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Celerity

(43,497 posts)
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 06:54 PM Feb 2023

White House blames Trump administration and Republicans over East Palestine, Ohio spill

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/02/22/white-house-blame-trump-gop-east-palestine-spill/11322623002/

WASHINGTON — The White House is firing back at Republicans following the toxic East Palestine, Ohio train derailment, blaming the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress for undoing Obama-era rail safety measures designed to avert such disasters.

The aggressive rebuttal came as former President Donald Trump visited East Palestine on Wednesday and Republicans increasingly attack the Biden administration, especially Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, for its response to the Feb. 3 Norfolk Southern freight train derailment that unleased toxic chemicals.

“Congressional Republicans and former Trump Administration officials owe East Palestine an apology for selling them out to rail industry lobbyists when they dismantled Obama-Biden rail safety protections as well as EPA powers to rapidly contain spills,” White House spokesman Andrew Bates said in a statement to USA TODAY.

Among safety rollbacks cited by the White House, the Trump administration withdrew a 2015 proposal to require advanced braking systems on trains carrying highly flammable materials, ended regular safety audits of railroads and scrapped a proposal to require at least two crew members on freight trains.

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White House blames Trump administration and Republicans over East Palestine, Ohio spill (Original Post) Celerity Feb 2023 OP
it's about time the Dems slapped them upside the head with ACTUAL FACTS CatWoman Feb 2023 #1
Excellent push back! poli-junkie Feb 2023 #2
Oh, good! Joe is very good at this. Not least because he lets them dole out the rope, then he Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #3
So 151 cars on a train and legally only one worker is required questionseverything Feb 2023 #4
Has the NTSB revised their statement from last Thurday ? MichMan Feb 2023 #5
The Rethugs controlled both chambers and they allowed the industry lobbyists to write the rule Celerity Feb 2023 #6
My question is about the braking rule change MichMan Feb 2023 #7
That train would not have had the new style brakes, as the rule was written so narrowly Celerity Feb 2023 #14
Yes I did read it. MichMan Feb 2023 #16
I assume because that action HAS made qualifying trains more dangerous as well Celerity Feb 2023 #17
Hopefully all those rules have already been going through the process of being rescinded MichMan Feb 2023 #18
She was on with Jake Tapper DashOneBravo Feb 2023 #21
Excellent malaise Feb 2023 #8
Deregulating Trump shows up at his crime scene and Emile Feb 2023 #9
The arse-sonist who started the fire showed up at his crime scene and Justice matters. Feb 2023 #13
Exactly Emile Feb 2023 #19
Were the chemicals in the rail cars really shipped as "Non-Haz" (Non-Hazardous)?? If so, somebody is Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #10
a little slow with this aren't we. republianmushroom Feb 2023 #11
Republican deregulation caused the accident. Full stop. rickford66 Feb 2023 #12
Kick for Facts.. TY! Cha Feb 2023 #15
Doesn't matter, residents there are full on Trumpers Deminpenn Feb 2023 #20

Scrivener7

(51,004 posts)
3. Oh, good! Joe is very good at this. Not least because he lets them dole out the rope, then he
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 07:13 PM
Feb 2023

hangs them.

MichMan

(11,971 posts)
5. Has the NTSB revised their statement from last Thurday ?
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 07:58 PM
Feb 2023

They said then that the change in the braking system was NOT a cause of the derailment as it would have not been required on this train anyway. Here was the statement last week.

In a rare series of posts on Twitter on Thursday evening, NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy issued "a message to the community" as well as "a plea to those spreading misinformation."

She added: "Nothing...nothing is more important than accuracy at a moment like this, which is why the NTSB is deliberate in our approach to investigations. Credibility is ESSENTIAL to our lifesaving mission. The NTSB process WORKS.

The NTSB chair addressed speculation that a rule on electronically controlled pneumatic (ECP) brakes -- if implemented -- would have prevented the train derailment, which she said was "FALSE."

"The ECP braking rule would've applied ONLY to HIGH HAZARD FLAMMABLE TRAINS. The train that derailed in East Palestine was a MIXED FREIGHT TRAIN containing only 3 placarded Class 3 flammable liquids cars," she tweeted. "This means even if the rule had gone into effect, this train wouldn't have had ECP brakes.


Looks like that statement must have been false based on the recent statement by the administration. Has anyone seen if the NTSB has since issued a correction?

Celerity

(43,497 posts)
6. The Rethugs controlled both chambers and they allowed the industry lobbyists to write the rule
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 08:12 PM
Feb 2023

so narrowly that it would not have applied to the East Palestine train.

MichMan

(11,971 posts)
7. My question is about the braking rule change
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 08:41 PM
Feb 2023

According to the OP, the administration said the Trump rule change on braking was a cause of the derailment, while the NTSB statement last week said it was not. Further down in the link the NTSB chair repeated the earlier statement.

Clearly, both can't be correct.

Celerity

(43,497 posts)
14. That train would not have had the new style brakes, as the rule was written so narrowly
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 09:50 PM
Feb 2023

due to the Rethugs controlling Congress back in 2015. I thought I was clear on that.

NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy is correct about that.

Did you even read my OP article?

It clearly states this:



I do not know if there were other reasons for the derailment that were directly due to Trump's deregulation actions.

MichMan

(11,971 posts)
16. Yes I did read it.
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 09:56 PM
Feb 2023

Why the mention of this part below since it had already been dismissed as a factor ? That's why I asked if the NTSB had changed their analysis. It doesn't appear that they have.

Among safety rollbacks cited by the White House, the Trump administration withdrew a 2015 proposal to require advanced braking systems on trains carrying highly flammable materials

Celerity

(43,497 posts)
17. I assume because that action HAS made qualifying trains more dangerous as well
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 10:04 PM
Feb 2023

I posted 4 paragraphs, (from the start, as I do in 95 per cent plus of most of my OPs)

but if you connect your snip to the very next paragraph (that I just posted in my previous reply to you) it is clear


Justice matters.

(6,941 posts)
13. The arse-sonist who started the fire showed up at his crime scene and
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 09:50 PM
Feb 2023

blamed the firefighters who earlier tried to prevent the fire.

Evolve Dammit

(16,763 posts)
10. Were the chemicals in the rail cars really shipped as "Non-Haz" (Non-Hazardous)?? If so, somebody is
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 09:24 PM
Feb 2023

liable. That is more than an "oversight" and could have criminal implications. Stay tuned. EPA CID will find out.

Deminpenn

(15,290 posts)
20. Doesn't matter, residents there are full on Trumpers
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 06:30 AM
Feb 2023

Anyway, the cause of the derailment is already known, a failed axle or bearing on one of the tanker cars. It was reported locally that the failure was detected by a hotbox and emergency braking procedure was started. There were also two crew on the train plus a third person who was not part of the regular crew, but there for another reason, but can't recall what it was.

The questions for NTSB are when and where was the pending failure detected by the track hot boxes. It was reported locally that there is video from a camera at a business in Salem that shows sparks coming off a car in the vicinity of a hot box. Did that hot box fail? That answer is TBD. My other question is who owned the tanker cars? Were they NS-owned tanker cars, owned by another RR or owned by the company shipping the vinyl chloride?

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