We have an Attorney General who is unable to shut the bully up.

[Justice matters.]

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Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe he would have made a fantastic Supreme Court Justice.

But... the polite intellectual guy "sounds" like he is about to start crying (his voice) any minute.

Maybe it's me, but the "optics" of this is not looking positive. We need a bully to shut up cancun bullies with his VOICE, and it is a problem in this aggressive environment we have to defend against!

[Baked Potato]

1. I don't see I hear that...

I hear “Laugh it up, Fuzzball!”

[drray23]

3. Indeed. Compare with AG Eric Holder

who was not afraid to forcefully push back on bullies when in a hearing. I recall a hearing where he basically told a gop senator to shut up so he could speak. If I find the clip I will post it.

[Beastly Boy]

11. Other than pushiness, what in your opinion would be the criteria

for comparing Garland to Holder?

I m asking because I really don't know how they compare, and I don't think pushing back is the most important attribute of an Attorney General.

[Justice matters.]

12. Glenn Kirschner would have shut up that disgusting bully in a split second.

No deer in the headlights facial expressions too.

[A HERETIC I AM]

35. I've said this before and I'll say it again....

If Biden had made Kirschner Attorney General, Trumpy would be in jail by now.

[Fiendish Thingy]

25. I'll take Garland over Holder any day.

Holder was a failure as an AG.

[claudette]

5. It frightens me

[SoCalDavidS]

6. I Knew When He Was Picked, That There Would Be No Indictments

Nothing I have seen has changed my mind.

I'm sure tomorrow morning we'll be greeted by posts saying that indictments are coming soon. Sure thing.

[Beastly Boy]

9. Have you seen this?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

Over 1000 indictments, and you still don't see them? Let me guess, small fish, low hanging fruit, yadda yadda yadda. And that would include indictment for seditious conspiracy and obstruction of justice, right?

[SoCalDavidS]

10. Everything You Said Is True

Just more proof that some people are Above The Law, and some aren't. Power has it's privileges.

And many of their sentences were pitiful. A lot of them will be out before next Christmas.

[Beastly Boy]

14. A somewhat unexpected reply.

What you said was, and I quote, "I Knew When He Was Picked, That There Would Be No Indictments. Nothing I have seen has changed my mind".

You have seen the indictments. Your initial impression that there would be no indictments under Garland is therefore wrong. Yet, despite what you have seen, being wrong hasn't changed your mind. That speaks more to your mindset than it does to the facts.

And your response to this is so painfully familiar, that I predicted it in my post: "Over 1000 indictments, and you still don't see them? Let me guess, small fish, low hanging fruit, yadda yadda yadda. And that would include indictment for seditious conspiracy and obstruction of justice, right?"

There was no need to belabor this point, especially when you started with acknowledging that everything I said is true.

[SoCalDavidS]

16. Thanks For Pointing Out The Inaccuracy Of My Initial Statement

Not that it matters, but I did fully expect the low level insurrectionists to be hung out to dry.

When I said I expected "no indictments," I was referring to those at the top. Teflon Man and those close to him. None of them have been held accountable, and I don't expect that to change.

The Proud Boys, and the others playing dress up at the Capitol, are the low hanging fruit that will be held out as examples. The true leaders, who orchestrated the shenanigans.....well.....some of them will run for another term, and continue serving in Congress, never to suffer any consequences for their crimes.

It's my opinion, that's why Mr. Garland was the one selected. Had it been someone like Glenn Kirschner, then perhaps it would be a different outcome for guys like Teflon Man.

[Beastly Boy]

22. Seditious conspiracy is a very rare and serious charge. So is obstruction of justice.

You can't deny that Garland issued numerous indictments on those charges. We are now at the stage when the 1000 indictments are being derided as "small fish" and "low hanging fruit" and therefore do not deserve attention, the very serious charges mentioned above are relegated to the "small fish" category and therefore, like th rest of the above mentioned indictments, do not deserve any acknowledgement, and now the goal posts are moving inexurably to the few dozen people who alone represent the group worthy of your attention. Let me assure you, there would have been no breach of the Capitol, and no subsequent invest5igation, if only those few were involved in the coup. And no truckloads of indictments either. And then, it would become an absolute certainty that, even if a TV pundit were in charge of DOJ, there would be a different outcome for guys like Teflon Man. But not in a way you think.

