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[Hekate]

1. Preposterous indeed, and wouldn't the extreme right love that. IBTL

[Jade Fox]

2. They wouldn't last a year without blue state tax money propping them up....nt

[bluestarone]

3. Lots of great people in these red states. (so we would NOT be better off)

I'd love to vacation in any state here. WE need to help our people in these red states! It can be done, but no doubt it will be tough job! I SUPPORT the good people in these red states. THEY need us as much as we need them. Please do not speak out against that!

[Sky Jewels]

4. Keep the land, deport the GQPers. I hear Russia has a lot of great job

opportunities -- and they involve international travel to Eastern Europe.

[MagickMuffin]

33. And guns guns guns

They can fight on the front lines. The big burly men they think they are!

[Sky Jewels]

35. Yup! It's their ultimate dream -- lots of white people and lots of guns!

[Hekate]

5. MTG is right there with you, traitorsgalore.....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=17664249

Seditionist Marjorie Taylor Greene Calls for Republican States to Secede From the Union

[Hekate]

18. We settled this with a Civil War--or so I thought. But, as General US Grant said, the next civil war...

"If we are to have another contest in
the near future of our national
existence, I predict that the dividing
line will not be Mason and Dixon's
but between patriotism and
intelligence on the one side, and
superstition, ambition and
ignorance on the other."
-
- Ulysses S. Grant

This statement is recorded as having been uttered by Grant. The occasion was a speech gave at the Annual Reunion of the Army of the Tennessee in Des Moines, Iowa, on Sept. 29, 1875.
As Grant approached his last full year in the White House, and the coming of the nation’s centennial celebration, he spoke of the importance of ensuring an educated citizenry and maintaining the separation of church and state in order to protect the rights enshrined in the U.S. Constitution — and to head off a conflict with the forces of “superstition, ambition, and ignorance”:

Grant:

“I do not bring into this assemblage politics, certainly not partisan politics, but it is a
fair subject for soldiers in their deliberations to consider what may be necessary to secure the prize for which they battled in a republic like ours. Where the citizen is sovereign and the official the servant, where no power is exercised except by the will of the people, it is important that the sovereign — the people — should possess intelligence.

The free school is the promoter of that intelligence which is to preserve us as a free nation. If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon’s, but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition, and ignorance on the other.

Now in this centennial year of our national existence, I believe it a good time to begin the work of strengthening the foundation of the house commenced by our patriotic forefathers one hundred years ago, at Concord and Lexington. Let us all labor to add all needful guarantees for the more perfect security of free thought, free speech, and free press, pure morals, unfettered religious sentiments, and of equal rights and privileges to all men, irrespective of nationality, color, or religion.

Encourage free schools, and resolve that not one dollar of money appropriated to their support, no matter how raised, shall be appropriated to the support of any sectarian school. Resolve that the State or Nation, or both combined, shall furnish to every child growing up in the land, the means of acquiring a good common-school education, unmixed with sectarian, pagan, or atheistic tenets. Leave the matter of religion to the family altar, the church, and the private school supported entirely by private contributions. Keep the church and state forever separate. With these safeguards, I believe the battles which created the Army of the Tennessee will not have been fought in vain.”

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/grant-next-civil-war/

From Hekate:
Grant was right. Such people are not confined to “red” states, but dwell among us everywhere.

[Tommy Carcetti]

6. Blue cities in red states? Red areas in blue states?

The country is far too Balkanized to break down into simple state divisions.

[Autumn]

21. If they want to leave we can pay to resettle them. We will still come out ahead.

[Tommy Carcetti]

22. What if we don't want to leave? nt

[Autumn]

24. Then stay. But some of the red state leaders want to leave because in Empty's words.

"We are done" Her and her buds want their own country. And they aren't the only ones.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/marjorie-taylor-greene-calls-national-divorce-liberal-conservative-sta-rcna71464

“We need a national divorce. We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government,” “Everyone I talk to says this. From the sick and disgusting woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s traitorous America Last policies, we are done.

[TwilightZone]

27. You're going to pay to move 15 million Texans?

This place just makes me laugh sometimes.

[Autumn]

28. What's laughable is you think almost half the population of Texas are Democrats.

[Blue_Adept]

31. Pew has adults in texas as dem/lean as 40% with 39% Rep.

The rest, 21% are the usual undecideds.

