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James Comer says NTSB was a typo (Original Post) underpants Feb 2023 OP
Comer is a stupid jackass! WVreaper Feb 2023 #1
... cilla4progress Feb 2023 #5
Oh FFS cilla4progress Feb 2023 #2
Yeah, he meant NHTSA 😀 TheBlackAdder Feb 2023 #40
it wasn't a typo -- it was ignorance. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #3
Is it amplification, though, cilla4progress Feb 2023 #6
Of course it is. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #9
It's about venting and sharing, cilla4progress Feb 2023 #10
What venting was done in the original post? W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #13
No one who posts here about news or current events... hippywife Feb 2023 #14
That's your opinion -- it's not mine. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #20
You may have been around ALMOST as long as some of us, hippywife Feb 2023 #24
Post removed Post removed Feb 2023 #27
Remedial reading might be of some help. hippywife Feb 2023 #29
Yeah, no kidding. demmiblue Feb 2023 #22
Seriously? Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #8
You would prefer a Democratic message board that amplifies Republican lies? W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #11
Oh, FFS. Have a nice day. Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #15
Par for the course, really. n/t demmiblue Feb 2023 #23
The OP's debunking RW bullshit, NOT amplifying it. Even the most cursory of reads clearly shows this Celerity Feb 2023 #17
There was no context or commentary added. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #25
the sequence of the OP makes it self explanatory nt Celerity Feb 2023 #30
I disagree. W_HAMILTON Feb 2023 #31
you seem to be exhibiting a very low opinion of the average DU reader's cognitive discernment skills Celerity Feb 2023 #32
I agree. ShazzieB Feb 2023 #41
Well my weather ain't fine....so mercuryblues Feb 2023 #19
LOL! Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #43
This was NO typo! ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2023 #4
And everyone on the Repub side signed it. No one saw this error. Not one. underpants Feb 2023 #26
They probably saw it. It's just that none of them had any idea it was an error. Very few of them LoisB Feb 2023 #39
Lol! Yes. My fingers always slip to NTSB that way. Sometimes I'm doing a Scrivener7 Feb 2023 #7
... cilla4progress Feb 2023 #12
excellent gopiscrap Feb 2023 #16
See post 26 above underpants Feb 2023 #28
Ha!!! So true! paleotn Feb 2023 #33
you mean james comer the thug? dembotoz Feb 2023 #18
Liar. They all lie. He's no different. spanone Feb 2023 #21
A typo is when you hit the wrong letter appleannie1 Feb 2023 #34
Amen. LoisB Feb 2023 #37
Foot in mouth disease. Requires N95 gags to stop the spread. mjvpi Feb 2023 #35
That is one hell of a typo. LoisB Feb 2023 #36
1. Mayor Pete? It's Secretary Buttigieg, assh0le. Nice try to diminish his authority. OMGWTF Feb 2023 #38
The NTSB 5-member governing board is frequently short one or two members SpankMe Feb 2023 #42
Excellent post. Thank you. underpants Feb 2023 #44

WVreaper

(675 posts)
1. Comer is a stupid jackass!
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:13 PM
Feb 2023

Oopps that. was a typo. I meant to say that he is smarter than TFG.

cilla4progress

(26,525 posts)
2. Oh FFS
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:13 PM
Feb 2023

Their magat followers may be dimwits (with apologies to the dimwitted - no offense meant... )

But the rest of us aren't as STOOOOOOPID as your dumb effin' voters!

WTF.

W_HAMILTON

(10,336 posts)
3. it wasn't a typo -- it was ignorance.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:16 PM
Feb 2023

And I don't know why you would want to amplify his bullshit explanation for his ignorance here.

W_HAMILTON

(10,336 posts)
9. Of course it is.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:24 PM
Feb 2023

And what discussion should there be for such a bullshit explanation, pray tell?

Here's the discussion: it's bullshit.

It's not a typo, as anyone with eyes can see.

