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In It to Win It

(12,651 posts)
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 06:43 PM Feb 2023

@BryanCranston explains to Chris Wallace why "MAGA" is a racist remark. *Twitter clip*




Cranston: The “Make America Great Again”, my comment is “do you- do you- do you accept that that could possibly be construed as a racist remark?”, and most people- a lot of people- go “how could that be racist, Make America Great Again?” I said “so just ask yourself from an African-American experience, when was it ever great in America for the African-American? When was it great?” so if you’re making it great again, it’s not including them-

so it’s to teach us in the woke world to open up and accept the possibilities that our privilege has created blind spots for us and maybe, I haven’t seen what is really happening in all my years.
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@BryanCranston explains to Chris Wallace why "MAGA" is a racist remark. *Twitter clip* (Original Post) In It to Win It Feb 2023 OP
Ty & Bryan Cranston! Cha Feb 2023 #1
make America great again means -- let's bring back Jim Crow vlyons Feb 2023 #2
I can still see the signs posted in hotels.. agingdem Feb 2023 #3
And "Irish need not apply." Comfortably_Numb Feb 2023 #8
Yes.. agingdem Feb 2023 #14
And "No soldiers!" Grins Feb 2023 #42
"MAGA.. a filthy acronym for racial and ethnic hate..." GB_RN Feb 2023 #23
I remember ones Karma13612 Feb 2023 #33
why stop there? I mean really, it was chattel slavery and genocide that built this country anarch Feb 2023 #35
Nail on the head right there! edisdead Feb 2023 #44
Make Assholes Go Away czarjak Feb 2023 #4
Meth Addicts Going Apeshit The Magistrate Feb 2023 #36
Interestingly I've always hated MAGA because I loathed the idea that we were better before. Biophilic Feb 2023 #5
MAGA is essentially a return to the fictional 1950's Leave It To Beaver world and Mayberry NickB79 Feb 2023 #6
Spot on! Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #10
Heh. I think you hit all, or most of the Major "markers" of back then. electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #25
You are right. I wouldn't want Karma13612 Feb 2023 #34
I think so, with a strong component of what's called "in-group love" -- Hortensis Feb 2023 #43
That dude is an American treasure. Bleacher Creature Feb 2023 #7
I was going to say the same thing. Sky Jewels Feb 2023 #11
Favorite Scenes... DET Feb 2023 #16
"You're a rabid anti-dentite!" Grown2Hate Feb 2023 #29
I've a strong hunch that it is about Obama as POTUS a much as it is about the good old days. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2023 #9
weapons and ammo sales spiked under O, and demand exceeded supply for years. Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #12
Oh, I mentioned that (Obama's reelection) once here in DU... electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #24
make Hal great again CatWoman Feb 2023 #13
I know nothing about this show NJCher Feb 2023 #30
Wonderful Show DET Feb 2023 #32
Now that you know, intrepidity Feb 2023 #37
thanks for the encouragement NJCher Feb 2023 #40
This boomer can't even begin to process that info intrepidity Feb 2023 #41
ok I was really nervous. Misread the headline. ecstatic Feb 2023 #15
Have you seen the second season yet? I've been nervous to watch worried they would ruin it ColinC Feb 2023 #19
I'm really enjoying the 2nd season of Your Honor liberal_mama Feb 2023 #21
It's fun seeing Hector Salamanca again intrepidity Feb 2023 #38
I've been watching it. I'm liking it so far In It to Win It Feb 2023 #22
Was there ever any doubt? It was only great for Phoenix61 Feb 2023 #17
Chris Wallace entertaining this wokeness has got to have severed whatever ties he has to fox ColinC Feb 2023 #18
Look closely at the look on his face when the camera shows him. Prairie_Seagull Feb 2023 #28
went back and looked at it NJCher Feb 2023 #31
I saw that too intrepidity Feb 2023 #39
Add to this, the 60s on distorted our memory of the "race riot." halfulglas Feb 2023 #20
Wtg, Brian Cranston! He also had a very small role but very pivitol character in Babylon 5. electric_blue68 Feb 2023 #26
like it republianmushroom Feb 2023 #27

agingdem

(8,849 posts)
3. I can still see the signs posted in hotels..
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:08 PM
Feb 2023

No Negroes
No Jews
No Dogs..

