A lot of red states now want to leave the union.

[The Jungle 1]

A lot of those red states get way more in federal spending then they pay is taxes.
Idaho gets $1.69 back from the feds for every dollar they pay in taxes.
Kentucky is another state with their hand out. They get 1.68 back per dollar is taxes paid
Eight of the 10 states most dependent on the federal government traditionally vote Republican.

So I say the first thing we do is take them off the teat. Hey red states yer on your own. Pay yer own way for your treason.

[2naSalit]

1. Never mind that...

There are also Democrats who live in those states, we just don't have control of the governments... and no thanks to the rest of the party for helping us change that.

[TNNurse]

36. Thank you

from the very red TN.

[judesedit]

38. I know, but wouldn't it be nice to be done with those horrible Marge Traitor Greene types

[aggiesal]

46. MTG lives in a blue state! So we'd have to kick her out of Georgia. n/t

[Katcat]

49. Rather hilarious

As she doesn’t want Dems who move to red states to be able to vote.

[judesedit]

64. Georgia has a repub governor through gerrymandering and voter suppression

[former9thward]

65. Gerrymandering does not apply to state wide races.

If there is voter suppression how does GA have two Dem Senators?

[judesedit]

66. We came out in droves and did it

[former9thward]

68. If votes are being suppressed how can they come out in droves?

And why didn't they come out in droves for the governor's race? Where is the evidence of suppression?

[judesedit]

85. You're kidding, right? Just type "Georgia voter suppression" in your favorite browser

You will find all of the ways they are hindering fair elections, trying to get people taken off voter rolls, taking away drop boxes, polling places. You name it. Even some USPS mailboxes were taped shut in my area, so you couldn't mail anything, including your absentee ballot. I took mine directly to the registration office to make sure mine got there. The lines were wrapped around the building. All day long for days, from my understanding. That's how we prevailed. Thank you.

[Celerity]

104. +100000

sometimes this board makes me go

[2naSalit]

55. Yeah...

But writing off the rest of us because she sucks brainz for breakfast is just disrespectful.

[judesedit]

62. I know. Just dreaming. How nice it would be if we could all coexist peacefully

[Hortensis]

84. +1000, 2naSalit, for speaking up for our fellow Democrats.

And others.

The enormous brush of geographic bigotry has the same problems as every other kind. I'm sure those inclined wouldn't need to forget that millions of good people exist in red states if only it didn't require sacrificing all principles to its satisfaction.

Not that I don't sympathize with the aggravation.

[Progressive dog]

93. Exactly

The Constitution has no opt out clause.

[2naSalit]

95. Excellent point!

[Kid Berwyn]

107. Remember the Pendulum.

“It’ll swing back…”

And then it didn’t.

[LakeArenal]

2. Can you even imagine how heavily taxed the people would be that left the Union.

Without government funding. Especially after a natural disaster?

No schools, public assistance or health care.

People would be back to serfdom and women traded for food.

[OMGWTF]

33. That's the Rethuglican's goal. Keep the people stupid, sick, poor, and miserable.

It's so much easier to control them that way.

[Justice matters.]

97. Two CAT 4 hurricanes and they would devolve into third-world status. nt

[LakeArenal]

103. Yes. Begging for our tax dollars.

[brooklynite]

3. I hate over the top statements like this...

There's NO evidence that a lot of red States want to secede.. MTG can rant all she wants, but she doesn't speak for everyone in Georgia, much less all the red States.

[bpj62]

17. Not out loud.

I agree with many of your posts and comments but there are many in the South and West who would openly entertain the possibility of secession from the United States. They are either ignorant or lack a basic understanding of what the federal government actually does for them. Texas keeps bringing it up because they were independent for 9 years before they became part of the United States.
Seceding is not realistic but what MTG is doing is creating a groundswell of hatred and contempt for the federal government

[calimary]

58. Problem is: there's ALWAYS been an "I hate the government" crowd.

I always find myself thinking like a mom with those people. “You hate the government? Okay, how ‘bout we get the government out of your life. Then don’t come crying to us when your new house collapses on your family and kills them because you thought it’d be great to get rid of the safety regulations. We’ll get rid of the regulations, and you won’t mind eating food that hasn’t been inspected for safety before it went to market and maybe it’ll be full of worms or over sprayed with chemicals that nobody bothered to check for chemicals linked to birth defects… (that the growers used for fertilizer because it was cheaper and didn’t cut into their profit margins.”