It's just more ignorance from the party that exalts ignorance as their party platform.

cilla4progress

(26,525 posts)
10. It's about venting and sharing,
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:26 PM
Feb 2023

is it not?

I mean...I don't discuss this stuff in any detail with my politically like-minded friends. We have other things to talk about and do.

I bring my grievances, my joy, my fears, my anxieties here to this supportive community.



W_HAMILTON

(10,336 posts)
13. What venting was done in the original post?
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:30 PM
Feb 2023

There is no commentary added.

As such, it comes across as helping Republicans broadcast their obvious lie about why they made such a blatantly ignorant error.

hippywife

(22,777 posts)
14. No one who posts here about news or current events...
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:47 PM
Feb 2023

for discussion on this site is amplifying republican BS, especially not someone like underpants. As a matter of fact that is a good way forward in getting oneself tombstoned. The context here is the community.

This was posted in the standard way this tight-knit community always has, to inform others here, and generate general discussion, with that understanding. There was nothing wrong with the way it was approached.

W_HAMILTON

(10,336 posts)
20. That's your opinion -- it's not mine.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 05:13 PM
Feb 2023

I can easily see this exact same post being made on a Republican-friendly website to try and belittle and counter Buttigieg's (rightful) point. Without any context or commentary -- not even a "hey, look at what sort of bs they are trying to pull!" -- that's how it comes off to me.

And I've been here for just about as long as you two have, so don't try and bully me with that.

hippywife

(22,777 posts)
24. You may have been around ALMOST as long as some of us,
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 05:19 PM
Feb 2023

but obviously not nearly as much. If you had been, you wouldn't be the only person expressing a problem with how this was approached.

And my post was not just MY opinion, obviously. Everyone who disagrees with you is not bullying you, or even trying to, maybe think about that.

Response to hippywife (Reply #24)

hippywife

(22,777 posts)
29. Remedial reading might be of some help.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 05:29 PM
Feb 2023

What I said (look you don't even need to go back to my post and read it!):

"No one who posts here about news or current events for discussion on this site is amplifying republican BS, especially not someone like underpants. As a matter of fact that is a good way forward in getting oneself tombstoned."

Amplifying RWNJ BS will get one tombstoned. I didn't even say YOU.

Scrivener7

(59,531 posts)
8. Seriously?
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:20 PM
Feb 2023

Pretty soon posters here will be taking shit for saying, "Fine weather we're having."

Celerity

(54,431 posts)
17. The OP's debunking RW bullshit, NOT amplifying it. Even the most cursory of reads clearly shows this
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 05:05 PM
Feb 2023

W_HAMILTON

(10,336 posts)
25. There was no context or commentary added.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 05:20 PM
Feb 2023

Just a portion of the letter, the tweet (that even the Fox News clip showed), and then the Fox News clip of the two derisively calling Secretary Buttigieg "Mayor Pete" and then that guy's bullshit explanation for his error that was due to his own ignorance and nothing more.

W_HAMILTON

(10,336 posts)
31. I disagree.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 06:01 PM
Feb 2023

Even the normal sequencing of such a "fact check" is claim first, then the debunking, which actually makes the order of the original post -- letter, Buttigieg claim, Fox News propaganda explaining it away -- make it seem even more like the Fox News clip is the one debunking Buttigieg.

There's no point in arguing, though. I just get tired of seeing obvious and blatant Republican stupidity amplified here on a Democratic message board. I don't even get the purpose of it. We know Republicans are often stupid and even more often, lie. What is achieved by posting such a clip? I'm sure the Republican committee member in question is more than pleased to have his message spread far and wide in an attempt to discredit Buttigieg's rightful criticism.

Celerity

(54,431 posts)
32. you seem to be exhibiting a very low opinion of the average DU reader's cognitive discernment skills
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 06:15 PM
Feb 2023

just my tuppenceworth

cheers

Cel

ShazzieB

(22,604 posts)
41. I agree.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:44 PM
Feb 2023

Personally, I find Republican stupidity to be entertaining. Pointing and laughing is a sufficient response, as far as I'm concerned.



