ever (4,505 posts)
Everyone's for sale - especially some golfersPaulina Gretzky explains Dustin Johnson's decision to join LIV Golf Well Paulina, did you tell your kids that Daddy is now working for a regime of oil slick royalty with one of the worst human rights records in history? Do you have a daughter? Would you like her to grow up under the regime of those same people paying your husband's check? But who cares, it's someone else, right? more at: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2023/02/18/paulina-gretzky-explains-dustin-johnsons-decision-join-liv-golf/11290460002/
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SouthernDem4ever | Feb 2023 | OP |
ProfessorGAC | Feb 2023 | #1 | |
gab13by13 | Feb 2023 | #5 | |
ProfessorGAC | Feb 2023 | #20 | |
Srkdqltr | Feb 2023 | #2 | |
bucolic_frolic | Feb 2023 | #3 | |
JT45242 | Feb 2023 | #4 | |
Hermit-The-Prog | Feb 2023 | #6 | |
Ferrets are Cool | Feb 2023 | #9 | |
Johnny2X2X | Feb 2023 | #7 | |
Ferrets are Cool | Feb 2023 | #8 | |
gab13by13 | Feb 2023 | #10 | |
gab13by13 | Feb 2023 | #11 | |
303squadron | Feb 2023 | #12 | |
gab13by13 | Feb 2023 | #14 | |
walkingman | Feb 2023 | #13 | |
chowder66 | Feb 2023 | #16 | |
Sneederbunk | Feb 2023 | #15 | |
SouthernDem4ever | Feb 2023 | #17 | |
Sneederbunk | Feb 2023 | #18 | |
SouthernDem4ever | Feb 2023 | #21 | |
Initech | Feb 2023 | #19 |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 09:44 AM
ProfessorGAC (61,057 posts)
1. Some Misleading Reporting
It says Johnson made $75 million in 15 years. That number is wrong. It's over $90 million total golf earnings.
But, more importantly is that the tour raised his profile as a competitor that led to endorsements, appearance fees, and other fees averaging nearly $7 million per year his last 8 years. He didn't make $75 million. He made $145 million! And, he made over 80% of that in his last u years. The article tries to make it out as a financial no-brainer. That's not the case, especially since a lot of the endorsement & appearance money was contingent on tour membership. He's making more money, sure. But, it's not the difference the article purports. What it's really about is getting paid without having to work hard for it. It's his choice of course, but it's nothing as noble as being able to be more present for the family. He had earned enough money to have simply walked away from the game if that was the motivation. He just sold himself to the devil. Nothing more complicated than that. |
Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #1)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:41 AM
gab13by13 (18,070 posts)
5. I wondered if sponsors would start dropping LIV players
but I saw an ad with Brucke Koepka yesterday, they are probably locked in.
They won't get to play for their country in the Ryder Cup and President's Cup. The PGA just won a big court case (it is being appealed) that the LIV backers have to turn over documents showing who is backing them. Most likely the Saudi government. Must be cool to know that they make big Saudi government money for playing 1 less day per tournament and against inferior competition. |
Response to gab13by13 (Reply #5)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 01:13 PM
ProfessorGAC (61,057 posts)
20. I Thought That Too
But, non-golf sponsors apparently have that clause in there, because these guys would be useless to them if not at the profile the Tour provides.
Mickelson lost a handful of sponsors, including SAP. Koepka lost Paychex. I don't blame the companies. If those guys were club pros, who would care about them? It would be promo money stupidly spent. DJ had a contract with TaylorMade that had escalators based on FedEx points. Since he's getting none, the escalators amount to nothing. From what I've read & heard, those contracts are not all locked in. On Edit: In addition to the article getting the earnings wrong, the actual number doesn't count his winning the FedEx cup. So, he actually earned $30 million more for PGA Tour golf than the article states. |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 09:51 AM
Srkdqltr (5,297 posts)
2. So many thoughts about this.
I don't care what they do. Nothing they do helps or hurts me directly.
