Get a grip, Willis is not going to be fired and the investigation will not end.

[fightforfreedom]

It is easy to throw some people into a panic. I watched Maddow last night. What she reported does not mean the end of Willis or the investigation. It does not mean the rule of law is dead and it does not mean we are becoming a fascist nation.

[secondwind]

1. K&R!!!!!!!

[betsuni]

2. K&R

[Celerity]

3. bookmarking nt

[Mike Niendorff]

4. Says who?

The fascists' track record so far is 100% bad faith.

They've shown you who they are.

Stop making excuses for them.

Believe them.

And act accordingly.


MDN

[edisdead]

28. Which actions are you calling for?

[Mike Niendorff]

34. Clear vision, for starters.

When dealing with a transparently corrupt act, the best response is not to pretend it couldn't be what it clearly is.


MDN

[Laura PourMeADrink]

74. Exactly... "pretend"

[happy feet]

61. I agree

We give them good faith and then when they do what they said they would do - hand wringing🙄

[inthewind21]

102. Over

and over and over again. Lather, rinse, repeat.

[live love laugh]

114. ✔️

[ananda]

77. This.

...

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

117. It's a ridiculous argument

Because Fani Willis isn't violating any of the "rules" the bill has for removal. As the law is currently written, she's pursuing Georgia law. She's not refusing to prosecute certain crimes. Being a Democrat is not enough to qualify for the "willful misconduct" standard, either. They can try to find some kind of corruption she's up to, or moral turpitude or what have you, but I have the feeling that they'd waste their time trying to pursue any of that.

She's not going anywhere.

Most of this animus and motivation for crafting this bill is to oust not Willis, where the traitor party is on very shaky ground, but another DA in the state who's made a decision not to prosecute small-time marijuana crimes, like personal possession. I think she's in Athens, where the big state uni is, the one Herschel Walker pretended to attend (a joke--maybe he did show up for a few academic classes). That prosecutor will be in serious danger if this goes through, and I have a feeling Athens won't care for that, either.

Willis would be a hard sell, even for a traitor party-packed prosecutor commission to oust.

So stop panicking.

[Mike Niendorff]

119. You are presuming your conclusion.

If good faith adherence to the law could be presumed, none of this discussion would be necessary.

Bad faith is precisely the point.


MDN

[EYESORE 9001]

5. It's still concerning (I know, I know, 'thank you for your concern,' etc.)

The fact that those with fascist tendencies are messing with prosecutorial powers is alarming. Fascists are doubling down, so we must double down on democracy.

[NanceGreggs]

16. "Fascists are doubling down ...

... so we must double down on democracy."

What a GREAT line!!!

[EYESORE 9001]

46. Thank you ☺️

[Scrivener7]

62. It IS a great phrase, but what does it mean in practical terms?

If I knew what to do in the face of this, I would do it. But other than being aware, showing concern in my conversations, voting against it and getting out the vote, I don't know what to do.

And that really doesn't seem like enough to me now. This executive encroachment into the judiciary really is, to use your term, alarming.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

80. Great question. To me it feels like there's just too much

Noise out there and they are taking advantage of this to operate nefariously under the radar.

So easy to do now. Outrage maybe for one day with a small percentage of people then you're free and clear.

Add in that it takes so freaking long to mete out justice, it gives them time to plan how to turn it around somehow.

[Scrivener7]

83. THAT is the worst of it, I think. No matter what bad act they commit,

it never gains and keeps traction in the national attention span. And if you can quiet the attention given to an event for long enough after its occurrence, it just fades away.

AND they use that all the time to their advantage.

[wnylib]

108. We might try what Israelis are doing

about similar tampering with the legal system by Netanyahu. Take to the streets. Carry out some work stoppages.

Make the apathetic people aware of what is happening and what it means by demonstrating in the streets. Win people over to activism so that they can join us.

[Ferrets are Cool]

6. LOL

[panader0]

7. You mean the sky is not falling again? And we're not really fucked?

And it's not the end of democracy again?
If I had a buck for every time I've read that here on DU....
No law has been signed yet, and if the Governor signs it, it will be weeks before reconciled,
and even then, it may not effect Willis' investigation. She may have issued indictments by then, in fact,
the threat of this evil plan may spur her to indict sooner.
ETA: This is not to say that we don't need to be ever vigilant of the repubs. They have become even nuttier than ever.
But perhaps we should take a lesson from Ukraine and fight harder instead of giving up.

[gab13by13]

11. Are you kidding me?

The governor stated he would sign the bill, maybe we should all hope and pray that he changes his mind and wait and see?

Georgia is about to lose its independent judiciary, its justice system will be beholden, under the thumb of Magats.

Allowing a target of a criminal investigation to pick the people who can fire the prosecutor who is investigating him is authoritarianism.

[inthewind21]

103. Would have been nice

If the panic was this strong when the alarm bells were non stop sounding for the past several decades about the consequences of losing the Supreme Court and allowing the federal courts to be packed. Prevention is always easier than cure. But alas, here we are. And FYI, Georgia voted for their own state government.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

118. Maybe you need to read what the bill actually says

Before panicking.

