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Tommy Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 12:58 PM Feb 2023

Former Office Occupant has gone full Victoria Nuland's Cookies* regarding Ukraine

I'm not going to bother linking to his Truth Social post, but if you want to go there, the video is there.

In it, he repeats his claim that he can somehow supposedly end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours. (How? By giving it all to Putin?)

But more notably, at one point in his three minute video rant, he says, "For decades, we've had the very same people, such as Victoria Nuland, and many others just like her, obsessed with pushing Ukraine towards NATO. Not to mention the State Department's support for uprisings in Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long time."

Notably, he mentions Victoria Nuland--the former Assistant Secretary of State under President Obama--by name, although the manner in which he says it suggests he doesn't seem to actually know who she is.

*"Victoria Nuland's Cookies" refers to the conspiracy theory posited by anti-Ukrainian/pro-Russian propagandists that the 2013-14 Maidan Protests--which lead to the former pro-Russian president of Ukraine, Victor Yanukovych, leaving the country for Russia--was in fact a US sponsored coup.

Supporters of the theory point to the fact that Nuland once visited the Maidan protests in December 2013 and handed out baked goods to protestors, as well as once having a phone discussion with the US Ambassador to Ukraine about which individuals might succeed Yanukovych if he were to leave power.

However, besides these two isolated incidents, there is nothing to suggest that Nuland or the US government engineered a coup in Ukraine, as the Maidan Protests were massive (attracting hundreds of thousands of protesters in Kyiv alone) and had popular support across the entire country. Yanukovych used his Berkut police force (later appropriated by Putin) to attempt to violently crack down on the protests and there were nearly 100 people shot by snipers on one day alone. Ultimately, Yanukovych chose to flee Ukraine for Rostov-on-Don, Russia, taking three days at the height of the protests to pack up his valuable goods from his suburban estate.

Interesting that Trump seems to have fully embraced this noxious conspiracy theory, which was heavily propagated across the internet in 2014, even by many here at DU (although most supporters of the theory have subsequently left DU.)

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Former Office Occupant has gone full Victoria Nuland's Cookies* regarding Ukraine (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Feb 2023 OP
Interesting that Trump seems to have fully embraced this noxious conspiracy theory, Ray Bruns Feb 2023 #1
He's openly framing NATO as an adversary here. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2023 #2
No it's not. Here's an interesting article. Ray Bruns Feb 2023 #9
Ok. nt Tommy Carcetti Feb 2023 #10
I find it interesting, but that's just me. nt MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2023 #3
He'll "believe" whatever Putin tells him. Midnight Writer Feb 2023 #6
Yes, it is, because it indicates he's still getting the Russian propaganda fed to him muriel_volestrangler Feb 2023 #11
It's Horseshoes All The Way Down, My Friend The Magistrate Feb 2023 #4
We should rename him the "Former Office Occupying Liar".... lastlib Feb 2023 #5
That works. For some reason, I flipped it to FLOO-- from "Spy Kids" niyad Feb 2023 #8
Yep, it's finally come--the legendary cookies that turned Ukraine to the west. Wingus Dingus Feb 2023 #7
And the Chief Twit jumps on the Nuland Cookies bandwagon as well. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2023 #12

Ray Bruns

(6,362 posts)
1. Interesting that Trump seems to have fully embraced this noxious conspiracy theory,
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 01:07 PM
Feb 2023

Is it interesting? Really? Is it?

Tommy Carcetti

(44,498 posts)
2. He's openly framing NATO as an adversary here.
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 01:14 PM
Feb 2023

NATO, an alliance that we are a part of.

So yeah, it is interesting.

Ray Bruns

(6,362 posts)
9. No it's not. Here's an interesting article.
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 02:10 PM
Feb 2023

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“Donald Trump came to an epiphany today and realized that his whole life he has been a loser at everything he’s tried. During that time he tried to blow his brains out with a shotgun but screwed that up to. Now he is relegated to a wheelchair whilst having no control over his bowels or bladder. He requires 24 hour care which his former wife and children have refused to pay for.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,211 posts)
11. Yes, it is, because it indicates he's still getting the Russian propaganda fed to him
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 02:21 PM
Feb 2023

He is just not informed enough to remember the anti-Nuland stuff from 2014 on his own. This shows someone is still active in feeding the Russian line to him; whether that's a Russian, or someone who allies with them (eg Bannon), we can't tell.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
4. It's Horseshoes All The Way Down, My Friend
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 01:19 PM
Feb 2023

Can't tell the far right from the far left without a score-card nowadays....

lastlib

(28,265 posts)
5. We should rename him the "Former Office Occupying Liar"....
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 01:21 PM
Feb 2023

acronym "FOOL"......

Just a thought.........

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