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WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 10:23 PM Feb 2023

What's ahead in the war in Ukraine? -- Belfer Center, Harvard Kennedy School

Sometimes it seems like the war news we see is 1) too many pom poms or 2) ignorant reporters 3) some level of bias

Recently discovered this page... seems like the most accurate and realistic depictions I've seen.

The Ukrainian Strategy
The Ukrainians’ terrain-focused war of maneuver is constrained by two factors: limited artillery ammunition and equipment production, and coalition considerations. Ukraine started the war with 1,800 artillery pieces of Soviet caliber. These allowed firing rates of 6,000 to 7,000 rounds a day against 40,000 to 50,000 Russian daily rounds. By now this artillery is mostly out of ammunition, and in its place Ukraine is using 350 Western caliber artillery pieces, many of which are destroyed or breaking down from overuse. Meanwhile, Western nations are themselves running out of ammunition; the U.S. is estimated to produce only 15,000 155mm shells a month. This constraint has forced Ukraine to adopt mass infantry formations focused on regaining territory at any cost. Ukraine simply cannot go toe to toe with Russia in artillery battles. Unless Ukrainian troops close to direct fire fights with Russian troops, there is a significant chance that they will be destroyed at a distance by Russian artillery.

The Russian Strategy
The Russian forces are limited by manpower but strengthened by massive artillery and equipment stockpiles enabled by a robust military industrial complex. While there have been numerous reports in Western media that the Russian army is running out of artillery ammunition, so far there’s been no visible slacking of Russian artillery fire on any front. Based on these factors, the Russian side has relied on a traditional firepower-centric war of attrition. The goal is to force an unsustainable casualty rate, destroying Ukrainian manpower and equipment, while preserving Russia’s own forces. Territory is not important; its loss is acceptable to preserve combat power. At Kyiv, Kharkiv and Kherson, the Russian army refused to fight under unfavorable conditions and withdrew, accepting the political cost to preserve its forces.



https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine

AUTHOR
Alex Vershinin
U.S. Lt. Col. Alex Vershinin retired after 20 years of service, including eight years as an armor officer with four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and 12 years working as a modeling and simulations officer in NATO and U.S. Army concept development and experimentation. This included a tour with the U.S. Army Sustainment Battle Lab, where he led the experimentation scenario team.
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What's ahead in the war in Ukraine? -- Belfer Center, Harvard Kennedy School (Original Post) WarGamer Feb 2023 OP
Thank you for posting. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #1
Just the other day he estimated Russian and Ukrainian KIA at 100k each WarGamer Feb 2023 #2
Yes I am hearing the same thing. Irish_Dem Feb 2023 #3
Old Article Jazz Jon Feb 2023 #4
OTOH, Trent Telenko's not too impressed by Russia's "massive artillery and equipment stockpiles" Emrys Feb 2023 #5
All interesting... WarGamer Feb 2023 #6
I've been deliberately barely scratching the surface in posting on DU what I read on a daily basis, Emrys Feb 2023 #7

Irish_Dem

(81,254 posts)
1. Thank you for posting.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 10:33 PM
Feb 2023

Doesn't sound optimistic for a Ukraine win.

Gen Miley is saying the same thing.

Irish_Dem

(81,254 posts)
3. Yes I am hearing the same thing.
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 10:43 PM
Feb 2023

Actually the death toll on both sides could be higher.

Jazz Jon

(159 posts)
4. Old Article
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 11:00 PM
Feb 2023

This article is from December 22, 2022. Today is February 23, 2023.
That's is two full months ago. The situation could be very different now.
I saw a much more recent article that the head of the Wagner group is
complaining that he cannot get artillery ammunition. That does not align
with what this article says.

Emrys

(9,100 posts)
5. OTOH, Trent Telenko's not too impressed by Russia's "massive artillery and equipment stockpiles"
Thu Feb 23, 2023, 11:42 PM
Feb 2023

It's a tweet. Fog of war and all that. Live with it.




Trent Telenko
@TrentTelenko

Remember all the "Russian experts" from a year ago who said Russia had enough artillery shells to last a 5-year war?🤣🤣🤣🤣

Russian Shell🧵⬇️

ChrisO_wiki
@ChrisO_wiki

1/ Russia's ammunition shortage in eastern Ukraine is reportedly so severe that its troops there have reportedly been issued with completely unusable munitions, including shells which are so rusty they have simply disintegrated. ⬇️






A click through on ChrisO_wiki's tweet leads to further discussion, drawing on OSINT and other sources, including translations of intercepted Russian armed forces chit-chat about widespread artillery ammunition shortages which are not just affecting Wagner (which has recently been complaining bitterly about being wilfully "deprived" of ammo), but the army as a whole.

Russia can still put up considerable barrages in certain battle zones, but they're diminishing, certainly since that article was written in December. Meanwhile, in the last few days Ukraine's deployed some longer-range missiles which the Russians don't recognize and seem to have severe trouble intercepting.

Vershinin's consistently called for the West to step up its arms production. Of course, MAGA and Putin fan types love it because they're rooting for Russia to win and can interpret his writings as implying Ukraine's doomed.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
6. All interesting...
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 12:27 AM
Feb 2023

There are lots more analysis on the RM website even from this week.

I was concerned about the name of the website at first and did a bit of reading to be sure they're legit.

Even the UN has said don't trust pretty much anything coming from Ukraine or Russia.

Emrys

(9,100 posts)
7. I've been deliberately barely scratching the surface in posting on DU what I read on a daily basis,
Fri Feb 24, 2023, 12:48 AM
Feb 2023

mainly on Twitter, funnily enough.

Yes, any information from and concerning a war zone has to treated with a degree of healthy skepticism, but by tracking proven reliable sources and experts in certain fields, it's sometimes possible to triangulate on a concensus. Telenko, for instance, is good in his specialty (logistics), but also a reasonable judge of other sources. Certainly, when I see the likes of Tom Nichols (ex-Republican-turned-firm Democrat, and retired professor at the US Naval War College) - https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom - chime in to support a point of view, I take notice.

One reason I rely on certain researchers is that they're experienced and skilled in sifting and balancing their own sources of information. Those who end up with egg on their faces too often soon get weeded out.

One of the sources I referred to in my post above is Estonian Russian-to-English translator Dmitri - https://twitter.com/wartranslated - who daily provides transcripts from a variety of sources, from videos to intercepted phone calls home from Russian soldiers to internal communiques between Russian bigwigs, including Wagner and its fellow travellers. He's suitably skeptical about some of the sources he translates, but a consistent picture usually eventually emerges. Some of the replies to his tweets aren't nonsense either.

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