I could go on but sometimes I even annoy myself.

[The Jungle 1]

69. Sometimes over the top statements stimulate thought and produce ideas.

There is a lot of good conversation here.

[Bucky]

98. Thank you

Anybody who's raised a toddler knows that they throw temper tantrums and say things they don't really mean. It's just their way of crying out for attention or help.

The Republicans in the house are going through sort of equivalent of potty training right now. Their instincts are based on rebelling screaming for help. They have the responsibility of governing now but they honestly don't know how to go about it. Situations like this naturally lead to temper tantrums and a lot of feces being smeared on the walls

[Gore1FL]

4. I have heard no statements concerning any states wishing to secede.

Which ones?

[Tom Rinaldo]

21. THIS

There may be some, even significant in some cases, public sentiment along those lines in some Red States, but nowhere has it even been alleged that there is majority support for that. MTG may have a following but she doesn't suddenly speak for half the nation.

[The Jungle 1]

70. texass

Texas Independence Referendum Act. HB1359

Apparently trump built his fence in the wrong place. Dumb ass.

[Liberal In Texas]

99. There is no STATE wanting to seceed. Just some RWNJs. We just have more than our share here.

After Perry's comments (in 2009) received news coverage, Rasmussen Reports (we know how liberal they are) found that about 1 in 3 of those it polled believed that Texas has the right to secede from the United States, although only 18% would support secession and 75% would oppose secession. In another poll, 60% of Texans surveyed opposed becoming an independent nation. However, 48% of Texas Republicans surveyed supported it. The reaction from outside the state was also strongly split, including those who wanted to get rid of Texas. - from Wikipedia

[Walleye]

5. No more US mail

[peppertree]

6. And if they secede, NO use of the U.S. dollar

Let'em use the Trump peso.

It'll go the way of the Confederate dollar - with elites dumping it for gold and hard currency, and the rest of the mouth-breathers left with hyperinflation and riots.

What with all the guns they have in those states, it'll look like a Mad Max movie.

But that's what they wanted.

[FakeNoose]

19. Hah, I never thought of that but you're absolutely right

In that case all the US banks (and credit cards) would exit the states that secede. The newly-formed secession states would have no banks and no way to make their own currency. We'd just sit by and watch them go under, one by one. Gosh wouldn't that be a hoot?

[peppertree]

23. Thanks. It is what it is.

I don't wish it on them - but if they insist...

Texas is probably the worst. I lived there for a couple of years, and from time to time would be regaled with wild-eyed tales about how the Treaty of El Estupido of 1848 entitled them to "secede unilaterally, and for any cause!"

Yeah. Good with luck with that, Jethro.

[DBoon]

81. or they could use cryptocurrency

We have seen how stable and reliable that is.

[peppertree]

86. Yes. Many neo-confederates will no doubt try - as they did when Biden was elected.

It's no secret that much of the big run-up in crypto prices in the weeks following the 2020 election, was due to Republicans (and RW-led businesses) stocking up on crypto "cause Biden's coming for our guns, our homes, our savings, and our hamberders!!"

But once the panic subsided, so did crypto prices - Putin's war and all!

I've noticed over the years that - while a lot of it is human nature - Republicans (in general) are lot more given to Dutch tulips than the rest of us.

Something to do with the fact their fight-or-flight response is more "itchy" than other folks', I believe having read.

Qué será.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

7. It's worse than that.

Moron Twit Gremlin said that even though the red states 'divorce' the blue states, she wanted us to still have to defend them if they came under attack.,

[OMGWTF]

34. That's a hard NO and there will not be any alimony either.

[DENVERPOPS]

52. I love it when I hear

some people get on their soap boxes and say NO MORE GOVERNMENT............
I ask them "Even the Police and Fire Dept"?
AND WITH OUT EXCEPTION, THEY ALWAYS SAY: OH NO, THAT'S DIFFERENT..........LOL
Same as when you ask a question of a Trump Humper about something that is blatantly obvious to even them, and is provable and based in facts, and it contradicts what they just said...... they say the same exact thing, over and over......