So clearly not 15 million in a state of 29 million, but certainly not an insignificant number.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/texas/party-affiliation/

[Autumn]

38. There are 17.2 million registered voters in TX. 17.7% of them showed up to vote in 2022. And that's

not an anomaly.

[TwilightZone]

32. Biden won 46.5% of the vote

The difference between Republicans and Democrats in TX is just a few percent. Most polls have it in the 52/47 range. Pew Research has it at 40/39 D/R (the rest unaffiliated), including leaners.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/texas/party-affiliation/

It just boggles my mind how many people here buy into the whole red state/blue state nonsense and seemingly have zero understanding of political demographics.

[Autumn]

39. What boggles my mind how many people in Texas who are registered to vote don't vote.

If they showed up to vote they wouldn't have people like Cruz and Abbott. Twice they have turned down Beto.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=17665315

Nearly 18% of registered voters in Texas cast a ballot in the 2022 primary, with 55% voting early and 45% voting on election day. At least 18,000 mail-in votes were rejected in the counties with the most registered voters, most for failing to meet the new GOP voting law’s ID requirements. Mail-in ballots that were counted made up 7% of the early vote. This is a decline from 2020, when mail-in ballots comprised 10% of the early vote.

[world wide wally]

7. If you red states really want to leave, let me just say this,

"Here's your hat"

[WhiskeyGrinder]

9. this shit is so tired

[blogslug]

13. agree

[Tommy Carcetti]

23. Yep. nt

[Ferrets are Cool]

10. The STATES are just fine...

it's the asswipe repugs that we would be better without. Am I wrong?

[milestogo]

11. DU would be a much better place without the state-bashing posts.

It accomplishes nothing good.

[Ohio Joe]

16. +1 - nt

[Blue_Adept]

30. I keeping feeling like we need a new and update "DU constitutional convention"

and get some of this stuff really dealt with.

[milestogo]

36. There are acceptable forms of bigotry here

and state bashing is one of them.

But there are others too.

[Autumn]

40. Discussing a current event, Republican leaders calling for the red states to leave the Union

is state bashing? Take it up with Margie, What the Hell is Wrong with Those Toes, Greene. She's the most vocal. Biden really pissed her off by going to the Ukraine.


Yeah I went there and made fun of her toes. I couldn't bring myself to mock her intelligence.

[milestogo]

41. The OP is state bashing, no mention of MTG.

[Blue_Adept]

44. oh I know, I've been subjected to it over the last few years.

[JHB]

12. We don't really need a Russian or Chinese client state on our border.

And that's what a MAGAstan would quickly become.

[roamer65]

53. Not when we allow Mexico to take back their old territory!

[walkingman]

14. I live in Texas and despise Texas politics but I keep hoping that the shitkickers

will stop supporting these assholes here in Texas. I personally would leave this state in a heartbeat but all of my family is here including 91yo MIL that we are caregivers and I am getting too damn old.

I'm not a native Texan but was transferred here in 1974 so almost 50 years. my DW is a native Texan and she feels the same way.

Texas was not like this until around the 90's but has gone downhill since and when I say downhill I mean DOWNHILL.

Maybe I'm naive but I think Texans will get tired of these dumbasses at some point?

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. The simplest and quickest way to reduce the number of red states is to eliminate the filibuster

Without the filibuster, when Dems have the WH, house and a Manchin and Sinema-free senate majority, they can govern as progressives without fear or hesitation.

After a few years of truly Liberal governance, with the results benefitting all residents in all states, I predict the number of Democratic voters would grow significantly. That, along with demographic and generational changes, could make a seismic shift in the number of red vs blue states, despite gerrymandering and voter suppression.

[roamer65]

17. We states along the border with Canada should be getting ready NOW.

The Great Climate Migration is going to happen. We are going to need hard borders to cope with it.

[Kaleva]

20. +1

[Kaleva]

19. Many Blue states contain Red areas. Like most of MI is Red.

[roamer65]

51. True on a regular map, but land doesn't vote.

This map shows what voting in Michigan somewhat looks like by population density.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/slideshow/electoral-results-maps/

It will get worse for the Red Areas as urbanization continues. Urban folks tend to vote Democratic, especially their children.

