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kentuck

(115,406 posts)
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 10:54 PM Feb 2023

Kevin steals 44,000 hours of tapes from Capitol and gave them to Murdoch and FOXNews.

That neither the Capitol Police nor the House Sergeant of Arms knew that Speaker McCarthy had given up 44,000 hours of tapes and surveillance of the Capitol from January 6th?

That he had not informed anyone else of the surrender of the tapes to FOXNews? More specifically, to Tucker Carlson, one of the chief propagandists for the enemies of democracy, the anti-democratic, propagandist capitalist from Australia, Rupert Murdoch.

If no one gave FOX legitimate permission to see the tapes, then they did not get them legally or upfront? In other words, they stole them?

Should one Congressmen now ask for a vote on the lack of leadership of the new Speaker, Kevin McCarthy?

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Kevin steals 44,000 hours of tapes from Capitol and gave them to Murdoch and FOXNews. (Original Post) kentuck Feb 2023 OP
Traitor...none of this will matter when they dont raise the debt ceiling, our world will crash Eliot Rosewater Feb 2023 #1
Sad, but true. peppertree Feb 2023 #24
what is this trillion dollar coin i keep hearing about? AllaN01Bear Feb 2023 #25
The us mint makes coins. Biden can order the minting of a single, trillion dollar coin Volaris Feb 2023 #29
Grand larceny considering the production costs bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #2
For real! kentuck Feb 2023 #3
The agreement specifies one congresscritter from 'the majority party'. SeattleVet Feb 2023 #15
No, any member. former9thward Feb 2023 #28
Thanks - I hadn't seen that this had changed from the original agreement proposal. SeattleVet Feb 2023 #36
The DC police have limited jurisdiction over the Capitol onenote Feb 2023 #5
Who controls the "Capitol Police Board"? kentuck Feb 2023 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2023 #22
Must be a lot of privileged material released there ... camera locations, secret passages, modes bucolic_frolic Feb 2023 #31
It wasn't his property, that evidence belongs to Uncle Sam FakeNoose Feb 2023 #4
The Speaker is giving footage SomedayKindaLove Feb 2023 #6
The Speaker is giving footage SomedayKindaLove Feb 2023 #7
Or that was the deal he made for speakership. nt okaawhatever Feb 2023 #18
Supposedly, that was one of the asses he had to kiss, yes Volaris Feb 2023 #30
This is a desperate move. everyonematters Feb 2023 #8
Do we know if McCarthy gave the only or original copies of the tapes to Carson/Fox? PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #9
Who at FOX is looking at the tapes? kentuck Feb 2023 #11
We don't know much at all about the mechanics of the theft. PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #12
it is 40,000 hours of tape edisdead Feb 2023 #17
Excuse me, my brain Fitzed and will fix. TY. PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #19
Needed: an injunction to prevent Faux broadcasting them Captain Zero Feb 2023 #26
That won't happen. It would be a prior restraint. See the Pentagon Papers case. onenote Feb 2023 #35
There is the question of security of the Congress. PufPuf23 Feb 2023 #14
Yes!! Sogo Feb 2023 #13
There are no tapes being given out Bludogdem Feb 2023 #16
so what can be done about this? Anything.... bahboo Feb 2023 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2023 #21
I'm kinda waiting for Republicans to link SS and Medicare SomedayKindaLove Feb 2023 #33
This is relatively, a lot less DENVERPOPS Feb 2023 #23
Jeez when are we going to stop blaming them? Have we Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2023 #27
Could Jack Smith take custody of them as evidence?? kentuck Feb 2023 #32
no, they weren't "stolen" onenote Feb 2023 #34

Eliot Rosewater

(34,285 posts)
1. Traitor...none of this will matter when they dont raise the debt ceiling, our world will crash
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 10:59 PM
Feb 2023

and we will have much bigger things to worry about.

peppertree

(23,336 posts)
24. Sad, but true.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 01:08 AM
Feb 2023

Still, I can't help but think Biden will find a way around this - even if it means minting that blessed, trillion-dollar coin.

Wishful thinking on my part?

Volaris

(11,697 posts)
29. The us mint makes coins. Biden can order the minting of a single, trillion dollar coin
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 05:15 AM
Feb 2023

That can be physically deposited to the Federal Reserve Bank, and now there's a trillion dollars in the govts account that wasn't there yesterday.

That's the concept, anyway.

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
2. Grand larceny considering the production costs
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:01 PM
Feb 2023

Amazed no one ever makes a local DC police complaint. I guess if you do it once it would be abused with spurious complaints all the time.

Member of the defunct J6 Committee should weigh in on the theft. Liz Cheney too. No one can just take their employer's property and give it away to someone. Theft and conveyance. McCarthy did not OWN the material. He may have had access, but was it his property?

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
3. For real!
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:06 PM
Feb 2023

And from the agreement that McCarthy made to win the votes for Speaker, it only takes one Congressman to call up a vote on his leadership, or lack thereof.

SeattleVet

(5,903 posts)
15. The agreement specifies one congresscritter from 'the majority party'.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 12:18 AM
Feb 2023

So they'll need to find a repuke that has some semblance of a spine, and a smattering of integrity.

IOW, it's not happening.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
28. No, any member.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:15 AM
Feb 2023

Under the new House rules passed Monday, only one member of Congress — Democrat or Republican — is needed to bring a "motion to vacate," which forces a vote on removing the speaker. That would need only a simple majority of the House to pass to oust McCarthy.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-of-the-house-ousted-motion-to-vacate-rcna64902

It is telling no member has made that motion.

onenote

(46,139 posts)
5. The DC police have limited jurisdiction over the Capitol
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:13 PM
Feb 2023

To quote the relevant law: “the authority [of the Metropolitan Police force over the Capitol] shall not be construed as authorizing the Metropolitan Police force, except with the consent or upon the request of the Capitol Police Board, to enter such buildings to make arrests in response to complaints or to serve warrants or to patrol the United States Capitol Buildings and Grounds.

Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #2)

bucolic_frolic

(55,129 posts)
31. Must be a lot of privileged material released there ... camera locations, secret passages, modes
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 08:04 AM
Feb 2023

of security operations. Was any of it deemed classified at some point? By the J6 Committee? By security operations? In terms of security, I suspect this is similar damage a company would incur by releasing all its proprietary processes and information.

FakeNoose

(41,631 posts)
4. It wasn't his property, that evidence belongs to Uncle Sam
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:10 PM
Feb 2023

So Kevin needs to pay for what he stole, or else he needs to be charged with theft.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,180 posts)
6. The Speaker is giving footage
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:19 PM
Feb 2023

To FOXPropaganda (formerly known as FOXNews; see Dominion)

Strange timing to be trusting FOXProp, things must be getting desperate.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,180 posts)
7. The Speaker is giving footage
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:22 PM
Feb 2023

To FOXPropaganda (formerly known as FOXNews; see Dominion)

Strange timing for the Speaker to be trusting FOXProp, things must be getting desperate.

everyonematters

(4,158 posts)
8. This is a desperate move.
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:34 PM
Feb 2023

There is only one reason McCarthy would do this. Republican members if Congress are going to be implicated in the Jack Smith investigation. This is potentially devastating to the party. Carlson is going to attempt to convince masses of people that the attack on the capitol and the plot on Jan 6th was no big deal, another push by the deep state, putting pressure on the DOJ and Fanni Willis not to prosecute and influencing potential juries. Carlson's audience is big, but it is not that big.

PufPuf23

(9,852 posts)
9. Do we know if McCarthy gave the only or original copies of the tapes to Carson/Fox?
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:49 PM
Feb 2023

IMO Biden and the Democratic Caucus should demand McCarthy step down immediately as Speaker.

Over the top insults to Democracy and the supposed ideals of this nation occur daily.

The fascists act like they are going to win in time because they expect to win.

Does the House still possess the originals of the tapes?

Agree the tapes were obtained illegitimately and essentially stolen.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
11. Who at FOX is looking at the tapes?
Wed Feb 22, 2023, 11:55 PM
Feb 2023

Do the tapes remain in the Capitol?

I heard Tucker say a couple of days ago, near the end of his program, that they would probably be ready to present the tapes as early as next week?

PufPuf23

(9,852 posts)
12. We don't know much at all about the mechanics of the theft.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 12:12 AM
Feb 2023

40,000 hours of actual tapes is a mass to move. Copies of the tapes copied onto portable drives fits in a briefcase.

Can be pretty certain whatever is extracted and reported by Fox will be twisted lies. Wonder what will then be propagated by other MSM?

The tapes given Carson can be anywhere now, hope the tapes are not the original or only copies.

Captain Zero

(8,905 posts)
26. Needed: an injunction to prevent Faux broadcasting them
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 01:51 AM
Feb 2023

Where's a court that can do that and who has standing and can file for the injunction.

onenote

(46,139 posts)
35. That won't happen. It would be a prior restraint. See the Pentagon Papers case.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 01:50 PM
Feb 2023

It's a bit disturbing that so many people are willing to cast off the First Amendment protections that were celebrated by progressives in the Pentagon Papers case.

PufPuf23

(9,852 posts)
14. There is the question of security of the Congress.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 12:16 AM
Feb 2023

Analysts can figure out locations of the security cameras and other detail of the Congress building.

Loads of intelligence for planning a future assault.

 

Bludogdem

(93 posts)
16. There are no tapes being given out
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 12:23 AM
Feb 2023

It’s access to the online digital files. Just like the internet. Just like your computer.

It will be highly secured access setup by the IT group and the Capital Police. Thats what was done for the January 6 Committee.

As a point of information. The Capital Police are employees of Congress. They do what congress says. In particular they do what the Speaker says to do. Same for Senate Majority Leader. Neither the Speaker nor the Majority Leader has authority over one another.

bahboo

(16,953 posts)
20. so what can be done about this? Anything....
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 12:48 AM
Feb 2023

I haven't heard a peep about any repercussions...

Response to kentuck (Original post)

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
23. This is relatively, a lot less
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 12:57 AM
Feb 2023

than the importance of documents that Kevin's Idol and his spawn stole in Top Secret intelligence documents and the potential damage the information they stole and sold could do to not only the U.S. but the entire world.......

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
27. Jeez when are we going to stop blaming them? Have we
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:00 AM
Feb 2023

no savvy? Have we no people on the ground? Love D's to the absolute core of my being...

But isn't it high time we start knowing what's happening? And take action ? Quickly that is.

Just asking. We've been appalled for 6 years !!!

onenote

(46,139 posts)
34. no, they weren't "stolen"
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 01:47 PM
Feb 2023

As the Chief of the Capitol Hill police explained, “When Congressional Leadership or Congressional Oversight Committees ask for things like this, we must give it to them.”

And if they were "stolen," why haven't Schumer and Bennie Thompson and others said so? Because they know otherwise. What they've said, and what is undoubtedly true, is that it was wildly irresponsible for McCarthy to give access to the surveillance video to Carlson. But even that wouldn't result in a court stopping Fox from airing whatever it wants. The courts have made it clear that prior restraints are highly disfavored -- think about the Pentagon Papers case for example.

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