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Celerity

(43,077 posts)
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:03 AM Feb 2023

Social Security Expansion Act Fact Sheet

https://www.sanders.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Social-Security-Expansion-Act-one-pager-Final.pdf

Social Security is one of the most popular and successful government programs in the history of our country. For more than 80 years, through good times and bad, Social Security has paid out every benefit owed to every eligible American on time and without delay. In 2021, Social Security lifted 26.3 million Americans out of poverty, including more than 18 million seniors. Before it was created in 1935, about half of our nation’s seniors were living in poverty. Today, the senior poverty rate is 10.3 percent. Yet, despite this success, tens of millions of seniors and 25 percent of people with disabilities are still struggling to get by, and many older workers fear that they will never be able to retire with security and dignity.

The most recent evidence indicates that nearly 40 percent of seniors rely on Social Security for a majority of their income and one in every seven seniors rely on it for more than 90 percent of their income. And to make matters worse, nearly half of Americans age 55 and older have no retirement savings. Meanwhile, the average Social Security benefit is only $1,688 a month. Social Security is not going broke. Social Security has a $2.85 trillion surplus in its trust fund and can pay every promised benefit to every eligible American until the year 2035. After that, the Social Security Administration estimates that there will be enough funding available to pay 80 percent of promised benefits. Given this reality, our job is not to cut Social Security, as many of our Republican colleagues in Congress want to do. Our job is to expand Social Security and extend its solvency so that everyone in America can retire with the respect that they have earned and deserve after a lifetime of hard work. That’s what the Social Security Expansion Act is all about.

The Social Security Expansion Act would:



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Social Security Expansion Act Fact Sheet (Original Post) Celerity Feb 2023 OP
K n R ! Thanks for posting!...nt JoeOtterbein Feb 2023 #1
No point reading it; it won't pass the House OR Senate. brooklynite Feb 2023 #2
It helps to campaign on it, as it targets a massive voting bloc and shows Republican skulduggery. nt Celerity Feb 2023 #3
Who will be campaigning on this? brooklynite Feb 2023 #4
Surely many Democrats will, certainly significant elements of it, it's hardly a left wing-only issue Celerity Feb 2023 #5
Yeah, Putin has better odds at winning the Nobel Peace Prize than yaesu Feb 2023 #14
100% WarGamer Feb 2023 #6
that is in there, see: Celerity Feb 2023 #7
excellent... WarGamer Feb 2023 #17
Yes, of course, and we have trojan horses like Sinema, Manchin, and some of the Problems Solvers Celerity Feb 2023 #18
I would love to see that pass and become... 2naSalit Feb 2023 #8
Will that 12.4% affect retired people living off investments? tinrobot Feb 2023 #9
I think there are safeguards for the non wealthy, see this: Celerity Feb 2023 #10
While they're at it, how about lowering retirement age back to 65? BWdem4life Feb 2023 #11
A bipartisan group of Senators is talking about raising it to 70, and changing the formula to reduce Celerity Feb 2023 #12
Better make it 80. BWdem4life Feb 2023 #13
The same assholes that want it to be 70 The Mouth Feb 2023 #15
like it republianmushroom Feb 2023 #16
K & R...I could use the raise... Wounded Bear Feb 2023 #19
It's hugely important to push & publicize proposals like these, snot Feb 2023 #20

brooklynite

(94,312 posts)
2. No point reading it; it won't pass the House OR Senate.
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:11 AM
Feb 2023

The last Congress would have been a better choice.

Celerity

(43,077 posts)
3. It helps to campaign on it, as it targets a massive voting bloc and shows Republican skulduggery. nt
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:13 AM
Feb 2023

brooklynite

(94,312 posts)
4. Who will be campaigning on this?
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:17 AM
Feb 2023

Other than Bernie (who's appeal is thin outside of safe Blue districts) I'm not aware that Biden, Schumer or Jeffries are going to push this.

Celerity

(43,077 posts)
5. Surely many Democrats will, certainly significant elements of it, it's hardly a left wing-only issue
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:23 AM
Feb 2023

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
14. Yeah, Putin has better odds at winning the Nobel Peace Prize than
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 01:42 AM
Feb 2023

This bill passing but it is a great idea which means the fascists would never vote for it.

WarGamer

(12,327 posts)
6. 100%
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:25 AM
Feb 2023

Although I'd add... raise the minimum benefit amount.

Right now some people receive just $700/mo even though they worked the required number of quarters.

WarGamer

(12,327 posts)
17. excellent...
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 02:48 PM
Feb 2023

But I'm afraid that a lot of politicians are afraid to upset high income earners...

Otherwise, why wouldn't this already be law?

