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Manchin Declines to Endorse Biden for Re-Election
March 5, 2023 at 3:01 pm EST By Taegan Goddard 44 Comments
https://politicalwire.com/2023/03/05/manchin-declines-to-endorse-biden-for-re-election/
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Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) declined to endorse a potential reelection effort by President Biden on Sunday, saying he preferred to wait to see other options, Fox News reports.
Said Manchin: Theres plenty of time for the election. This is the problem with America right now. We start an election every time theres a cycle coming up. The bottom line is, lets see whos involved. Lets wait until we see who all the players are. Lets just wait until it all comes out.
Meanwhile, the Wall Street Journal reports Manchin wouldnt rule out running for the 2024 presidential nomination, potentially pitting him against Biden.
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Vinca
(53,307 posts)onenote
(45,981 posts)PortTack
(35,811 posts)Trenzalore
(2,575 posts)Manchin isn't going to have much of a legacy.
I think he is toast in 2024.
If he runs for President he gets maybe 15% of the democratic vote. Mostly the people that fled the republican party for the democratic party because the republican party went MAGA.
joshdawg
(2,922 posts)candidate, if he is not running.
onenote
(45,981 posts)Because I'll take that bet.
joshdawg
(2,922 posts)JMHO, manchin is a dino.
onenote
(45,981 posts)You didn't answer.
Cha
(316,602 posts)others.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(18,997 posts)I doubt that even the folks who like him, like him all that much.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Thats why we dont have voting rights amongst other things.
onenote
(45,981 posts)Because in WVA, that's what you'd end up with.
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onenote
(45,981 posts)Really. You want Manchin to go over to the repubs? Have you noticed that Feterman is in the hospital and Feinstein isn't doing all that well either. The current Senate is, effectively, 50 v 49, but if Manchin was forced over to the Repubs, it would be 50-49.
CrispyQ
(40,652 posts)Beachnutt
(8,873 posts)and said in 2015 measures were put in place to upgrade braking but were never implemented, he failed to say trump rolled those measures back.
On Face the Nation show this morning.
Butterflylady
(4,584 posts)Is Manchin delusional? Must be in the water in W.Virginia.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)politics
I am sure if he came out and endorsed Biden now he would most likely not stand a chance if he ran another term for Senate
Saying he is considering running for president is a stall tactic so he can say he wont endorse anyone yet. He knows he wouldnt win a presidential atte
It is so obvious what is happening, and of course the reactionary media want to stir things up major seem the Democrats are in disarray, when it is bullshit, because Manchin is a special case because of where he is from, and not representative of anything else.
and of course it is so predictable how many of us react. This is a non-event with Manchin only playing for the people in WV
What we need to focus on is getting a massive turnout in 2024, not 60%, but 75% or greater
Buckeyeblue
(6,183 posts)I don't think he'll run for president. But it seems like he must want something...again.
ripcord
(5,553 posts)I don't see people ripping AOC and others who have refused to commit.
Buckeyeblue
(6,183 posts)He is more than willing to be a speed bump until he gets what he wants.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last election, Manchin and Warren endorsed Biden in April 2020. So watch for endorsement in another 14 months or so -- if Manchin himself isn't running for president or hasn't changed parties.
OnDoutside
(20,860 posts)Raine
(31,090 posts)as far as I know.
elocs
(24,486 posts)Yeah, he's a conservative Democrat, but just where would he fit in the Republican Party. He has voted for all of Biden's judicial nominees--would any Republican do that? Democrats--too often more than willing to bite off their noses to spite their faces.
Autumn
(48,723 posts)onenote
(45,981 posts)Yes, Manchin voted for a number of Trump's nominees. But he also voted against a number of them. He voted against Barrett for the Supreme Court. He voted against nearly half of Trump's appellate court nominees. In several instances where he voted for a Trump nominee, so did a number of Democrats -- around a third of Trump's appeals court nominees received 60 or more votes.
I'm no fan of Manchin, but without him in that seat, a Republican would have held it and would have voted every single time for the Trump nominee.
onenote
(45,981 posts)Has AOC altered the position she took last June?
https://abc17news.com/politics/national-politics/cnn-us-politics/2022/06/12/ocasio-cortez-wont-commit-to-backing-biden-in-2024-well-cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-to-it/
lapucelle
(20,937 posts)Autumn
(48,723 posts)He hasn't committed to running again.