We DUers know stupid when we see it. We don't need to have it explained to us.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,906 posts)
4. This was NO typo!
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:16 PM
Feb 2023

Rep. Comer does not understand that there are Government Agencies and Departments independent of one another, yet share common goals.

Just as the NTSB is not part of the FAA, though they both investigate Aviation disasters.

LoisB

(13,036 posts)
39. They probably saw it. It's just that none of them had any idea it was an error. Very few of them
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 06:45 PM
Feb 2023

seem to understand how the government works but they want to be in charge of it. By the way, thank you for posting it - I had not seen it before.

Scrivener7

(59,531 posts)
7. Lol! Yes. My fingers always slip to NTSB that way. Sometimes I'm doing a
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 04:18 PM
Feb 2023

shopping list and I get this:

yogurt
carrots
milk
chocoNTSBlate

Happens all the time.

underpants

(196,526 posts)
28. See post 26 above
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 05:26 PM
Feb 2023

Everyone signed it. Not one of them or their staff caught this error.

appleannie1

(5,457 posts)
34. A typo is when you hit the wrong letter
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 06:19 PM
Feb 2023

When you type out National Transportation Safety Board in full and then put NTSB after it a couple times, it is not a typo, it is a blunder on your part.

OMGWTF

(5,131 posts)
38. 1. Mayor Pete? It's Secretary Buttigieg, assh0le. Nice try to diminish his authority.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 06:43 PM
Feb 2023

2. If it's just a "typo" then, please tell us what the corrected statement is, assh0le.

3. This disaster is the Rethuglicans' fault, assh0le.

4. This stupid letter is signed by the usual assh0les.

5. Have I told you lately how much I fking loathe these assh0les?

SpankMe

(3,721 posts)
42. The NTSB 5-member governing board is frequently short one or two members
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:02 PM
Feb 2023

The NTSB has powers to investigate accidents and subpoena records. They have no authority to enforce rules and regulations, and they have no power to create new regulations. They can make criminal referrals to law enforcement if they find evidence of criminal acts. But they otherwise have no law enforcement powers. They can - and are required to - determine root cause or probable cause of accidents, and to make recommendations (and ONLY recommendations) about how to prevent accidents in the future.

In exchange for having no authority whatsoever - other to investigate unfettered and make recommendations based on findings - the NTSB was originally protected from any and all politically partisan interference so that they could be completely truthful, candid and unencumbered in their investigations, opinions and recommendations.

This hasn't stopped pro-business and anti-regulation lawmakers (mostly Republican, but not exclusively so) to weaken the NTSB by stifling NTSB's budget, politicizing some NTSB findings, and failing to keep the 5 member governing board fully staffed. They're afraid that the exposure of deficiencies by even a powerless board is a threat to their capitalist overlords. (Members of the governing board require senate approval, and the chair and vice chair are named by the president.)

In recent times there is evidence that the NTSB has been lax in investigating general aviation (GA) accidents and paying even shorter shrift to accidents where the pilot is black. It has been taking up to 3 years to publish final accident reports - even on simple GA accidents. This is way too long. They have not been able to come up with root causes in many cases, and the reported probable causes have been overly generalized and weak. Many final reports have no recommendations (which are required) or the recommendations are perfunctory one-liners.

The governing board is frequently short one or two members, and I believe this is a factor in the degradation of vigor that we're seeing at NTSB in recent years. Currently, they are one member short. With a Democratic Senate and Whitehouse, there is no excuse for not getting a new board member in there right now. For some reason, this just isn't a priority for either party.

I want the NTSB's budget increased. I want the governing board to be fully staffed, with vacancies no longer than a few months. I want the NTSB getting final reports published in a year or less - 18 months max for complicated cases. I want to see new technologies employed that will significantly improve the ability to get to the root cause of accidents. I want staff to be required to document real and detailed root/probable cause statements, and make specific recommendations that would have a positive impact on future aviation (and train/truck/marine) safety.

Also, Rep. James Comer can eat my ass.

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