[The Jungle 1]

71. I do the same thing when they scream about socialism

[DENVERPOPS]

83. But we are correct in saying that

Their's is just a right wing, republican pre-programmed defensive statement to use on everything their cult disagrees with, along with "FAKE NEWS".......LOL

[edisdead]

57. Also no interstate commerce

There are a million things they would have to give up.

[jcgoldie]

8. The same sentiment exists on the state level

My dumbass father in law shows me an online petition to cut southern Illinois off from Chicago and make a separate state so we won't be subject to their oppressive liberal policies like respecting kids gender identity in schools. He thinks its going to happen like there's some clause in the constitution that grants statehood if you get enough stupid rednecks to sign an online petition. Leave aside the fact that downstate counties are net takers of the state's tax dollars just as red states are nationally.

[Freethinker65]

10. Who does he think subsidizes his downstate roads and infrastructure?

The taxpayers of Chicagoland do.

[jcgoldie]

12. think?

That has nothing to do with this.

[Kaleva]

9. Many Blue states have large areas of Red

Michigan, for example, is mostly red

[Freethinker65]

11. Land doesn't vote, people do.

[bpj62]

20. Northern Virginia

I live in Northern Virginia and for every dollar we put into the coffers we only get .25 cents back. The rest of the state treats us like a communist country but the legislators from those areas will gladly continue to take our taxes.

[LakeArenal]

82. Yes I bet many states like NY will like keeping their tax money in blue.

[The Jungle 1]

73. Well land does kinda vote

Every state gets two senators. No matter the population.
The electoral college is even more screw up. A person from a low population state has a more powerful vote.

[TheBlackAdder]

106. NJ has a 15-mile wide band from Philly to NYC that's Democratic, the rest primarily leans Republican

.

The trend changed after Trump got in office, but the Republican influence is still in those areas that swung for Biden.







The Trump Effect:





.

[Johnny2X2X]

13. Give them Mississippi and Alabama

Keep the rest. We'll still have 50 states by adding DC and Puerto Rico. They can continue with what they have going on In Mississippi and Alabama and see where it takes them. Our military will still defend them and have bases there, but other than that they will not get 1 red cent of money from the Federal Government, even in the case of natural disasters. And they'll need passports to leave those 2 states. See what happens with that set up.

[DBoon]

80. No. Give them Russia

They want an autocratic theocracy, they can move there

[Scrivener7]

14. Did the red states tell someone this?

[CanonRay]

15. It's just background noise

Something for the old farts at Crackerbarrel to chew on. Here in Oregon the semi-populated eastern red counties want to join Idaho. No way Idaho really wants to take on those thousands of miles of empty roads and hundreds of bridges to maintain.

[SoCalDavidS]

16. If Only This Were Realistic & Possible nt

[Chainfire]

18. They just think that they want to be independent.

The reality would come as a major shock. In any case, I think that they would soon find that and independent Christian state of
Alabamastan would not make for happy living. Perhaps they should try it as an experiment in a red state drawn at random.

So what Republican "patriots" are asking for is the Divided States of America. The reality of statehood is, as my ancestors discovered, "You can check out any time you please, but you can never leave." Someone needs to tell these people to grow up or STFU.

[RussBLib]

22. united we stand, divided we fall

...all we really need is to abolish gerrymandering and put some common sense into the electoral process. Then, several more Dems will be elected in the previously red states and we can implement fair policies that benefit everyone.

Piece of cake.

[The Jungle 1]

75. That numbers are the problem...

Demographics are not on their side and they know it. They no longer want a democracy.

[Thomas Hurt]

24. The christofascists in various states at various times have bitched about seceding.

Some of them want to have just a portion of a state secede.

Doesn't matter though, the christofascists have another plan. The Alito Court is going to be giving states rights more rein and they are going to give the states a semi-secession.

Also complete secession will destroy the states economies.

Loss of military bases, gov't agencies, MIC, corporations will leave and the support jobs will to.

Sane people will leave these states, depleting their tax base.

Not to mention it is unconstitutional.

[LeftinOH]

25. In 2020, there were more votes for Biden in Texas than in New York.

There were far more votes for Biden in GOP-dominated Florida than in "blue" states like PA, IL, MN, etc. The "red state" and "blue state" descriptions are misleading -- like everything else in the GOP narrative.

[Easterncedar]

26. One of my liberal friends has been arguing for this

For the past year.