Celerity
(53,599 posts)The dark money group has spent millions of dollars preparing for a possible ticket with Sen. Joe Manchin as its presidential nominee in the event of a Biden-Trump rematch.
https://readsludge.com/2023/01/20/no-labels-makes-initial-investment-in-bipartisan-presidential-ticket/

The dark money group No Labels has put millions behind its plans to run a bipartisan unity presidential ticket if the 2024 nominees are Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Tax documents obtained by Sludge show that No Labels transferred $2.4 million in 2021 to an unknown organization that appears to be tied to the effort, which they describe as an insurance policy against divisiveness. The organization, named Insurance Policy for America, is based at the same office address as No Labels in Washington, D.C. No Labels did not respond to questions about who runs Insurance Policy for America, or other questions about its plans for a presidential ticket. No Labels listed a tax ID number for the group that belongs to one of its previous grant recipients, but that groups tax return does not show it received the grant, and it denies having anything to do with No Labels 2024 unity ticket plans. Megan Shannon, vice president of No Labels, told Sludge over email that No Labels made a clerical error, but would not answer further questions about Insurance Policy for America.
No Labels began teasing the bipartisan presidential ticket in the media last summer. The amount of money that No Labels claims to have raised for the effort grew from $50 million as of a June 9 report in the Puck newsletter to $70 million as of a Sept. 1 New York Times op-ed. No Labels told conservative columnist David Brooks that throughout 2022 it worked with lawyers and petition firms on securing a No Labels ballot line in all 50 states and Washington D.C., as well as building a database of potential supporters. No Labels unity ticket would pair a Democrat and a Republican, possibly headlined by the groups close ally and former co-chair Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.V.), according to a Fox News segment and other reports. Facebook ads sponsored by No Labels emphasize that the ticket would be a insurance policy for America in case of a Biden-Trump rematch.

No Labels New York state chair Joe Lieberman, in remarks at Yeshiva University, described the plan as an insurance policy against 2024 nominees who are not centrist. Lieberman said No Labels is putting the pieces in place ahead of time, but that their plans could change based on political developments. Were not going to be able to make a rational decision until 2024, when we see which candidates both parties will nominate, as to whether there is a constructive role to be played by a third ticket a bipartisan ticket, Lieberman said. While No Labels does not publicly disclose its funders, one of its well-known backers has been billionaire Republican megadonor Nelson Peltz, who boasted to CNBC that he talked weekly with Manchin, calling him the most important guy in D.C. Maybe the most important guy in America today.
Documents obtained by The Daily Beast in a 2018 investigation showed that No Labels raised money from billionaire hedge fund managers and wealthy financiers, with reoccurring donors including billionaire private equity investor Marc Rowan, Trump supporter John Catsimatidis, and private equity co-founder Carl Ferenbach. The group has also received funding from trade associations such as the Biotechnology Innovation Organization, American Hospital Association, and the American Property Casualty Insurance Corporation. Last summer, Puck journalist Tara Palmeri wrote that No Labels C.E.O. Nancy Jacobson, a former Democratic National Committee finance chair, would not comment on the groups funding sources, saying, Whats best for democracy is confidentiality, and then forwarded the article to her political network.

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The Lieberman-led dark money No Labels is the parent organisation of the Gottheimer co-led Problem Solvers caucus who have been attacking Pelosi for years and trying to scupper Biden's agenda.
Some of the No Labels-affiliated super PACsNo Labels Action, Forward Not Back, United Together, Govern or Go Home, Citizens for a Strong America, and United for Progress


https://problemsolverscaucus.house.gov/about-co-chairs

Josh Gottheimer Is on a Mission to Destroy Joe Bidens Presidency
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/07/gottheimer-is-on-a-mission-to-destroy-bidens-presidency.html
https://archive.ph/QCltv

Joe Manchin has absorbed most of the heat from liberals angry that the Senate has often blocked President Bidens proposals. But Manchin represents an overwhelmingly Republican state, and he has been willing to negotiate a meaningful (albeit smaller) Senate reconciliation package that would move forward key progressive goals.