Because even a traitor party-packed commission to remove prosecutors would have a hard time finding just cause to remove her. She's meeting every standard they have for holding onto her position.

[Scrivener7]

52. Ridiculing concern about the rise of fascism does not equal "fighting harder."

[panader0]

63. The Ukrainians face an actual invasion by fascists. Their President famously said "I don't need a

ride, I need ammunition." They fight heroically in the face of tremendous odds for their country.
Yet so many here are ready to leave the US because some asshole repubs are threatening trouble.
I believe that all Americans should stay and fight the problems we have at home and not pack our bags
as we search for other nations to escape to.
I was born here, I own my land after many years of hard work, my children are here and I'll never leave.
I have been hearing about the imminent fall of our nation since I joined DU in 2005. When trouble comes,
if it does, we must fight it head on and not run away.
Of course I am concerned about the antics of the repubs. They have become worse than usual. But we as a
nation have been through much more difficult times. We'll get through this too.

[Scrivener7]

64. I don't disagree with any of that. I just don't see the point in ridiculing those who

are voicing their concern about this enormous and alarming step in destroying the separation of powers.

[panader0]

69. I consider it to be ridiculous to be so defeatist.

As manifested by so many that want to leave our nation because of DeSantis or tfg or Kemp.

[Scrivener7]

70. So this is about the "so many" who are leaving the country? I guess

I haven't seen that "so many."

I reacted to the contention that people are saying "the sky is falling" "again." That connotes that those voicing their concern are, like Chicken Little in the story, afraid of imagined dangers.

These dangers are not imagined. And acknowledgment of them is not, to use the term recently made popular on DU when ridiculing those who are concerned about the rise in fascism, defeatist.

[FoxNewsSucks]

109. Thank you. Well said!

[Blues Heron]

78. it's already here - no ifs ands or buts about it. Roe v. Wade has fallen- do you get that?

what do mean when trouble comes, if it does? its already here. They are on the rampage, the usurper is, unbelievably, running again! They have captured the Supreme Court, State houses, its more than just antics like you say.

[inthewind21]

104. Thank you

It is already here. We were warned for decades. It's amazing how many are surprised.

[gab13by13]

8. I truly believe that the

"Don't Worry, Be Happy narrative is a right wing talking point designed to distract from what is going on.

The insurrection did not end on Jan. 6, 2021, it is ongoing. Our democracy is in more danger today than it ever was.

The Georgia Lt. Governor is a target of Fani Willis' prosecution and Georgia just passed a law that the governor will sign that allows this same Lt. Governor to pick the people who will select the commission that has the power to fire prosecutors. That my good friend is the road to authoritarianism, Georgia will not have an independent judiciary system, it will have a judiciary that is controlled by Magats.

[fightforfreedom]

12. It's a good thing you did not live during the civil war.

You would have believed America was done during that era. You would have said there is no hope.

[gab13by13]

17. I do not understand what you are saying, maybe I am slow?

Georgia already has a system in place to fire or impeach corrupt prosecutors. Why did it need to pass a second system?

Can you give a clear answer, I'm slow.

[Cosmocat]

25. Apples and oranges

The Civil war was mostly involved the military and the North had the resources to win the day from the very beginning. The "good guys also have working margins in our systems of government, which were at worst modestly corrupted.

N E V E R in our history has our governments and normative systems been as whole corrupted as they are now, and that is where this fight is - the right spends EVERY waking moment distorting and tearing it down. It is coming around all around us - which led to 45, and the thousands of craven right wing lunatics in DC, state and local governments.

And, sorry to say, each and every day the country just rolls over.

I posted that even before 45 won in 2016 ad it is worse now.

In one day a few days ago you had a state legislator calling, in session for hanging people from trees and lunatics at CPAC going on about eradicating transexualism - not a peep from the media or a care from the average american.

There was a time that a governor would not even think to pull the stunts Abbott has pulled with shipping migrants all over the country like he did, because he or she would have run out of office in a heartbeat.

Again, our media and country could give a shit.

[gab13by13]

30. The MSM is owned and managed by right wing domestic oligarchs.

I won't turn the news on TV until 4 PM and then turn it off at 6 PM.

[mountain grammy]

66. Everything is great until it isn't

There was a recent post about the 1959 atrocity in Wrightsville, AK when boy were locked in their dormitory and the dorm caught fire.. 21 burned to death. DUers are angry this incident wasn't "taught." I remember it because I was 11 when it happened and my mom said "nobody will ever pay for this." and she was right.

America is what it's always been.

[Bettie]

84. "Nobody will ever pay for this"

true then, true now, in many, many situations.

[Alpeduez21]

86. It literally took a fucking war to save america

I’m not sure you have a clear understanding of the civil war if you think fearing the end of America at that time was simply overblown hyperbole. If you show such an incredible lack of understanding of that topic how can one believe you understand what is going on now? You spend a great deal of effort telling readers to believe everything will be fine but with this post I think I begin to see how much you may not understand the current situation and how America is on the brink of changing for the worse.

