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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKevin steals 44,000 hours of tapes from Capitol and gave them to Murdoch and FOXNews.
That neither the Capitol Police nor the House Sergeant of Arms knew that Speaker McCarthy had given up 44,000 hours of tapes and surveillance of the Capitol from January 6th?
That he had not informed anyone else of the surrender of the tapes to FOXNews? More specifically, to Tucker Carlson, one of the chief propagandists for the enemies of democracy, the anti-democratic, propagandist capitalist from Australia, Rupert Murdoch.
If no one gave FOX legitimate permission to see the tapes, then they did not get them legally or upfront? In other words, they stole them?
Should one Congressmen now ask for a vote on the lack of leadership of the new Speaker, Kevin McCarthy?
Eliot Rosewater
(34,285 posts)and we will have much bigger things to worry about.
peppertree
(23,336 posts)Still, I can't help but think Biden will find a way around this - even if it means minting that blessed, trillion-dollar coin.
Wishful thinking on my part?
AllaN01Bear
(29,486 posts)Volaris
(11,697 posts)That can be physically deposited to the Federal Reserve Bank, and now there's a trillion dollars in the govts account that wasn't there yesterday.
That's the concept, anyway.
bucolic_frolic
(55,129 posts)Amazed no one ever makes a local DC police complaint. I guess if you do it once it would be abused with spurious complaints all the time.
Member of the defunct J6 Committee should weigh in on the theft. Liz Cheney too. No one can just take their employer's property and give it away to someone. Theft and conveyance. McCarthy did not OWN the material. He may have had access, but was it his property?
kentuck
(115,406 posts)And from the agreement that McCarthy made to win the votes for Speaker, it only takes one Congressman to call up a vote on his leadership, or lack thereof.
SeattleVet
(5,903 posts)So they'll need to find a repuke that has some semblance of a spine, and a smattering of integrity.
IOW, it's not happening.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Under the new House rules passed Monday, only one member of Congress Democrat or Republican is needed to bring a "motion to vacate," which forces a vote on removing the speaker. That would need only a simple majority of the House to pass to oust McCarthy.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-of-the-house-ousted-motion-to-vacate-rcna64902
It is telling no member has made that motion.
SeattleVet
(5,903 posts)onenote
(46,139 posts)To quote the relevant law: the authority [of the Metropolitan Police force over the Capitol] shall not be construed as authorizing the Metropolitan Police force, except with the consent or upon the request of the Capitol Police Board, to enter such buildings to make arrests in response to complaints or to serve warrants or to patrol the United States Capitol Buildings and Grounds.
kentuck
(115,406 posts)Would they need to know?
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bucolic_frolic
(55,129 posts)of security operations. Was any of it deemed classified at some point? By the J6 Committee? By security operations? In terms of security, I suspect this is similar damage a company would incur by releasing all its proprietary processes and information.
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)So Kevin needs to pay for what he stole, or else he needs to be charged with theft.
SomedayKindaLove
(1,180 posts)To FOXPropaganda (formerly known as FOXNews; see Dominion)
Strange timing to be trusting FOXProp, things must be getting desperate.
SomedayKindaLove
(1,180 posts)To FOXPropaganda (formerly known as FOXNews; see Dominion)
Strange timing for the Speaker to be trusting FOXProp, things must be getting desperate.
okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)Volaris
(11,697 posts)everyonematters
(4,158 posts)There is only one reason McCarthy would do this. Republican members if Congress are going to be implicated in the Jack Smith investigation. This is potentially devastating to the party. Carlson is going to attempt to convince masses of people that the attack on the capitol and the plot on Jan 6th was no big deal, another push by the deep state, putting pressure on the DOJ and Fanni Willis not to prosecute and influencing potential juries. Carlson's audience is big, but it is not that big.
PufPuf23
(9,852 posts)IMO Biden and the Democratic Caucus should demand McCarthy step down immediately as Speaker.
Over the top insults to Democracy and the supposed ideals of this nation occur daily.
The fascists act like they are going to win in time because they expect to win.
Does the House still possess the originals of the tapes?
Agree the tapes were obtained illegitimately and essentially stolen.
kentuck
(115,406 posts)Do the tapes remain in the Capitol?
I heard Tucker say a couple of days ago, near the end of his program, that they would probably be ready to present the tapes as early as next week?
PufPuf23
(9,852 posts)40,000 hours of actual tapes is a mass to move. Copies of the tapes copied onto portable drives fits in a briefcase.
Can be pretty certain whatever is extracted and reported by Fox will be twisted lies. Wonder what will then be propagated by other MSM?
The tapes given Carson can be anywhere now, hope the tapes are not the original or only copies.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)Not 40,000 tapes.
PufPuf23
(9,852 posts)Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)Where's a court that can do that and who has standing and can file for the injunction.
onenote
(46,139 posts)It's a bit disturbing that so many people are willing to cast off the First Amendment protections that were celebrated by progressives in the Pentagon Papers case.
PufPuf23
(9,852 posts)Analysts can figure out locations of the security cameras and other detail of the Congress building.
Loads of intelligence for planning a future assault.
NO confidence vote on McCarthy NOW!!
Bludogdem
(93 posts)Its access to the online digital files. Just like the internet. Just like your computer.
It will be highly secured access setup by the IT group and the Capital Police. Thats what was done for the January 6 Committee.
As a point of information. The Capital Police are employees of Congress. They do what congress says. In particular they do what the Speaker says to do. Same for Senate Majority Leader. Neither the Speaker nor the Majority Leader has authority over one another.
bahboo
(16,953 posts)I haven't heard a peep about any repercussions...
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SomedayKindaLove
(1,180 posts)As woke initiatives.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)than the importance of documents that Kevin's Idol and his spawn stole in Top Secret intelligence documents and the potential damage the information they stole and sold could do to not only the U.S. but the entire world.......
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)no savvy? Have we no people on the ground? Love D's to the absolute core of my being...
But isn't it high time we start knowing what's happening? And take action ? Quickly that is.
Just asking. We've been appalled for 6 years !!!
kentuck
(115,406 posts)In his January 6th investigation?
onenote
(46,139 posts)As the Chief of the Capitol Hill police explained, When Congressional Leadership or Congressional Oversight Committees ask for things like this, we must give it to them.
And if they were "stolen," why haven't Schumer and Bennie Thompson and others said so? Because they know otherwise. What they've said, and what is undoubtedly true, is that it was wildly irresponsible for McCarthy to give access to the surveillance video to Carlson. But even that wouldn't result in a court stopping Fox from airing whatever it wants. The courts have made it clear that prior restraints are highly disfavored -- think about the Pentagon Papers case for example.