The true archvillain of the Biden presidency is Josh Gottheimer, a New Jersey Democrat who keeps sticking the knife in Bidens back. Axioss Hans Nichols reports Gottheimer is organizing a small faction of House Democrats to present a counteroffer that would blow up the incipient deal with Manchin. The Gottheimer crew wants to take out the tax hikes on the wealthy that Manchin is proposing. That would mean whats left of the bill could still contain the spending proposals, but it would lack the revenue measures that would make it a deficit-reducer, which is Manchins main rationale for supporting the bill in the first place. If that revenue is gone, Manchins support probably collapses, and the bill dies. Which is probably fine with Gottheimer, who may be evil, but isnt stupid.
Gottheimers fixation seems to be insulating from taxation a slice of people so wealthy they account for a tiny percentage of even the most affluent districts. Gottheimer has cast himself as a hard-headed centrist who understands what the voters want. In an interview with Jason Zengerle for the New York Times Magazine, Gottheimer cast himself as a throwback to Clintonism:

Sounds great in theory. Except Bill Clinton raised taxes on the rich. Clinton understood that the political sweet spot was to promise middle-class tax cuts while also taxing the top one percent. Gottheimers formula is to avoid giving any benefits to the middle class and focusing on protecting the one percent.
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Centrist Group Behind Pelosi Holdouts Plotted to Make Her Bogeyman
No Labels contemplated turning the incoming House Speaker into a political punching bag during a primary fight.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/centrist-group-behind-pelosi-holdouts-plotted-to-make-her-bogeyman
Emails obtained by The Daily Beast show that No Labels leadership contemplated a campaign to attack Pelosi aggressively after the primary campaign of centrist Rep. Dan Lipinski, who faced a primary challenge this year from Marie Newman, a progressive political neophyte. Lipinskis pro-life stance had alienated a number of Democrats, but he was a proud member of the No Labels-backed House Problem-Solvers Caucus, and the group worked through a network of allied super PACs to support his reelection bid.
Nancy, I have been thinking about our using Pelosi as the chief bogeyman in our messaging post-Lipinski, began one email, subject line: Pelosi as bogeyman.
No Labels and the Problem Solvers are Wolves of Wall Street in Sheeps Clothing
Political organizations hide their pro-finance politics under the cloak of bipartisanship while they rake in funding from corporate interests.
https://inequality.org/research/no-labels-problem-solvers-wall-street/
For years, the group No Labels and its close partner, the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, have quietly promoted policies that are wrapped in the mantle of bipartisanship and pitched as non-ideological, while being in the pay of corporate interests. They produce reports, sponsor events, and weigh in on policy on behalf of unnamed corporate donors.
Even when Wall Street isnt directly funding specific activities, its pervasive funding helps get its talking points into conversations with members of Congress. At an orientation program run by Harvard University, former executives or lobbyists with Goldman Sachs, Bank of New York Mellon, and the private equity trade association were on the agenda as experts on Congress. The label fits in the way the Big Bad Wolf is an expert in porcine house construction. Recently published internal documents blew the lid off how much of the money behind No Labels comes from Wall Street. Its donors include executives from major asset managers (Trian Fund Management), hedge funds (Oaktree Capital Management) and private equity (Apollo Global Management), among others. Donors pledged $4.8 million to the No Labels non-profit arm in 2017, and also sent industry money to PACs affiliated with the group.
Former Democratic senators Joe Lieberman and Evan Bayh, who both worked as industry lobbyists after leaving Congress, are affiliated with No Labels and the Problem Solvers Caucus. Rep. Mark Pocan, now a co-chair of the Progressive Caucus, has written with remarkable candor about being duped by both organizations when he first joined the House in 2012. Beneath the veneer of bipartisanship, Pocan soon discovered the true aim of both groups to import a pro-corporate agenda into Democratic politics.
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How No Labels Went From Preaching Unity to Practicing the Dark Arts
https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-no-labels-went-from-preaching-unity-to-practicing-the-dark-arts
The group, which was founded as a champion of political bipartisanship, has been quietly courting donations from some of the most notoriously partisan money men and women in politics.
According to internal documents obtained by The Daily Beast, No Labels encouraged financiers known for backing hyperpartisan causes to back its own super PACs. Among those courted were individuals whove bankrolled massive parts of the Republican Partys infrastructure, including David Koch, former AIG head Hank Greenberg, and billionaire hedge-fund manager Paul Singer; as well as top supporters of President Donald Trump, including PayPal founder Peter Thiel, businessman Foster Friess, and Home Depot founder Ken Langone. No Labels also courted liberal-minded moneymen, including Michael Vachon, a top political adviser to George Soros (one of the biggest funders of Democratic and progressive causes) and Reid Hoffman, an investor and entrepreneur who has called Trump worse than useless.
