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Nevilledog

(55,082 posts)
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 11:48 AM Feb 2023

Barricaded Siblings Turn to TikTok While Defying Court Order to Return to Father They Say Abused The

https://www.propublica.org/article/parental-alienation-utah-livestream-siblings

Two siblings in Utah have barricaded themselves in a bedroom at their mother’s home in defiance of a judge’s order to return to the custody of their father, despite state child welfare investigators determining that he had sexually abused the children.

The judge has authorized police to use “reasonable force” — including entry into locked rooms — against Brynlee Larson, 12, and Ty Larson, 15. Ty has spent the last month livestreaming on TikTok to call attention to their case.

The showdown is the fallout from the latest family court battle over “parental alienation” — a disputed psychological theory in which one parent is accused of brainwashing a child to turn them against the other parent.

“My own word does not matter, and they don’t believe my truth,” Ty said in a video posted to TikTok last month that received more than 370,000 views. “The court system isn’t trying to save us, nobody’s trying to keep us safe. I am the one that’s going to have to choose my own safety.”

Police visited the home in December and attempted to remove the siblings but decided not to break down the door despite the father’s request that they do so, according to police reports. Given the “potentially combustible situation,” officers have asked for clarification from the court before carrying out Judge Derek P. Pullan’s order, according to court records.

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Unbelievable
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Barricaded Siblings Turn to TikTok While Defying Court Order to Return to Father They Say Abused The (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2023 OP
May all involved receive everything they deserve. niyad Feb 2023 #1
He was found guilty by Child and Family services. Maraya1969 Feb 2023 #2
Judge Needs An Attitude Adjustment, Ma'am The Magistrate Feb 2023 #3
The judge ordered that they undergo "reunification therapy" muriel_volestrangler Feb 2023 #4
Wonder if she and the judge share a fee. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2023 #8
Parental alienation is a money scam. Similar to cbabe Feb 2023 #5
+1 2naSalit Feb 2023 #6
Yup, and the dude who created is is a sicko obamanut2012 Feb 2023 #11
Yup, and the dude who created is is a sicko obamanut2012 Feb 2023 #12
Wonder what that judge's... 2naSalit Feb 2023 #7
Ya think? Hekate Feb 2023 #15
judges realize theres no actual consequences for their actions moonshinegnomie Feb 2023 #9
Parental Alienation is proven bullshit obamanut2012 Feb 2023 #10
Allen v Farrow cbabe Feb 2023 #14
So, the state of Utah Bettie Feb 2023 #13
As long as they are family members... 2naSalit Feb 2023 #16
Gottlieb only has a master's in social work and PA isn't in the DSM. scipan Feb 2023 #17

Maraya1969

(23,497 posts)
2. He was found guilty by Child and Family services.
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 01:08 PM
Feb 2023

"In 2018, Utah’s Division of Child and Family Services found that the father, Brent Joel Larson, had sexually and emotionally abused his children. Investigators categorized the abuse as “severe & chronic.” The findings led to Larson’s parenting time being restricted to a handful of supervised monthly visits, as well as a 150-day restraining order that prohibited him from having any other contact with the children."

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
4. The judge ordered that they undergo "reunification therapy"
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 01:26 PM
Feb 2023

Now there's an Orwellian phrase for you.

The so-called reunification camp that Ty and Brynlee have been ordered to attend with their father, Turning Points for Families, is run by Linda Gottlieb, a New York-based social worker who markets her program as a “therapeutic vacation.”

Gottlieb’s services include taking the children to an undisclosed location for a four-day “sequestration period.” During treatment, the children meet with the “unjustifiably rejected” parent. Afterward, they remain in the alienated parent’s custody for 90 days and are prohibited from having contact with the other parent or related family members.

In an interview with ProPublica, Gottlieb said she is dismayed at how social media is being used to attack her program and others like it.

“We can’t have what happened in Utah happen again,” said Gottlieb, who said she will be requesting that courts that refer minors to her program issue orders prohibiting parents and children who resist from speaking publicly about their cases.

This seems like a case where the children are old enough to be able to express themselves independently, so what they say should carry a lot of weight. And they are certainly adamant.

cbabe

(6,648 posts)
5. Parental alienation is a money scam. Similar to
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 01:58 PM
Feb 2023

conversion therapy or kids for sale.

It’s a made up diagnosis not in any medical book. Used by courts and fake therapists to rake in tens of thousands in court costs and ‘therapy’ fees while abusing children.

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
11. Yup, and the dude who created is is a sicko
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 05:14 PM
Feb 2023

Woody Allen used this guy's invention againt Mia Farrow, and this we have that sick fuck Allen to thank for it becoming a thing.

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
12. Yup, and the dude who created is is a sicko
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 05:22 PM
Feb 2023

Woody Allen used this guy's invention againt Mia Farrow, and this we have that sick fuck Allen to thank for it becoming a thing.

moonshinegnomie

(4,022 posts)
9. judges realize theres no actual consequences for their actions
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 04:56 PM
Feb 2023

its time for that to change. not just for judges but for cops and prosecutors too.

lets say the kids get returned to the dad and he abuses them again.
lock the judge up for life. at the least

obamanut2012

(29,369 posts)
10. Parental Alienation is proven bullshit
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 05:13 PM
Feb 2023

We have fucking Woody Allen to thank for it becoming a thing. Look up the pedo guy who invented parental alienation. Sick fuck.

Fifteen is definitely old enough to decide who to live with, and 12 usually is.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
13. So, the state of Utah
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 05:57 PM
Feb 2023

officially supports child sexual abuse.

Those poor kids and their mother. I can't even imagine how torturous it is for them all to know that they will be forced to go back to a place where they are guaranteed to be sexual abused.

I really believed that it was better than when I was a kid being abused. Apparently, nothing has changed.

2naSalit

(102,798 posts)
16. As long as they are family members...
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 08:17 PM
Feb 2023

It's all good. Houses in that part of the world often have five+ bedrooms. Idaho is worse, reminds me of New England in the'60s, kids were possessions and as long as you didn't actually kill them, it was up to you as to what you did with them.

scipan

(3,041 posts)
17. Gottlieb only has a master's in social work and PA isn't in the DSM.
Mon Feb 27, 2023, 09:22 PM
Feb 2023

Stories of those who went through the program: (horrific)

https://amgreatness.com/2022/08/20/expose-the-quiet-epidemic-of-judicial-child-trafficking-in-america/

ETA:

The theory of parental alienation is now almost totally discredited by academics. It has never been recognized by the American Psychiatric Association (APA), or any other academic association. It has never passed the scrutiny of peer review.

Further, Gardner was sympathetic towards child sex abusers, saying “there’s a little bit of pedophilia in all of us,” claiming that children sometimes seduce adults and excusing pedophilia by saying it was normal in many cultures.

He died by suicide in 2003.

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(Minh is the mother of 2 children, Hannah and Matthew, who were ordered to receive the "therapy".)

Gottlieb allegedly ordered Minh to leave the restaurant, or she would add another 90 days to the sequestration period after the four-day “therapy.” Gottlieb allegedly became irate at Hannah over her distress and slammed a table against Hannah in the restaurant. That was only the beginning of the abuse.

Eventually, all the parties except for Minh headed to the hotel where Gottlieb began her session. The private investigators followed. During that first session, Gottlieb reportedly punched Hannah. Minh received a text from Matthew saying that he needed the police. The private investigators called the police and contacted the hotel staff. When the police arrived, Hannah reported the abuse and was taken to the hospital. She was hospitalized for three days, effectively ending the four-day “therapy” program. All parties left New York after Hannah’s hospitalization ended.
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