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RandySF

(84,260 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:39 PM Feb 2023

Grandparents beware. This almost happened to my dad.

Grandparent scams typically work something like this: The victim gets a call from someone posing as his or her grandchild. This person explains, in a frantic-sounding voice, that he or she is in trouble: There’s been an accident, or an arrest, or a robbery.

To up the drama and urgency, the caller might claim to be hospitalized or stuck in a foreign country; to make the impersonation more convincing, he or she will throw in a few family particulars, gleaned from the actual grandchild’s social media activity.

The impostor offers just enough detail about where and how the emergency happened to make it seem plausible and perhaps turns the phone over to another scammer who pretends to be a doctor, police officer or lawyer and backs up the story. The “grandchild” implores the target to wire money immediately, adding an anxious plea: “Don’t tell Mom and Dad!”

Fraudsters have also been known to ply this trick by email, text message and social media. Amid the coronavirus pandemic, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) and the FBI have warned of an uptick in grandparent scams as crooks play on emotional vulnerability and heightened fear about loved ones falling ill.

Grandparent scams and related cons are common — from 2015 through the first quarter of 2020, the FTC logged more than 91,000 reports of crooks posing as a relative or friend of the victim. And they can be lucrative: Eight people charged in a July 2021 federal indictment allegedly ran a nationwide scam network that used this ruse to steal some $2 million from more than 70 older Americans over an 11-month period in 2019 and 2020.





https://www.aarp.org/money/scams-fraud/info-2019/grandparent.html

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Grandparents beware. This almost happened to my dad. (Original Post) RandySF Feb 2023 OP
Wouldn't the grandparent moonscape Feb 2023 #1
My dad is hard of hearing. RandySF Feb 2023 #2
A lot of times the caller will whisper, which makes it harder to identify. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #4
Happened to a patient of mine while I was at her house. tavernier Feb 2023 #9
I've gotten a few calls like that, even though I don't have any grandchildren. SharonAnn Feb 2023 #18
Happened to me - supposedly my grandson was in a car accident in Mexico womanofthehills Feb 2023 #19
So this happened to my father Dorian Gray Feb 2023 #21
Not a day goes by that I don't get a scam phone call or e-mail. Midnight Writer Feb 2023 #3
This happens to me a lot. OLDMDDEM Feb 2023 #5
So many scams Johnny2X2X Feb 2023 #6
Wife: Oh NO! How much money do you need? Aussie105 Feb 2023 #7
I got one of those a while back leftieNanner Feb 2023 #8
this has been going on for years...... getagrip_already Feb 2023 #10
There are many theoretical enablers. Tetrachloride Feb 2023 #11
The easiest way to avoid this I think rownesheck Feb 2023 #12
I told him to come to me for EVERYTHING pertaining my son. RandySF Feb 2023 #13
That's a good idea. rownesheck Feb 2023 #14
I miss the good old (old) days when moonscape Feb 2023 #15
My ninety-something-year-old mother got one of those calls a few years ago. Staph Feb 2023 #16
Phones are getting better at filtering usonian Feb 2023 #17
"No problem kid. We've traced the number and MOTHER is sending an extraction team." hunter Feb 2023 #20

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
9. Happened to a patient of mine while I was at her house.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:54 PM
Feb 2023

The phoney grandson called, almost shouting, hyperventilating, telling grandma he was hurt and to please talk to the policeman (another phoney) who requested private information in order to get the “boy” to the hospital. She was shaken and handed me the phone and I immediately knew it was fake and they immediately knew I was on to them so they hung up. I instructed her to call her grandson and he answered his cell, perfectly healthy and clueless.

The following week my neighbor received a similar call but she knew they were crooks and hung up.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
19. Happened to me - supposedly my grandson was in a car accident in Mexico
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 01:34 AM
Feb 2023

The guy saying he was my grandson had a heavy NY accent. I had just spoken with my grandson the day before so I had fun with the caller.

The guy starts out- Hello this is your grandson …L***n. First clue - not my grandson who usually just says says Hey Grandma!

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
21. So this happened to my father
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 07:02 AM
Feb 2023

He received a call that my niece (his grand-daughter) was in jail. (She was 15 at the time.) He panicked and started making calls to send money to her. (I don't know how the money was supposed to be sent, but it involved the scammers calling back.) Then my mom came into the room and said they should call my brother. They did. Found out my niece was home safe and sound. Bc she was 15 and it was unlikely that she would be arrested.