The group also targeted Wendi Murdoch (ex-wife of Rupert and rumored Ivanka Trump pal), uber-agent Ari Emanuel, and Dallas Mavericks owner and oft-rumored presidential aspirant Mark Cuban. Another possible 2020 candidate, former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, was also among dozens of high net-worth individuals approached about donating to No Labels super PACs.
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By the end of the 2018 cycle, six No Labels-affiliated super PACsNo Labels Action, Forward Not Back, United Together, Govern or Go Home, Citizens for a Strong America, and United for Progresshad collectively raised more than $11 million from 53 individual donors. The average contribution to the groups was about $124,000, illustrating their reliance on high-dollar donors rather than grassroots financial support.
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Bipartisan No Labels groups super PAC network revealed: mega Chicago donors
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2018/3/12/18316470/bipartisan-no-labels-group-s-super-pac-network-revealed-mega-chicago-donors
One of the super PACs, United for Progress Inc., has spent $740,334 as of Sunday to bolster Rep. Dan Lipinski, D-Ill., in his March 20 Illinois Democratic primary battle with Marie Newman in the 3rd Congressional District. The names of the super PACS dont link them to No Labels. A Sun-Times investigation determined super PACS related to No Labels include: United for Progress Inc.; Citizens for a Strong America Inc.; United Together; Govern or Go Home; and Forward, Not Back.
The Sun-Times inquiry included interviews with donors or their representatives and an examination of documents filed with the Federal Election Commission. United for Progress, Inc., is playing political hardball, attacking Newman in the commercials and direct mail pieces it paid for. Lipinski is part of a No Labels offshoot, the congressional Problem Solvers Caucus.
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THE ILLINOIS CONNECTIONS: Last year, a No Labels leader, former Sen. Joe Lieberman, was a draw at a meeting at the Chicago Club, 81 E. Van Buren. Lieberman was the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee who became an Independent senator from Connecticut.
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No Labels funds dishonest attacks against Marie Newman to boost Blue Dog Dan Lipinski
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/13/1748758/-Centrist-group-No-Labels-funds-dishonest-attacks-against-Marie-Newman-to-back-Blue-Dog-Dan-Lipinski
While support from No Labels itself should be a mark of shame for any Democrat running in a safely blue district like this one, the mailer they've been funding is even more disgraceful. It takes the guise of an ominous fake-but-official-looking letter from "Illinois Restaurant Enforcement" that claims the restaurant Newman once owned was guilty of health code violations, then proceeds to outright lie about the economic impact of the single-payer healthcare plan Newman supports.

One would expect to see Republicans launch these sorts of dishonest attacks against a progressive challenger, not those who support a nominal Democratic incumbent. And it's one more reason why Democrats in this 55-40 Clinton district can do a whole lot better than Dan Lipinski.
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Delusional Group Declares Donald Trump a Problem Solver
The only problem Trump could solve is that we dont have a dumb enough president
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/delusional-group-declares-donald-trump-a-problem-solver-58107/
Racist
Egomaniac
Bloviator
Delusional
Liar
Asshole
On Monday, the nonpartisan group No Labels gave him a new, and hilarious, one: problem solver.
Six presidential candidates Democrat Martin OMalley and Republicans Ben Carson, Chris Christie, John Kasich, Rand Paul and Trump signed the organizations Problem Solver Promise, officially making them No Labels Problem Solvers. The group says it will bestow the label on any candidate who signs its meaningless pledge.
No Labels declined to make an exception for Trump the candidate who has proposed, among many other things, building a giant border wall, deporting 11 million people, banning Muslims from entering the country and shutting down mosques. In just the last two days, hes come out in favor of direct head-to-head collisions in the NFL and elephant torture.
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Group Tied To Lipinski Says Marie Newman Is 'A Holocaust Denier'
IL-3 Democratic challenger Marie Newman claims group tied to Congressman Dan Lipinski is texting voters saying she's a 'Holocaust denier.'
https://patch.com/illinois/oaklawn/group-tied-lipinski-claims-she-s-holocaust-denier
A woman who identifies herself as "Leslie Benjamini" from the Washington, D.C.-based No Labels group -- a political centrist organization comprised of Republicans, Democrats and Independents who aim to combat partisan dysfunction in politics by focusing on bipartisan problem solving -- texted a voter asking him if he planned to vote for Dan Lipinski in the March 20 Democratic primary. When the the receiver stated he is voting for Newman, Benjamini states that Lipinski's opponent is a Holocaust denier. Benjamini tells the receiver to look up "No Labels, a new group that is trying to get government working again." The message goes on to state that Lipinski is a "believer in this group."
