I just listened to a discussion of Russian atrocities on MSNBC and one that was mentioned was the

[Atticus]

kidnapping of Ukrainian children and transporting them to Russia without their parents.

Yep! Only monsters would take children from their parents, right?

Right?

[2naSalit]

1. Right?

[3auld6phart]

13. Yep

That Cro magnon SOB and Abbott the texASS hole.

[Dirty Socialist]

2. Who learned that from whom?

[wnylib]

22. Birds of a feather

[Hekate]

31. It's an atrocity as old as humanity itself, crossing all cultures sooner or later. Just because it's

…shameful doesn’t make any one perp unique.

Russia and China are both real good at this re-education camp business in the here and now and back in Soviet days. Neither the Tibetans nor the Uighurs want their children taught only in Chinese with books available only in Chinese, yet this cultural genocide continues. In the US and Canada, indigenous tribes didn’t want their children taken off to English-language boarding schools, either.

At least democracies have the means, motive, and opportunity to try to make amends. Dictatorships make it a crime to even notice.

[yardwork]

36. That historical context makes it easier to see what Trump was doing.

[mopinko]

3. heard timothy snyder the other day-

basically said- to putler, tfg, and esp j6, proves democracy doesnt work, and we arent any better than him. that j6 will never be forgotten in russia.

sadly, i think the world agrees. gonna take a long time to live down that black eye.

[LymphocyteLover]

4. he thinks democracy doesn't work because the guy he installed to destroy our democracy

was able to screw up our democracy? Genius.

[mopinko]

7. well, you have to admit, he found all the chinks.

[paleotn]

20. There's always "chinks".

Democracy is messy. Always has been by its very nature. So, it's not fair to compare it to the supposed predictability of totalitarian regimes. But for all its messiness, it works. And J6 was no where near the greatest test our democracy has faced. 600K+ dead Americans in the Civil War can attest to that.

[yardwork]

35. But Putin doesn't understand democracy.

Snyder is an expert on Putin, Russia, and the history of Eastern Europe. He knows how they think. Unfortunately, there are plenty of Americans ready to go down the same totalitarian route.

I believe in democracy and I agree with you that it's messy, but that makes us resilient.

[uponit7771]

19. +1, part of the makeup of democracy is the people who are chosen as heads *WANT* democracy

... and the people actually choose them.

Neither of those existed with TFG and MAGA

[yardwork]

34. Yes, to Putin, that makes sense. Per Snyder.

I trust Snyder on how Putin thinks. So far, he's been right.

[LymphocyteLover]

5. Not sure what you're implying here about monsters... who else are you thinking of?

clearly Russia is an evil terrorist state and taking children is a war crime

[SouthernDem4ever]

8. Maybe the similarities between putin and trump?

as in separating kids from families at the border?

[Bluethroughu]

9. Trump.

Remember, he removed them from their parents and put them in cages.

Mililani had worn a jacket that said, "I don't care, do you".

[Farmer-Rick]

11. He learned about putting kids in cages from Epstein

I bet Putin did too.

[uponit7771]

21. +1, been saying the "P" tape is a tape of MAGA pedophiles. GQP allegiance to TFG isn't that organic

... and they're bold AF being against abortion, democracy and social security.

[LymphocyteLover]

32. OK, thanks. Yeah, he's done so many awful things I forgot about that

Jesus, it's so insane

[Bluethroughu]

41. The list is endless. It's easy to not remember everything.

He's a bloated orange puss filled bacteria.

[LymphocyteLover]

42. Indeed! I call him the orange anus... among many other things

[BigmanPigman]

6. They've been doing this for a long time...

I read about it over 6 months ago.