MAGA.. a filthy acronym for racial and ethnic hate...

GB_RN

(3,560 posts)
23. "MAGA.. a filthy acronym for racial and ethnic hate..."
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:52 PM
Feb 2023

And that's why I refer to that crowd as MAGAts. The pun is intentional and fitting.

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
33. I remember ones
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 07:06 AM
Feb 2023

Where Dogs were listed BEFORE Jews.

Horrible. The sign, the sentiment, all of it. Just horrible.

anarch

(6,536 posts)
35. why stop there? I mean really, it was chattel slavery and genocide that built this country
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 09:52 AM
Feb 2023

the MAGA crowd should just go ahead and say outright that those are the things they want to bring back; at least it would be more honest

Biophilic

(6,552 posts)
5. Interestingly I've always hated MAGA because I loathed the idea that we were better before.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:21 PM
Feb 2023

But being white I never was precise on what was wrong with the concept. So many ways to hide our prejudices. It’s always startling when they pop up. Thank you for posting this.

NickB79

(20,356 posts)
6. MAGA is essentially a return to the fictional 1950's Leave It To Beaver world and Mayberry
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:22 PM
Feb 2023

Nothing but white, straight, smiling people as far as the eye can see. Dad goes off to work, Mom stays home and cooks, cleans, and has dinner on the table, all while wearing a sun dress and apron. The kids are always respectful of their elders or they get a few belt lashes across the ass.

The men are the heads of the household and the breadwinners, except for the occasional elementary teacher or nurse, and even they aren't making more than their husbands (heaven forbid!).

The women know their place, never challenging a man's authority.

The Blacks aren't uppity, just always smiling and saying "Yassir!" to Mr. Smith.

The gays are in the closet.

The Mexicans are either in Mariachi bands or mowing your lawn.

The religion is Christian, and only Protestant or Baptist at that.

The world of MAGA is only great for heterosexual, patriarchal white men.

Karma13612

(4,981 posts)
34. You are right. I wouldn't want
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 07:11 AM
Feb 2023

To return to that for any money. I lived thru it. And from a straight woman’s perspective, things are slowly reverting back to it with SCOTUS helping every chance they get.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. I think so, with a strong component of what's called "in-group love" --
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 05:50 PM
Feb 2023

nostalgia for this happy (for white people) white America picture, and of "out-group hate" or rejection, of what conflicts.

These days, though, even most conservatives prone to white nationalist nostalgia (including even many MAGAs) want that picture advanced to include many of the social advances they grew up with and see as normal. Just a couple episodes of bland "Father Knows Best" will have something to elicit an "Oh, I don't think so!" among them also. As opposed to the RW extremists whose noise is being trumpeted everywhere, but are far less representative.

Conservatives in general do tend to value and need for comfort a higher degree than liberals of social conformity and social stability undisturbed by change, and those old sitcoms were full of both. But for most the nostalgia's for a "natural," "appropriate" domination by what was seen as the dominant culture. They have a notably greater comfort with and acceptance of inequality than liberals. But hate and ugly oppression, cringeworthy servility by minorities, lashes to the children, are not part of the nostalgia for most, only the worst.

People in our whitest states may fail to realize how comfortable even most conservatives are who grew up with more diversity and integration than is normal in white states. Horrible people want to bring back lynching to keep other races servile, many authoritarian MAGAs want the same effect while denying evil's required; but many moderate conservatives approved the #BLM protests and their goals.

That most conservatives want most of what we do, including good jobs for women, etc, even though to less "wild" and more conforming degrees, is important to make the most of. While they vote with MAGAs and make MAGAism possible, it's appropriate enough to regard them as a huge part of that problem, but still will recognizing the significant differences among them. Hopefully the extremism of the MAGAs will continue forcing more and more moderate cons to a point where they have to break away to vote for what all studies say they want. To the point where the norm to conform to shifts away from extremism to a sensible decency.

Bleacher Creature

(11,504 posts)
7. That dude is an American treasure.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:24 PM
Feb 2023

Never in my wildest dreams would the goody dad from Malcolm in the Middle turn out to be an icon, but here we are.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
11. I was going to say the same thing.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:58 PM
Feb 2023

And, let's not forget he played Dr. Tim Whatley, DMD, on Seinfeld.