"His opponent is a Holocaust denier among other things," the text goes on to say. "Please educate yourself before you vote. All I ask."
Lipinski does have an opponent who is a Holocaust denier who is running as the lone candidate in the Republican primary in Illinois' 3rd District, avowed neo-Nazi Art Jones of Lyons. In the second message sent to the Newman supporter, Benjamini mistakes the receiver's phone number for his mother's.
"For the second time I am NOT [NAME] she is my mother and she hosted a fundraiser for Marie Newman. And for the record, I voted for her early Saturday [March 10]." "Thanks for voting," Benjamini texts back. "Did you know she's a Holocaust denier."
The No Labels group based in Washington, D.C., was founded in 2010. The group strives to "create a vibrant New Center that supports leaders who put country before party." No Labels inspired the Problem Solvers Caucus, a bipartisan group of congressional members that includes Lipinski. A Chicago Sun-Times investigation has also tied No Labels to such Super PACS as United for Progress Inc. As of late, United for Progress Inc. has been sent out a flurry of political hit pieces attacking Newman's progressive agenda, as well as TV and radio commercials. An angry Newman demanded an apology from Lipinski, accusing the congressman of running "dishonest machine campaign."
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No Labels Needs A Warning Label
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-no-labels-mark-pocan_n_5c06b110e4b0cd916fb0b042
When I was elected to Congress in 2012, I attended the Bipartisan Program for Newly Elected Members of Congress at Harvard University. I was so excited to be a member of a branch of government for the most awesome country on the planet. At the program, one of the presentations was from a group named No Labels. The organization put forward a proposal for governing that meant working across the aisle to solve problems and stopping the gridlock in Washington. I was excited! While I was a strong progressive in the Wisconsin Legislature, that was my governing approach. By working with people who do not always agree with you, you find out what you have in common and you can get good things done.
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However, things quickly went south. I attended a few meetings at the outset, but the rhetoric wasnt about finding ways to get things done and breaking gridlock ― rather it was more about finding more centrist, more corporate and more special interest-focused things to do. Soon thereafter, No Labels became involved in elections with a closely contested U.S. Senate race in Colorado, backing Republican Cory Gardner over Democrat Mark Udall. That didnt seem right. A group that wasnt supposed to pick labels was doing exactly that: picking a label. When asked to join the Problem Solvers Caucus, members were never told that this would be part of the program.
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I drifted away from the organization, as apparently did most people who thought it was focused on trying to break through the gridlock in Washington. No Labels membership has dwindled steadily since 2015. Fast-forward to the past few weeks, when No Labels Problem Solvers Caucus tried to threaten Nancy Pelosis speakership. While No Labels was originally advertised as a group committed to getting things done and breaking gridlock, it now seems more focused on stopping Pelosi and providing a fast track for special interests and lobbyists.
Worse, this past week Ive read a few articles regarding what No Labels has been up to in the last couple of years. First, the organization spent almost twice as much helping re-elect Republicans as it spent helping Democrats. Second, reporters reviewed email correspondence that showed No Labels contemplating a plan to attack Pelosi and use her leadership as a wedge to divide congressional Democrats. And third, its clear that No Labels never had any meaningful ultimatums or demands on rules for leadership during eight years of a Republican-led House, or over the last four years of a Republican-led Senate. No Labels only has challenges for Democratic leadership in the House, specifically, for our next speaker, Nancy Pelosi.
That sure seems like a label to me. Look, I get it. No Labels is slick, and I got duped. But no other current or newly elected member of Congress should fall for its shtick. No Labels is a centrist, corporate organization working against Democrats with dark, anonymous money to advance power for special interests. Period.
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lapucelle
(20,937 posts)Josh Gottheimer has a record of voting 100% with Biden.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/josh-gottheimer/
Celerity
(53,599 posts)included) who are the House Caucus for its parent org, No Labels, and who are and were led by Gottheimer, repeatedly (along with a few Blue Dogs) tried to block and/or gut Biden's BBB (along with gutting the BIF), and they succeeded in getting Pelosi and Biden to de-link the BIF and the BBB, thus removing the leverage Pelosi and Schumer had to get both passed (which ended up playing a key role in the BBB dying).