[Darwins_Retriever]

27. Here are a couple ideas

1. Keeping the US
a. Add DC and Puerto Rico as states
b. Abolish the Senate
c. Redraw the House districts: Ignore state boarders. Using natural boundaries or manmade boundaries such as roads and city have a computer establish the boundaries for 201 house districts.
d. The house districts will be redrawn every 4 years
e. A person cannot be a House member for more than 10 years

2. We do create a separate country
a. Consisting of TX, OK, LA, AL, MS and FL
b. All current Federal agencies (incl. Military Personnel and equipment, FBI, NASA...) will be removed from the new "country"
c. All federal programs will cease (incl. Welfare, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, FDIC ...) in the new "country"

[onenote]

31. Here's a better idea

We not promote dumb ideas

[Darwins_Retriever]

59. Never said they were good ideas

Give me a good idea that will actually work. There has always been an Us v. Them and that will never change. Even during wars where it seems obvious who the bad guys were, there were those in this country and in every country that supported Them during war instead of Us.

[The Grand Illuminist]

53. It will take constitutional amendments for many of those...

Which will never happen in at least 3 generations. Only way is to elect pro Article V state legislator candidates.

[Dale in Laurel MD]

28. Another attraction, besides the money issue:

If the blue states were left alone, it probably wouldn't be hard to push through an amendment to abolish the electoral college (since the states that benefit from it would all be part of Red America). Then red states wanting readmission would no longer have disproportionate voice in choosing a president....

(I'm not really advocating secession -- I think it's a terrible idea. But it could have some interesting outcomes.)

[friend of a friend]

29. Not going to happen for a while.

Eventually, climate change will bring major changes in governments around the world.

[onenote]

30. Ever hear of Calexit?

One of the most organized secession groups is in a very blue state.

[msfiddlestix]

32. Emotionally speaking, I'm good with that.

on a practical level it will be impossible.

so, back to the drawing board.

[Runningdawg]

35. Please if they seceded, within a week one red state would be at war with another red state.

[The Jungle 1]

76. yup

[Zeitghost]

37. There are a handful of morons

That repeat this shit, most of whom are doing it because they are blowhards looking for attention.

No state legislature/government has seriously proposed doing so. It's clickbait BS.

[Tickle]

39. split half the country

I don't care. I keep hearing these states want to succeed from the USA. Do it and then we'll see how happy you are

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. They counter and say we've got the oil and grow the food; we'll prosper while you starve

And blue states say we've got the tech and becoming energy self-sufficient. Not to mention lots of own food growing.

But, hey, it's all just nutty speculation, somewhat dangerous, and needs to be shut down the way you did.

[Mr.Bill]

74. California grows more food than any of them. n/t

[The Jungle 1]

78. What they don't have is WATER.

[Evolve Dammit]

41. They are not going anywhere. This was tried once, remember? Not on Joe's watch anyhow.

[Grins]

42. "OK. But first pay us back what we gave you - with interest - and then 'we'll talk.'"

And be ready to print your own money, too.

[Chakaconcarne]

43. Which states and then maybe provide a source?

[Hekate]

44. The people who want to leave are actually in the minority. They are loud, stupid, & dangerous...

But the only way they maintain power is by vigorous gerrymandering and other vote suppression techniques.

Look at Georgia — one idiot white nationalist in the House versus two Democratic Senators, one Black and one Jewish. Fani Willis is Black, the mayor of Atlanta and his predecessor are both Black, Stacey Abrams is Black. The sheer quality of these people should make all of us proud. A oush to un-suppress the vote, and Georgia will be “purple,” not red.

I say, fight for our fellow Democrats across the red states. Fight.

[Cheezoholic]

45. I don't like this rhetoric

of "we pay more in they get more back so screw 'em". It sounds like repuke BS response against social programs via a pull themselves up by their "ideological" bootstraps argument if you will. I think its anti Democratic party in my view. This whole debate is foolish anyway IMO 'cause it ain't happening.

[pwb]

47. They take our money and give us the finger politically.

I agree, start taking away from the lesser taker states who vote against progress then get it anyway. If they vote no they don't get it. Sounds fair eh?

[Cheezoholic]

61. Yeah right. Leave Democrats to the red wolves. n/t

[friend of a friend]

89. Doesn't sound fair in a Democratic Republic.

[moonshinegnomie]

48. cut off unding to red counties

cut off all payments. noy one red cent.