DET

(2,499 posts)
16. Favorite Scenes...
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:16 PM
Feb 2023
Father Curtis : [in a confessional booth] Tell me your sins, my son.
Jerry : Well, I should tell you that I'm Jewish.
Father Curtis : That's no sin.
Jerry : Oh, good. Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about Dr. Whatley. I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism just for the jokes.
Father Curtis : And this offends you as a Jewish person?
Jerry : No, it offends me as a comedian!

SleeplessinSoCal

(10,412 posts)
9. I've a strong hunch that it is about Obama as POTUS a much as it is about the good old days.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 07:55 PM
Feb 2023

Last edited Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:27 PM - Edit history (3)

And yes. It's racist. Fox News viewers have an entirely different idea of the 44th President's accomplishments. I swear, the fact that Obama won reelection and asshat didn't, totally drove them insane.

electric_blue68

(26,856 posts)
24. Oh, I mentioned that (Obama's reelection) once here in DU...
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:57 PM
Feb 2023

To Fake News viewers Obama being elected originally; some part of their mind could chalk it up to being a "fluke"

But then, the absolute "affrontery" of him being reelected?!!!!! The "flukyness" goes out the window.

Minds go "Boom"!

NJCher

(43,165 posts)
30. I know nothing about this show
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 09:39 PM
Feb 2023

but I laughed my head off at this; especially the line "Should I be impressed or horrified?"

NJCher

(43,165 posts)
40. thanks for the encouragement
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 04:23 PM
Feb 2023

You might be shocked to know that this baby boomer has never watched a tv show lasting 30" in her life.

However, this show may be the first.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
41. This boomer can't even begin to process that info
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 04:27 PM
Feb 2023

I just.... it..... how....... nope, broken.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
15. ok I was really nervous. Misread the headline.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:16 PM
Feb 2023

I watch his show (Your Honor) and definitely didn't want to have to boycott it.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
19. Have you seen the second season yet? I've been nervous to watch worried they would ruin it
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:22 PM
Feb 2023

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
21. I'm really enjoying the 2nd season of Your Honor
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:31 PM
Feb 2023

Maybe even more than the first season. Bryan Cranston is incredible in it.

Phoenix61

(18,828 posts)
17. Was there ever any doubt? It was only great for
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:19 PM
Feb 2023

Straight, white, Protestant, males and some would like to go back to that. IMHO it’s because it’s because they bring so little to the table it’s the only way they end up on top.

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
18. Chris Wallace entertaining this wokeness has got to have severed whatever ties he has to fox
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:21 PM
Feb 2023

Not sure he had a ton of fans on Fox News to begin with, but now I’m sure they’re completely lost.

Prairie_Seagull

(4,689 posts)
28. Look closely at the look on his face when the camera shows him.
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 09:19 PM
Feb 2023

That is not an, I see where you are coming from look. What it is, well I leave that up to you.

Cranston Rocks it.

NJCher

(43,165 posts)
31. went back and looked at it
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 09:47 PM
Feb 2023

based on your comment. Wallace is actually smirking. I was appalled at that expression. What a @$#head.

and all the while, Bryan Cranston is deeply involved in his explanation, which is thoughtful and empathetic, but Wallace can't even muster the ability to truly listen to what he is saying.

These MAGATs are beyond hope, they really are.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
39. I saw that too
Sun Feb 26, 2023, 03:46 PM
Feb 2023

That Cranstan felt Wallace needed convincing is nauseating. I mean, that Wallace needed convincing is nauseating. And yet he smirks. Jerk.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
20. Add to this, the 60s on distorted our memory of the "race riot."
Sat Feb 25, 2023, 08:30 PM
Feb 2023

Historically most race riots even in the north were white men rampaging and beating and killing black people. The draft riot in New York during the civil war was because white men did not want a war to free enslaved people (although it was to preserve the Union).

Look up almost any riot prior to the 60s and you'll find it's the white people doing the rioting. But just last year I had a very nice late middle aged man tell me he was looking to retire but didn't want to retire to where there would be any rioting.

(Guess he shouldn't consider Charlottesburg.)

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