Looking at final votes only often does not tell the tale of damage done (perfect example is Manchin shutting down BBB, which never came to a vote, or massive cuttings out of vital bill provisions, or Biden nominees blocked before they get to a final vote, such as Manchin (again) with Neera Tanden).
The letter from nine Democrats, enough to block passage, threatens their partys two-track plan to pass both a $3.5 trillion social policy budget blueprint and an infrastructure bill.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/13/us/politics/house-democrats-budget-infrastructure.html
Nine moderate House Democrats told Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Friday that they will not vote for a budget resolution meant to pave the way for the passage of a $3.5 trillion social policy package later this year until a Senate-approved infrastructure bill passes the House and is signed into law. The pledge, in a letter released early Friday, is a major rift that threatens the carefully choreographed, two-track effort by congressional Democrats and the Biden administration to enact both a trillion-dollar, bipartisan infrastructure deal and an even more ambitious but partisan social policy measure. The nine House members are more than enough to block consideration of the budget blueprint in a House where Democrats hold a three-seat majority.
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Ms. Pelosi has called the House back early from its summer recess to consider the budget resolution the week of Aug. 23. To assuage the progressives, Ms. Pelosi promised that she would not bring the infrastructure bill to a vote in the House until the Senate passed the social policy bill. The liberal progressives fear that once the infrastructure bill is signed, moderate Democrats in the House and Senate will withdraw their support for the far-reaching social policy measure. (my add: that is exactly what happened)
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The draft letter was signed by Mr. Gottheimer and Representatives Filemon Vela of Texas, Henry Cuellar of Texas, Ed Case of Hawaii, Kurt Schrader of Oregon, Carolyn Bourdeaux of Georgia, Jared Golden of Maine, Vicente Gonzalez of Texas and Jim Costa of California.
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This is President Bidens agenda, this is the Democrats agenda, this is what we ran on and we need to deliver, Representative Ilhan Omar of Minnesota, a leader in the Progressive Caucus, said of the social policy bill. It is important for us not to miss the mark, and I dont see a conflict. But her moderate colleagues do. We will not consider voting for a budget resolution until the bipartisan Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act passes the House and is signed into law, they wrote.
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The BBB (after being gutted from $3.5 trillion down to $2.2 trillion, then down to $1.75 trillion) ended up dying in late 2021 due to Manchin. The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 was later passed, but it was a pale shadow of the BBB.
All in all, out of Biden's original $6.1 trillion in new spend for the two infrastructure bills' frameworks ($2.6 trillion for the hard infrastructure, and $3.5 trillion for the BBB aka human infrastructure) only a total of $987 billion in new spend got passed ($550 billion in the BIF, and $437 billion of new spend in the IRA). 84 per cent of Biden's original framework new spend was flushed, with much of that cutting coming as the result of the Problem Solvers (led by Gottheimer) in the House, and Manchin/Sinema (who coordinated with the Problem Solvers) in the Senate.
Out of Biden's original $2.6 trillion framework in new spend, they ripped out around 80%, leaving only $550 billion in new spend, spread out over 10 years. The other $650 billion was simply renewals of pre-existing programmes (mostly transportation related) that have been on the books for years, under Trump, Obama, etc.
That $550 billion in new spend is, when measured per year (so $55billion X 10 years), less than 1% of all federal monies spent per year lately.
The Infrastructure Plan: Whats In and Whats Out
Biden's original plan:

What was left after they took a 2+ trillion USD hatchet to it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Build_Back_Better_Act
The Build Back Better Act was a bill introduced in the 117th Congress to fulfill aspects of President Joe Biden's Build Back Better Plan. It was spun off from the American Jobs Plan, alongside the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, as a $3.5 trillion Democratic reconciliation package that included provisions related to climate change and social policy. Following negotiations, the price was lowered to approximately $2.2 trillion. The bill was passed 220213 by the House of Representatives on November 19, 2021. During negotiations, Senator Joe Manchin publicly pulled his support from the bill for not matching his envisioned cost of about $1.75 trillion due to provisions that lasted for less than ten years. After renegotiating the reduction of the Build Back Better Act's size, scope, and cost with Biden and Democratic congressional leaders, Manchin ultimately rejected the bill over the procedural tactics used.