[Evolve Dammit]

25. same; maybe even earlier

[BigmanPigman]

28. I would go with earlier.

[Evolve Dammit]

29. Media was talking about this a few months after invasion. Can't tell you which outlet though.

[Beastly Boy]

10. There is a long history to this

It probably goes further than I am aware of, but this was a long standing practice in the Ottoman empire. If you've heard of Janissars, they were the elite warriors in the Ottoman army. They were overwhelmingly made up of Christian children kidnapped at an early age from conquered territories and raised as Muslims, given the best care and military education to become the most loyal defenders of the Empire.

This is what Putin is trying to emulate. It is far more sinister than just separating children from their parents. It is a tool to rule an empire. The problem with putin is, there will be no empire to rule when Ukrainian children grow up.

[stopdiggin]

26. yep. thanks for pointing out that there's more

layers to this than the simple cruelty of 'stealing children.' (although there's plenty of debasement to point to right there)

[90-percent]

12. Isn't Stephan Miller............

Isn't Stephan Miller. the former child cruelty tsar for the TFG administration, now a overpaid consultant to pooty-poot? Or was pooty-poot advising him while he was in the mango Mussolini administration?

Biden has reunited about 600 families that had their children kidnapped by the United States of America. Has Tucker eviscerated him for this overwhelming act of kindness yet?

-90% Jimmy

[FakeNoose]

40. Not Stephen Miller the former speech writer for Chump

That Stephen Miller is still in Washington kicking up as much trouble as he can. He's heading up America First Legal, which he says is the right wing's answer to the ACLU.

Here's his website, but don't spend too much time there: https://aflegal.org/

And for heaven's sake don't donate any money!

[barbtries]

14. it was a crime against humanity

when trump did it as well, you are correct.

will justice ever even come close for those families - hm. who?

[Boomerproud]

15. Yes, any regime that kidnaps children is criminal.

.I think that's pretty obvious.

[LakeArenal]

37. Aren't kidnapped kids working in slaughterhouses and factories right in in the ole USA?

[paleotn]

16. A rather barbaric way of fixing Russia's demographic spiral.

And since when has Russia, in its various forms, ever given a shit about basic human rights? Like never.

It seems the evolution of liberalism (inalienable rights, equality under the law, etc.) just never took in Russia like it did the West for various reasons. The Russian view of such things seems stunted. If you look at it from the view that Russian government is still a medieval regime, their actions begin to make sense. This is something you'd not be surprised of from Ivan the Terrible. They've not evolved much beyond that.

[wnylib]

23. From absolutist Czars to dictatorial Soviets to the dictatorship of oligarchs.

Russians don't like democracy.

[onecaliberal]

17. They clearly can't even hear themselves.

[rubbersole]

18. Documented war crimes are just one black eye for Russia.

The immanent collapse of the Russian economy and being the world's biggest pariah state will be pootie's legacy.

[whathehell]

24. I guess those weren't the children raped and tortured

in front of their parents, an even greater "crime against humanity", I'd say.

https://uacrisis.org/en/rosijski-soldaty-gvaltuyut-ditej-na-ochah-batkiv-na-harkivshhyni#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16773394763531&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fuacrisis.org%2Fen%2Frosijski-soldaty-gvaltuyut-ditej-na-ochah-batkiv-na-harkivshhyni

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16773399789752&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnews.com%2Fnews%2Fworld%2Frussian-troops-raped-tortured-children-ukraine-un-panel-says-rcna49168

[republianmushroom]

27. Right and Russia does have all the monsters

[cstanleytech]

30. Russia is clearly planning to use the children as hostages to get the parents to pressure

their government to agree to the Russian terms for peace if the want their children back.

[roamer65]

33. If any region of the RuZZian Federation wants out of the sanctions, secede from it.

That should be the requirement for removal of sanctions, breakaway and become an independent republic.

The sanctions should become the vehicle for the breakup of the RF.

[blue-wave]

38. Putin and company

are genocidal butchers. War crimes trails MUST be held. Open the courts at Nuremberg and dust off the gallows.

[PostTruth]

39. Indoctrination too

Indoctrination. Kidnapping. It's so terrible. Scarred for life.