Celerity

(43,077 posts)
18. Yes, of course, and we have trojan horses like Sinema, Manchin, and some of the Problems Solvers
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 02:55 PM
Feb 2023

Caucus kneecapping our Party from within (or partially within, in Curtsy's case now) when we try and get things like this done.

It is also, of course, a given that the Rethug vermin will always block these things.

tinrobot

(10,883 posts)
9. Will that 12.4% affect retired people living off investments?
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:46 AM
Feb 2023

Will 401k, IRA, or Roth withdrawals be subject to the tax?

What about investments normal people have saved for retirement, such as index funds, bonds, etc?

By trying to tax the billionaire investor class, they could also hurt a lot of regular people.

Celerity

(43,077 posts)
10. I think there are safeguards for the non wealthy, see this:
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 12:58 AM
Feb 2023
Under this bill, over 93 percent of households would not see their taxes go up by one
penny.


and

Require millionaires and billionaires pay their fair share into Social Security.
Currently, workers have 12.4 percent taken out of each paycheck and contributed to the
Social Security trust fund, half paid by the employer and half by the worker. This bill
would require the wealthy pay the same 12.4 percent on their investment and business
income, by increasing the net investment income tax by 12.4 percent and applying it to
certain business income not already covered by payroll taxes.

BWdem4life

(1,644 posts)
11. While they're at it, how about lowering retirement age back to 65?
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 01:14 AM
Feb 2023

Seeing as how life expectancy has been going down for several years now...

Celerity

(43,077 posts)
12. A bipartisan group of Senators is talking about raising it to 70, and changing the formula to reduce
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 01:28 AM
Feb 2023

benefits for some.



A bipartisan group of Senators is talking about raising the retirement age on Social Security

https://www.semafor.com/article/02/27/2023/a-bipartisan-group-of-senators-are-talking-about-raising-the-retirement-age-on-social-security



A bipartisan group led by Sens. Angus King, I-Maine, and Bill Cassidy, R-La. is considering gradually raising the retirement age to about 70 as part of their legislation to overhaul Social Security, Semafor has learned from two people briefed on their efforts. Other options on the table include changing the existing formula that calculates monthly benefits from one based on a worker’s average earnings over 35 years to a different formula that’s based instead on the number of years spent working and paying into Social Security.

The plan also includes a proposed sovereign wealth fund (as previously reported by Semafor) that could be seeded with $1.5 trillion or more in borrowed money to jumpstart stock investments, the people said. If it fails to generate an 8% return, both the maximum taxable income and the payroll tax rate would be increased to ensure Social Security stays on track to be solvent another 75 years.

“This is an example of two leaders trying to find a solution to a clear and foreseeable danger,” Cassidy and King spokespeople told Semafor in a statement. “Although the final framework is still taking shape, there are no cuts for Americans currently receiving Social Security benefits in our plan. Indeed, many will receive additional benefits.”

In a brief interview Monday evening on Capitol Hill, Cassidy said he’d been meeting with stakeholders for the past two years on the proposal, but that its details were still in flux. “You could really take a fund and, with certain assumptions, take all your revenue from there,” he told Semafor. Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D., a member of the group, previously said that raising the payroll tax cap was under discussion. Only the first $160,000 of employees' earnings are currently subject to payroll taxes, which help fund Social Security. If Congress fails to step in, retirement benefits will be cut roughly 20% for seniors starting in 2032, per the Congressional Budget Office.

The Mouth

(3,144 posts)
15. The same assholes that want it to be 70
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 01:58 PM
Feb 2023

are the same assholes who won't hire someone over the age of 50.

Wounded Bear

(58,590 posts)
19. K & R...I could use the raise...
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 02:59 PM
Feb 2023

though I'm better off than the "average" retiree.

We need to raise the minimum wage as well. That will boost revenues from the bottom levels of employees.

snot

(10,496 posts)
20. It's hugely important to push & publicize proposals like these,
Tue Feb 28, 2023, 08:24 PM
Feb 2023

because even if they can't be passed this year, they help nudge the Overton Window in the right direction. The Republicans have used this tactic for years, succeeding in dragging us backward in ways I'd never have thought possible 10 years ago.

A map of the world that does not include Utopia is not worth even glancing at, for it leaves out the one country at which Humanity is always landing. And when Humanity lands there, it looks out, and, seeing a better country, sets sail. Progress is the realisation of Utopias.

– Oscar Wilde (1997). “Collected Works of Oscar Wilde: The Plays, the Poems, the Stories and the Essays Including De Profundis”, p.1051, Wordsworth Editions

Also, in my experience, you're unlikely to get any of what you want if you don't ask for all of it.

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