[piddyprints]

54. I'm in a red county

In a red state. I vote blue in every election, even thought it doesn’t make a difference. I can’t move. Want to cut off my Social Security and Medicare?

This kind of talk has got to stop!!!

[area51]

100. +1 n/t

[twodogsbarking]

50. Shouldn't we call them "gray states"?

[Martin Eden]

51. All states are Purple

Some more red than blue, but every state has a mix of people across the demographic and political spectrum.

If gerrymandering and voter suppression were ended, state governments currently full-blown MAGA would not look nearly so red.

[Oneironaut]

56. It's an absurd notion, and, MTG is a smooth-brained dumbass.

A state can’t leave the union - ever. A governor can declare whatever they want, or, state legislatures can pass whatever they want - the Federal Government does not recognize states’ rights to secede from the union.

The only way a state could try to become its own territory would be through military force. This would certainly fail and put that state in dire financial straits. Also, most people are not dumb enough to support such a thing.

MTG is just speaking bullshit again.

[panader0]

60. Very dumb idea. Every red state has many (just not a majority) of good Democrats.

Please no more of this crap.

[niyad]

63. Many of our friends, our sister and brother Dems, live in those states.

[former9thward]

67. Make up your mind.

One day its a thread saying succession is "crazy and its unconstitutional". The next day its a thread saying "Let the red states go". Which is it?

[spanone]

72. How many?

Only heard MTG spewing this crap

[kskiska]

77. Until they read between the lines.

[The Jungle 1]

79. I always remember hurricane Sandy

The east coast was devastated. I live in the Philly area and had 30 grand of damage.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE RED STATES SAID? Sorry east coast you are on your own we can't afford to help.
DeSantis, Rubio and Cruz were a few of the scum who voted against helping.

That's me in the corner
That's me in the spot-light
Losing my religion
Trying to keep up with you
And I don't know if I can do it
Oh no I've said too much
I haven't said enough
R.E.M.

I will never forget. Pa won't forget if ass-hat desantis runs!
The red stats love our money but hate us.

Losing my religion: Means losing your temper or being at the end of your rope. Old southern saying. I may be wrong but I believe most folks do not understand that line.

[intheflow]

108. Thanks for this insight!

"Losing my Religion" makes more sense now, and of course it's a Southern expression as REM is from Georgia. I'm pushing 60, highly educated and well-read, and lived in Mississippi for two years and never heard the expression. Think I'm going to adopt it now, though. Much more polite than "losing my shit." lol

[The Jungle 1]

109. Plus it is a great song that will be around for ever.

Which will keep the saying alive.
I use it when I can but the problem is no one understands what I am saying. I actually went back and edited the explanation.
REM took some heat because there were those who thought the line was anti religion.

[meadowlander]

87. FAFO red states.

The price of your agriculture subsidies, hurricane and tornado relief, corporate welfare, and military pork is having to hear about the existence of gay people and people wishing you happy holidays. You decide.

[friend of a friend]

90. Some states give more than they get and some states get more than they give.

That's how our form of government works. And that's the type of government I want.

[The Jungle 1]

105. I agree that is how our society works and I support it.

Except the radical right wants it to work like a one way street.
After Hurricane Sandy
The east coast was devastated. I live in the Philly area and had 30 grand of damage on my property
YOU KNOW WHAT THE RED STATES SAID? Sorry east coast you are on your own we can't afford to help.
DeSantis, Rubio and Cruz were a few of the scum who voted against helping.
But when their states have a natural disaster guess who has their hand out.
If DeSantis runs I will work hard to make sure the Northeast remembers.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

91. Sure

Stop paying all of those soldiers and civilian employees at Fort Campbell…that should go over well…

[jmowreader]

92. This could be entertaining...

Something like this - this is Checkpoint Bravo, which you went through to get from East Germany to the west side of West Berlin - would be constructed everywhere a road crossed from the United States to the New Confederacy.

"We don't allow people to enter the United States with a trunk full of guns. Take that shit home right now. One word out of you and I'll arrest you for smuggling."

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

94. let them go

[Buns_of_Fire]

96. I can't believe no one has posted this yet...

[Jacson6]

101. Okay. Every citizen of the state that succeeds loses Social Security, Medicare and all tax credits

Money talks and BS walks.

[ripcord]

102. Sounds almost like the DU during TFG's presidency