The original version of the bill was estimated to cost $3.5 trillion. It may have increased the state and local tax deduction (SALT) deduction limit (which was set at $10,000 in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017). It was also expected to include the Protecting the Right to Organize Act labor bill, set a clean electricity standard called the Clean Energy Performance Program,and reform immigration to the extent allowed by reconciliation rules.
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Heres whats in the Senate version of the Democrats $3.5 trillion spending plan
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/08/09/politics/senate-reconciliation-package/index.html
https://www.investopedia.com/inflation-reduction-act-of-2022-6362263
The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022, H.R. 5376, is designed to reduce the deficit and lower inflation while investing in domestic energy production and lowering healthcare drug costs. The bill became law with President Bidens signature on Aug. 16, 2022. In essence, the law is a scaled-down version of the Build Back Better Act proposed by the Biden administration in 2021.
The law is expected to raise $737 billion, require total investments of $437 billion, and result in a deficit reduction of more than $300 billion. It allows Medicare to negotiate lower prescription drug prices and extends the expanded Affordable Care Act (ACA) program for three years, through 2025.
more
https://www.axios.com/2022/07/13/manchin-schumer-reconciliation-house-centrists
Why it matters: Any attempt to modify a deal that Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer may reach with Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) could scuttle the entire package. That could deprive President Biden and vulnerable lawmakers of a pre-election win at a time of real weakness.
Gottheimer's discussions target a small group that includes Reps. Carolyn Bourdeaux (D-Ga.), Ed Case (D-Hawaii), Tom Suozzi (D-N.Y.), Susie Lee (D-Nev.) Dean Phillips (D-Minn.) and Mikie Sherrill (D-N.J.).
The big picture: Manchin has been adamant he wants higher taxes on corporations to bring down the deficit and help fight inflation. For months, his shorthand has been a 2:1 ratio of fresh revenues to new spending, with some $500 billion going to deficit reduction.
But early House discussions led by Gottheimer don't envision any new taxes on corporations or wealthy individuals. The Trump tax cuts on corporations and individuals would remain in place. Gottheimer's formula would leave $177 billion for deficit reduction a step toward Manchin but a long way from his roughly $500 billion target.
https://www.axios.com/2021/08/19/manchin-sinema-advising-house-centrists
Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) are privately advising the nine House centrist lawmakers (Josh Gottheimer of NJ, Filemon Vela of TX, Henry Cuellar of TX, Ed Case of HI, Kurt Schrader of OR, Carolyn Bourdeaux of GA, Jared Golden of ME, Vicente Gonzalez of TX, and Jim Costa of CA) trying to force Speaker Nancy Pelosi to hold a quick vote on the Senate-passed bipartisan infrastructure deal, lawmakers and aides tell Axios.
Why it matters: The two moderates who've stirred the biggest frustrations and held the most sway in their party over the infrastructure negotiations are helping allies in the House to stake out and defend their centrist position. They're offering encouragement and advice on how to negotiate with the White House and congressional leadership. Their behind-the-scenes support also indicates the degree to which Manchin and Sinema have prioritized getting the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure deal to final passage and in front of Biden for his signature.
The big picture: The conversations are bolstering House centrists' resolve. Since publicly demanding last Friday that Pelosi first bring the infrastructure bill to the floor before considering a larger package through a $3.5 trillion budget plan, the nine lawmakers have been subject to a combination of private scorn and public pressure.
Pelosi referred to their tactics as ??amateur hour in a leadership call earlier this week, Politico reports. On Tuesday, the White House released a statement endorsing Pelosis approach, expressing hope that every Democratic member supports this effort to advance these important legislative actions. Pelosi quoted from that statement in a Dear Colleague letter she sent to reiterate her position. The nonpartisan group "No Labels" is launching a six-figure ad by on national cable to give some air cover to the nine lawmakers. "This unbreakable nine is showing America that we can still do amazing things," says the ad's narrator.
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And again, to show the poison that No Labels is (which was the main point of my long reply to the other poster above, not Gottheimer):
https://www.realclearpolicy.com/articles/2022/05/13/five_facts_on_the_january_6_committee_832087.html

The Big Insight: Despite an early attempt at bipartisanship, the January 6 Committees work has become a partisan exercise about which the public is skeptical.