I'm not into golf. That said what she said is not a reason or justification. The bottom line is money. We all know it. They are bought people like many others. Celebs get paid more because they have a skill the rest of us don't. Different for everyone. I have no idea if it's right or wrong, it just is. |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:05 AM
bucolic_frolic (39,258 posts)
3. The salaries of elites is obscene
Pro sports, Hollywood, CEO's .. all the same. It's all a pyramid. Stimulate the masses and pass the money up the income scale. We're like colonies of ants or bees. Hierarchies. It's a lower foundation for civilization than religion. Almost as low as logic and language. Foundational. The footings of the world.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:34 AM
JT45242 (1,805 posts)
4. Bullshit lying sack of shit
Other than the four majors, golfers largely choose their own schedule with some input from their major sponsors.
She is lying. She is mad because he has lost a shit ton of endorsement money and stands to lose more. Bonesaw promised these golfers to match their previous winnings regardless of performance with appearance fees in fewer tournaments. Dustin and his lying POS wife forgot that golfers make more than twice as much on commercials, endorsement, etc than winnings because there aren't associated costs like travel, caddies. Coached. Etc getting a cut of the commercial money. Apparently, a few sponsors and consumers think that being the lap dog of a guy who listened while a journalist was literally chopped apart while still alive is repulsive. Go to hell you self inflating, worthless piece of shit. DJ will never be called 'iowa nice' again because vivisection is frowned upon here. We wouldn't even do it livestock, and certainly not to Kashoggi. |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:44 AM
Hermit-The-Prog (29,505 posts)
6. There's a very unsavory connection
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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #6)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:49 AM
Ferrets are Cool (20,163 posts)
9. Great post.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:47 AM
Johnny2X2X (17,545 posts)
7. He'll be sorry
The tour is about more than a few big names. LIV is flopping, no one cares about it. LIV will never be anything, its tournaments are meaningless.
Hand out lifetime bans for all PGA events. There are plenty of young stars to carry the sport without DJ, Phil, and Koepka. |
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:48 AM
Ferrets are Cool (20,163 posts)
8. And of course, he "can't" take care of them (kids) on a measly $75 million.
And that doesn't count his endorsements. They are all just greedy rich people...making excuses.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:55 AM
gab13by13 (18,070 posts)
10. I bet most of the defectors are Magats, Good Riddance.
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 10:59 AM
gab13by13 (18,070 posts)
11. There are no losers at LIV tournaments,
every golfer wins money, there is no cut. They all get a participation trophy.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 11:00 AM
303squadron (405 posts)
12. They are all effing traitors
Ask the 9/11 families how they feel about sportswashing the Saudi regime. Ask Jamal Khashoggi's family.
The PGA Tour has banned the LIV traitors but the PGA Tour does not control the 4 majors, so I'm looking to root against these assholes in April, May, June, and July! |
Response to 303squadron (Reply #12)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 11:15 AM
gab13by13 (18,070 posts)
14. The Masters is not affiliated with the PGA
so it is by invitation but the 3 other majors are based on merit or having won the tournament before so LIV golfers will slip in the world rankings and many will not be eligible for 3 of the majors.
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 11:08 AM
walkingman (6,617 posts)
13. I love Golf....it keeps disgusting white people off the streets.
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 12:29 PM
Sneederbunk (13,400 posts)
15. What a surprise! Professional golfers actually play for money.
Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #15)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 12:52 PM
SouthernDem4ever (4,505 posts)
17. Blood Money.
Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 01:04 PM
Sneederbunk (13,400 posts)
18. The Public Investment Fund of Saudia Arabia holds shares in American companies.
Amazon, Google, Visa, Microsoft, Disney, Nintendo, Uber, PayPal and Zoom, among many others. Where are all the boycotts?
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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #18)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 02:01 PM
SouthernDem4ever (4,505 posts)
21. Good question.
I guess when people start demanding things to be moral or ethical, you'll see that. Otherwise, who cares, right?
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Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)
Sun Feb 19, 2023, 01:07 PM
Initech (98,608 posts)
19. Fuck the LIV tournament. I refuse to watch anything owned by the Saudis.
That is also basically a front for a Trump rally.
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