I have to say that I'm sure she sounded nothing like my niece. But my dad was 80+ at the time. He is slowing down. He panicked. His initial instinct was to protect my niece from getting in trouble from her parents.

We had a lucky outcome here.

I tell them never answer calls from unknown numbers, but they're old school and almost always do.

Midnight Writer

(25,409 posts)
3. Not a day goes by that I don't get a scam phone call or e-mail.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:42 PM
Feb 2023

It's a mean world for seniors.

As if we don't get screwed enough by "legitimate" businesses.

OLDMDDEM

(3,184 posts)
5. This happens to me a lot.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:44 PM
Feb 2023

I simply ask them when is their birthday. "Crickets!" The person hangs up.

Johnny2X2X

(24,206 posts)
6. So many scams
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:45 PM
Feb 2023

My mother fell for one. She pays online games like wordle, candy crush, whatever. Got contacted and said she won their sweepstakes. They got her phone number and called her up to tell her about the cash prize she won. Just a couple hoops to jump through, but they laid it on thick about how she was going to be able to help her grandchildren now. Asked her bank and then said just look for the deposit tomorrow. Deposit never came, they waited for her to call them, which of course she did. Well they knew her routing number, because they knew her bank and each bank is assigned 1 routing number, so they read her routing number and account back to her, and of course the account portion was wrong, which she then corrected for them. After all, they knew the 1st 9 numbers, she just corrected the last 9 of which they knew the first few anyway (which you can guess if you know when they opened their account). Bank stopped her from losing any real money.

Aussie105

(7,920 posts)
7. Wife: Oh NO! How much money do you need?
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:45 PM
Feb 2023

Me: Serves you right you little shit!
(Been caught out by scammy behaviour from actual grand kids, of whom we have many.)

But seriously - oldies don't recognise the voice or accent in a phone call (speaker phone, nice and loud), or don't know how to decipher a spoofed email source?

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
10. this has been going on for years......
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:57 PM
Feb 2023

I need a plane ticket to get home....
I need money for a hotel room for the night....
My car was towed and I have a huge ticket to pay before they will release it...

Every possible urgent, you have to help now or it will be too late, kinds of scenarios are used.

Call centers specialize in it.

They do it because it works.

Tetrachloride

(9,623 posts)
11. There are many theoretical enablers.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 02:58 PM
Feb 2023

Banks, other electronic transfers companies, ISPs, phone OS makers (Google, Apple), lawmakers and families.

America doesn’t clamp down.

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
12. The easiest way to avoid this I think
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 03:26 PM
Feb 2023

is to not answer calls from numbers you don't recognize.

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
14. That's a good idea.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 03:32 PM
Feb 2023

People of a certain age may not follow my advice because they have been so used to answering a phone any time it rings. I came of age during the advent of caller ID, so I'm used to not answering phones from numbers I don't recognize.

moonscape

(5,722 posts)
15. I miss the good old (old) days when
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 04:01 PM
Feb 2023

the phone rang you knew it was for you. On the rare occasion it was a wrong-number, the caller would apologize profusely.

The down side is there was no way to know who it was, so with super close friends we had a code let the phone ring once, then call again.

Staph

(6,467 posts)
16. My ninety-something-year-old mother got one of those calls a few years ago.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 06:34 PM
Feb 2023

She made sympathetic noises for a while, and then she asked which one of her grandsons this was.

Sputter, sputter, hang up. I love my Mom!


usonian

(25,308 posts)
17. Phones are getting better at filtering
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 01:18 AM
Feb 2023

It's not easy, but doable. Perhaps we smart folks can help set up filters (like allowing calls from contacts-only) or helping people identify who's trusted. I never pick up a number I don't recognize with caller-id.

Most don't leave a message, and that's a pretty decent filter, because it doubles the time a scammer would have to take, and time is precious when you work the odds that they do.

Perhaps something as simple as "I'll call you back" (from my contacts list) would work.
Same goes for other media.

Asking a simple question might help.

I read that in WW!! soldiers would ask suspicious people "Who is the President of the United States?"

And you know, in the age of MAGAt traitors. that might still work like a charm!!! Most of them get it wrong.

(rim shot)

hunter

(40,689 posts)
20. "No problem kid. We've traced the number and MOTHER is sending an extraction team."
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 02:22 AM
Feb 2023

I hope to keep my wits about me until the day I die.

My wife's dad got one of these calls while all his grandchildren were in the living room with him. He's onto these scams...

Wouldn't it be nice if we could throw these scammers in jail and watch them squirm when they had to call someone for bail money.

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