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kairos12

(12,841 posts)
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 02:24 PM Feb 2023

Just a note about history.

The fact that President Joe went to Ukraine despite the threat posed by Putin's missiles was incredibly brave. When Nazi V2 Rockets were raining down on England, starting in 1944, President Roosevelt didn't visit that country. Wisely.

President Joe, a heroic American.

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Just a note about history. (Original Post) kairos12 Feb 2023 OP
My take is President Biden is not afraid for himself. Tetrachloride Feb 2023 #1
YES republianmushroom Feb 2023 #2
Roosevelt was not in good health by then and travel was not as fast. Srkdqltr Feb 2023 #3
Disagree kairos12 Feb 2023 #4
Yalta wasn't under direct assault. Srkdqltr Feb 2023 #5
Exactly. kairos12 Feb 2023 #6
He was a brave man, and travel in the 1940s is hardly comparable. BlackSkimmer Feb 2023 #7
I know. You can't make that sort of comparison . Times are different, the men are totally different Srkdqltr Feb 2023 #8
Are you trying to say that somehow President Biden is braver than Roosevelt? BlackSkimmer Feb 2023 #9
Biden's Secret Trip to Kyiv Took Guts LetMyPeopleVote Feb 2023 #10

Tetrachloride

(7,813 posts)
1. My take is President Biden is not afraid for himself.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 02:27 PM
Feb 2023

President Biden has moved beyond brave. He’s at a higher plane.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
7. He was a brave man, and travel in the 1940s is hardly comparable.
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 02:54 PM
Feb 2023

Not going to quibble about this kind of thing.

One can call to mind several leaders who made perilous journeys, throughout history and in riskier conditions.

Srkdqltr

(6,224 posts)
8. I know. You can't make that sort of comparison . Times are different, the men are totally different
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 02:56 PM
Feb 2023

Both did what had to be done when needed.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
9. Are you trying to say that somehow President Biden is braver than Roosevelt?
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 02:56 PM
Feb 2023

Is this something that really is important?

Good on Joe for going, but I'm not comparing him to any of the leaders who traveled in much less safe times.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,886 posts)
10. Biden's Secret Trip to Kyiv Took Guts
Tue Feb 21, 2023, 06:16 PM
Feb 2023

I do not want to see the GOP try to claim that President Biden is too old for the job and that he lacks guts. This trip to Kiev took a great deal of courage. No president has gone to an active war zone without substantial military support.

I am so proud of President Biden



https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/bidens-secret-trip-to-kyiv-took-guts/

President Biden’s secret visit to wartime Kyiv is an example of America in its finest tradition.

The New York Times reports that after a “trans-Atlantic flight to Poland, Mr. Biden crossed the border by train, traveling for nearly 10 hours to Kyiv as other American officials have in recent months.”....

The Times reports that Biden “slipped out of Washington in the dark of night without notice” in the early hours of Sunday morning on the East Coast: “Just a few reporters sworn to secrecy and deprived of their telephones were brought with him, along with Jake Sullivan, the president’s national security adviser; Jen O’Malley Dillon, his deputy chief of staff; and Annie Tomasini, the director of Oval Office operations.”

The moment reminds me not so much of Presidents Bush, Obama, and Trump flying unannounced to Iraq or Afghanistan, but of President Roosevelt’s wartime travels across the Atlantic. Make no mistake, there was risk involved in this trip. Traveling to the capital of a nation fighting a shooting war with a great power, the U.S. had no way to choreograph with exactitude the circumstances of his travel or arrival. Neither the U.S. nor Ukraine has total control of the airspace. Neither the U.S. nor Ukraine could guarantee Biden’s security on the ground.....

The president of the United States was inside the Russian WEZ — the weapons engagement zone — the entire trip. For that Joe Biden should receive credit.

Americans are allowed to disagree in good faith about what comes next — should the U.S. stand for a Ukraine whole and free no matter how long it takes to eject the Kremlin’s army, or is it in the American interest to urge the Ukrainians to accept a peace that doesn’t include all of its antebellum territory? — but no one should be under any illusion about the power of an American president going into a war zone to extend a hand to a beleaguered people and offer “unwavering support.”

Symbolism and morale matter to a nation at war. Indeed, as Napoleon said, “the moral is to the physical as three to one.”
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