[Kaleva]

61. About 75% of the vote TFG got in MI came from urban...

or mostly urban counties He actually won some urban counties in this state in 2020.

[Torchlight]

25. And after a period of realignment and readjustment,

both the two red and blue Americas would find ways to rage at further manufactured drama much like this one, and calls would be made for yet more division. Then the four America's would follow suit. Again.

On and on the process will repeat, until there are as many nations as there are families.

[TwilightZone]

26. Most states are various shades of purple.

I find posts like this rather laughable. Very few states are the monolith that some apparently believe them to be.

Texas, for example, the state that DUers love to use as an example of the reddest of the red, went 52/46 in 2020. Nearly half the state's population voted for Biden.

[Blue_Adept]

29. Things I still can't believe get posted here for $1000, Alex.

I'd say unbelievable but that's what we get.

[Zeitghost]

34. Putting aside all that's been said

About this being a ridiculous question.

The world is changing and changing fast and security depends on two things, food and fuel. We are the only major country that has adequate supplies of both. We also have some of the most advantageous geography on the planet with control of a large portion of a continent from sea to sea.

Believing that we would be stronger by removing any of it shows a profound lack understanding of some fundamental concepts.

[Hortensis]

37. I think we'd be far better off we just got rid of the bigots

and other divisive types and hatemongers in ALL states. What a wonderful nation this would be.

It's not that I don't sympathize. I live in the south and my congressman couldn't tell the truth with a gun to his head; he's an indecent traitor who's been gulping down lies so long he doesn't know what truth is.

But if we got rid of the red states, for just one a mass migration of people fleeing failing, oppressive red states to functional blue states would inevitably result.

AND (think about this one!), red-state types born and raised in blue states would have nowhere to move; they'd stay right there and the worst of them would join with their destructive LW whacko anti-liberal counterparts against the mainstream left. Pretty much like now, but battling over smaller area.

Did I mention that failing southern states would breed giant criminal cartels and terrorist groups, all with their eyes to the affluent north?

Roughly half of all humans are born wired to various degrees of conservatism, many to liberal parents, and that disposition tends to affect social/political attitudes regardless of where they're raised. God help the blue states if their cons were bolstered with an infusion from the south -- that's what happened to the Republican Party. And my husband and I need a place to run if it came to it.

[roamer65]

59. Climate change is going to render most southern red states uninhabitable.

That mass migration you mention will be in full swing about 10-20 years from now.

That is why I champion the more northerly blue ones start the planning of and implementing a hard border.

[The Revolution]

42. Not really

If all the "red states" and or conservative people disappeared tomorrow, you'd have a "true blue" utopia for about a day before new factions developed and then those "others" would be the ones you want to get rid of.

[WarGamer]

43. I can think of other countries in history that had philosophies like that.

The XXXX would be a much better place without XXXX


Sometimes I'm stunned that on a daily basis some on our side sound more and more like totalitarians.

[milestogo]

45. + a brazillion

[mvd]

55. I don't think it should be that easy

People like Greene are advocating sedition. A lot could go wrong and I think the U.S. remains better as one, despite the problems.

[mvd]

58. I'll agree that the Justice Dept is worrying me

And the mainstream media still tries too hard to be “both sides” despite the obvious differences.

[betsuni]

57. Why it irritates me when people insist the U.S. could be like Northern European countries

with all the nice social safety net things provided by high taxes and a strong sense of society when no it can't, the U.S. is very different, has to deal with these red states and people who don't vote or vote for culture wars, and even in Europe racism is still a problem despite much greater economic equality.

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

62. Fine with me. Republicans have done nothing but cause stress and

harm to me over the entire course of my lifetime. These damn fools elected the MAGAt king POTUS. How utterly lacking in common sense does someone have to be, to vote for a lying, cheating, greed driven, narcissistic sociopath like the MAGAt king?

And then, even after he was defeated in the 2020 election, the fascists tried to overthrow the government and appoint him dictator. Republicans are an immediate threat and a clear and present danger to our democracy, and our government.

So tired of having to constantly defend democracy from fascists and nazis, and the general ignorance and stupidity of the entire RW.

Maybe if we let them go it would at least stop, or minimize, the mass shootings that seem to occur on a daily basis in the US these days.

They will never really secede from the US, but it's a nice dream for me.