Link to tweet

lapucelle
(20,937 posts)and there was a link to a story claiming that the Congressman (who has a perfect record of voting with President Biden) was "on a mission to destroy Biden's presidency".

Celerity
(53,599 posts)No Labels/Problem Solvers shenanigans?
I already addressed the Gottheimer part (including the misleading nature of your attempt to make all dependent on looking at final votes only) in a lot of depth.
He is the Dem leader of No Label's House bi-partisan caucus, the Problem Solvers, and repeatedly tried to block/obstruct Biden and Pelosi (including coordination with Sinema and Manchin, which I documented), so it is not like some random person I tossed in.
Better questions:
Why doesn't he come out and condemn his caucus's parent org No Labels for preparing (for a long time now) to gear up for a 3rd Party spoiler?
Why doesn't he come out and condemn No Labels for calling The January 6 Committee a partisan and divisive exercise?
BTW
You seem fascinated with that New York Magazine pic. Would you like a framed copy for your flat (or house, as it may be).
I am sure they can arrange it.
It is pretty cool, I admit. I love pixilation effects aesthetically.
Autumn
(48,723 posts)lapucelle
(20,937 posts)rendering of Rep. Gottheimer "cool".
People are equally free to insist that a highly problematic image is merely a cool "pixilation effect", despite the fact that there are no pixels in the image.
As for offers made by strangers on the internet on behalf of New York Magazine, well ... there you have it.
Autumn
(48,723 posts)lapucelle
(20,937 posts)and single him out as "the true archvillain of the Biden presidency", despite the fact that he has a record of voting 100% with Biden.
I wonder why Representative Gottheimer's depiction is a sinister, grainy, darkened, oversized image.
Celerity
(53,599 posts)lapucelle
(20,937 posts)
I think if the President has a vision, then thats something certainly were all willing to entertain and examine when the time comes, Ocasio-Cortez, a Democrat who wields a significant amount of influence over the partys progressive wing, told CNNs Dana Bash on State of the Union when asked if she plans to support Biden in his 2024 reelection bid.
Thats not a yes, Bash said, to which the congresswoman replied: We should endorse when we get to it, but I believe that the Presidents been doing a very good job so far, and, you know, should he run again, I think that I, you know, I think well take a look at it.
But right now, we need to focus on winning a majority instead of a presidential election, she added, referring to this years November midterm elections
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/12/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-biden-reelection-2024-cnntv/index.html
Autumn
(48,723 posts)lapucelle
(20,937 posts)
Autumn
(48,723 posts)cross that bridge when we get to it. She is so fucking right.
Celerity
(53,599 posts)many on back then DU protesting about any talk about the 2024 POTUS election at that point.
Plus there is this from month ago:
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-bust-democratic-insiders-biden-215416994.html
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There was no sign of younger Democratic aspirants making behind-the-scenes moves to challenge Biden, nor much evidence of the kind of ideological strife that has cleaved the party so often in recent years.
Prominent supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Vermont independent, were among those cheering loudest onstage next to Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris Friday, waving newly printed signs displaying an updated design introduced last year that read GO JOE on one side and KAMALA on the other.
We feel very very confident in what President Biden is doing and were going to support his re-election fully, said Judith Whitmer, a member of Democratic Socialists of America and former Sanders delegate who won an upset election a few years ago to become chair of the Nevada Democratic Party.
DFW
(59,713 posts)First: it makes no difference to him if Joe Biden is our nominee or not. He knows our nominee will NOT be Joe Manchin, and that he will get a LOT more requests for interviews and speaking engagements the longer he holds out on endorsing Biden. If he runs for re-election for Senate from West Virginia, his chances improve the longer he holds out with his endorsement of Biden. If he runs for re-election and his chances look less than solid, he might not endorse at all. Either he runs for Senate or he retires. He watched Sinema drown in a flood of derision when she switched to Independent. He won't be following in her footsteps.
Emile
(40,470 posts)is what I heard.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)But I will have a problem with something like that in s year from now
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)Although it is highly likely Biden runs for reelection, he is not an official candidate yet. Im not a Manchin fan, but I recognize his position. Only a foolish politician with no skill would endorse someone who is an unofficial candidate.
Ask him again after all the primaries are done.
treestar
(82,383 posts)anyone would consider him for POTUS?
Freethinker65
(11,202 posts)I give Manchin a pass on this.