[former9thward]

44. You keep on saying 1000 indictments.

Most of those indictments were for misdemeanors. And most of those have resulted in plea deals and sentences have been probation or a few weeks in jail.

[newdayneeded]

45. Correct, i'm not gonna get excited

for Bubba Wilson and Billy Bob Smith getting sent to prison for 3 months.

He needs the big fish to fry, and his window is closing fast (if it hasn't indeed closed already).

[Beastly Boy]

47. hmmm, I remember the times when a seditious conspirator used to be big fish

Let alone 11 of them.

But maybe I am just old fashioned and you are too young to remember those days of yore. After all, it happened a whole three months ago.

[Beastly Boy]

46. When someone says "no indictments", what I keep on saying proves them wrong 1000 times over.

Indictments are indictments.

But just to put things in perspective:

- 526 rioters convicted or pleaded guilty
- 49 received one or more years' sentences
- 41 received two or more years' sentences
- 13 received five or more years' sentences

https://extremism.gwu.edu/capitol-hill-siege-cases

This takes into account all the plea deals and probations, and it is still a damn record for a single DOJ investigation! And it's not over yet.

So saying most of those indictments were for misdemeanors doesn't belittle Garland's record one bit.

[lostnfound]

19. You ARE being beastly indeed, why attack? No indictments against trump.

Disgust at how certain men in power are never held accountable is a totally understandable emotion to anyone who’s lived a few decades.

[Beastly Boy]

24. It's one thing to be disgusted.

It's a whole different thing to arbitrarily direct your disgust where it doesn't belong, and do it over and over and over again without as much as trying to understand why Garland is a piss poor target for your disgust... It['s enough to turn a saintly boy like me into a beastly boy!

Who ever concocted the ridiculous idea that Garland is at fault for not indicting Trump? Garland doesn't pass laws, he follows them. It's up to Congress to pass laws. And it is up to You the People, not Garland, to elect members of Congress. So if you are disgusted with something, elect representatives who will do something about your disgust. And if you fail at that, it's your fault, not Garland's.

And why do you need a scapegoat to vent your disgust on anyway? To me, that's seems beastly beyond my capacity for beastliness.

[SoCalDavidS]

29. To Be Honest, I Never Expected Those At The Top To Ever Be Indicted

All that the selection of Garland did, was reinforce that belief. It's been 25 months now, and I've yet to see anything to change my belief.

Since I never expected him to be a pit bull, I can't really say I'm disappointed in Mr. Garland. I had hoped, and to a tiny extent, still do hope, to be surprised by some action against those who initiated and encouraged January 6. I don't like waking up every day embarrassed to be an American who follows the laws, while watching as some prosper in so many ways by violating them, while becoming even more powerful and influential and suffering no accountability.

[Beastly Boy]

33. It depends on how you define "those at the top"

To me, Tarrio and Rhodes are as top as the top gets. They are the Heinrich Himmlers of the insurrection. They spearheaded the riot and commanded the storm troopers.

If, on the other hand, you distinguish the coup plotters from the riot plotters, I made the point previously that the coup would have been impossible without the riot. However you looked at it, you can't escape putting the leadership of Proud Boys and Oath keepers at the top, and it is an unprecedented achievement on Garland's part that he got them indicted and/or convicted.

In this respect, you should be encouraged by Garland's leadership: he has already achieve what very few AGs in the entire history of DOJ can brag about, and the investigation is not over yet by any means.

[Jack the Greater]

31. I am totally on board with your assessment

If you chip away at the support, the edifice will eventually collapse.

[fightforfreedom]

34. What a statement, no indictments.

Do you understand a special grand jury just recommended over a dozen people be indicted in Georgia. Willis has all but made it official she is going indict people. You must like being proven wrong.

[SoCalDavidS]

38. This Post Is About Merrick Garland

And in GA, we'll see whether there are indictments of higher ups like Teflon Man.

At this point, I haven't been "proven wrong." I haven't seen a single indictment yet. The fact there was a Special GJ does not mean there have been indictments.

If I'm ever "proven wrong," I will gladly come here and say so.

[tritsofme]

7. I don't put much stock in internet armchair crusaders.

I think Garland is doing a fine job, the whiners notwithstanding.

[Grasswire2]

17. LOL nt

[Beastly Boy]

8. Maybe it's me, but

if you want an AG who is effective in shutting people up, Ted Cruz would be your ideal candidate.

Garland is an effective prosecutor, not a belligerent asshole, and not a drama queen.

[MOMFUDSKI]

13. I see both sides.

But it is very unbecoming of the AG to look weak and weepy in a hearing.

[Beastly Boy]

15. It is unbecoming of a self-respecting AG to parrot the attitudes of a belligerent asshole.

And that's what makes Garland strong and Cruz weak. Cruz represents all talk and no substance, while Garland represents the opposite: no talk and all substance.

Maybe it's just me, but I was never impressed with loudmouths.

[ancianita]

26. +100

[FSogol]

41. +1 Exactly. n/t

[ShazzieB]

42. I absolutely agree.

Garland was dignified and calm, and he stood his ground wuthout wavering under Cruz's bombastic and belligerent bullying. I saw absolutely no weakness there.

I also have never wanted to punch Ted Cruz in the face more than I did while watching that rude, crude, and obnoxious display (but that's beside the point ).

[Grasswire2]

20. Have we seen any polling of the American people on Garland's work product?

That would be useful.

[milestogo]

18. I think Garland is going to end up being tougher than Holder.

And I liked Holder.

[Grasswire2]

21. tempus fugit nt

[Boomerproud]

39. What has he done that gives you that impression?

nt

[RockRaven]

23. Another possible explanation is that he *is* able, but chooses not to...

[Tribetime]

27. Glen kirschner..

[SoCalDavidS]

30. Justice Matters

He really needs to retire that catch phrase, since it's obvious that in America, it's untrue.

[jalan48]

28. He reminds me of professors I had in college who were good at research and getting books

published but were very uncomfortable lecturing to students in the classroom. He gives me the impression he'd rather be in his office and not in front of the camera.

[Catherine Vincent]

32. I saw that exchange

Cruz had my blood boiling as he yelled at Garland. I guess it would have looked silly if Garland yelled back, but still. 😡 Someone posted a pic on Twitter that showed Garland reaching over to shake Cancun Cruz's hand after the hearing. Wth?

[allegorical oracle]

36. Garland strikes me as the product of a prior society--polite, decent, reasoned, thoughtful...

as a result he appears unsuited to battling the unreasonable, indecent, uncivil discourse with which he must deal today. He does have a tremulous voice, but that's a physical imperfection, imo, not a personality defect.

Plus, he's been slammed with an incredible tsunami of issues to deal with because of the insurrection and the mountain of elephant poop dropped by djt, Q-Anon, Fox News, social media, the Federalist Society and their related goal of making million$ grifting off of the right-wing chumps.

[ShazzieB]

43. Agreed, on all counts.

I would also add that strength comes in many different forms. Remaining that calm, focused, and civil under such a barrage of hatefulness definitely takes strength of a type that Cruz has absolutely no knowledge or understanding of, imnsho.

[DFW]

37. We don't have "a attorney General."

Any more than we have "an President."

[Justice matters.]

40. TY-po fixed.

Only 18-months left before the 60-day presidential election blackout rule.


Urgent to-do list:

Indict the traitor-in-chief on any count and add superceding charges later (how many months?)

Put him on trial to get a conviction and let his accomplices plead the 5th all they want (how many weeks?)

When found guilty, wait for Appeals & En-banc Appeals & USSC Appeals (how many months?)




Let's Go Fani!