[Skittles]

9. yes it seems like the investigation will go on.....forever

yup

[gab13by13]

14. I have no problem with the pace of Fani Willis' investigation.

Fani Willis started investigating Trump in March of 2021, DOJ used a pyramid strategy. Fani Willis is finished with her investigation, she is at the indictment stage.

[Beastly Boy]

21. So what's you point? DOJ is in the indictment stage too.

And DOJ is 1000 indictments ahead of Willis.

Apples and bananas.

[gab13by13]

31. I respect your opinion but

I want to wait and see what Fiendish Thingy thinks. I consider his opinions also.

[Fiendish Thingy]

94. See my reply #92 below. Nt

[getagrip_already]

79. doj's indictments are almost all for direct evidence crimes.....

People very visibly (and on camera) breaking laws and fighting with police.

None have been against the level where willis is today. None have reached tfg's inner circe (save for self inflicted contempt charges).

But willis can be derailed. Kemp will sign it. Whether a court ccan or will slow it down is a low probability.

The results in GA will be chilling for prosecutors.

[Beastly Boy]

91. No indictments for Willis. 1000 or so indictments for DOJ

That is the comparison that stands today.

Willis may indict tomorrow, and Jack Smith may indict tomorrow. Only then will we know the comparative caliber of the indictees.

Likewise, there is no way of knowing today whether Willis will ever be derailed. Only time will tell. And there is little toleance for the passage of time on this board.

[getagrip_already]

95. so you are saying....

You would be ok to wait and see if the scotus were taking steps to dismiss smith and squash his investigations?

Because that is what the GA legislature is doing here.

She will be gone faster than an anti-desantis gay themed book in a florida public school.

[inthewind21]

105. Exacly

what else would there be to do but wait to see what the SCOTUS is going to do, or a state legislature or the DOJ or a district attorney? I'm not big into springing into action without something concrete to be springing for. Do tell, what is the other options other than waiting to see what it actually done? FYI - I'm usually not OK waiting in line for a coffee. But I do. Not a good idea to go in loaded for bear before you've even placed an order.

[EYESORE 9001]

50. In a way, I do want investigation to go on forever

Sure, I want convictions and incarcerations ASAP, but the 1/6 insurrection should be investigated and studied for a generation or more IMO. I’m talking Warren Commission-level, ideally with Democrats in charge again.

[jaxexpat]

10. Yeah, Trump didn't stand a chance in 2016 and Roe is accepted law.

[Itchinjim]

53. 👍

[inthewind21]

106. Heard that

A LOT.

[Bettie]

110. They'll never overturn Roe!

It's settled law!

Heard that a lot. Even after the draft was leaked.

Now, I hear "They'll never overturn Obergefell". Yeah, right.

Lucy will totally let Charlie Brown kick the football, as long as he has faith.

[Joinfortmill]

13. I'm not so sure...

https://apnews.com/article/georgia-district-attorney-prosecutor-misconduct-removal-acb1b9f667c193d4bee6bb8fdb99c975

[BasicallyComplicated]

15. I live in Georgia...

We all know exactly what they are doing. Sorry they are coming for her because they know she has others in her sight. I Dont say this lightly they really think a second civil war is around the corner. Me and my family are armed and have our passports I suggest many of you do the same. I vote, I speak, and I know this is not particularly popular here but we have start operating like the threat is real!

[Cosmocat]

26. Yeah

people really don't get what is going on.

Germany late 1920s/early 1930s.

It IS going to get bad, just a matter of how bad.

[panader0]

45. Biden was elected by 8 million votes. The midterms were a win for Dems. Many laws have been

signed in this administration that benefit our nation. So many good things have happened so I don't
believe it's like Germany late 20's. Sure the repubs are batshit crazy, crazier than usual, but it will hurt
them come election time. The majority of Americans are not magas.

[gab13by13]

75. Our president isn't elected by majority vote,

he/she is elected by Electoral college votes and there are states that are looking at passing legislation to allow the legislators to select Electoral college electors regardless of how the people of the state voted.

Where would we be without Marc Elias, he could use some more help from Kristen Clarke.

[Cosmocat]

113. As I said Germany late 1920s / early 1930s

It didn't happen over night and there were ebbs and flows.

But, the wore the people of Germany down, corrupting the governmental and societal standards, and normalizing their horribleness.

That is what is happening here.

[Joinfortmill]

38. I hear you. It feels like were at some type of inflection point.

[Scrivener7]

58. This does feel like a next step. The minority seeding people and laws

into place so they have control over the majority and can exert power outside of the electoral and *normal* judicial processes.

[Bettie]

116. Thanks for the more local context

Iowa is turning into a hellhole (OK, it's nearly there now) too.

Now the state prosecutor can take over any county case...though, they fired all the competent people, so that would be a shitshow.

They will be turning the educational licensing board over to "Moms for Liberty" because the governor will be able to appoint them.

They have decided that state departments don't have to let the auditor audit them if they don't wanna...

It's a real threat and getting worse by the day.

[yaesu]

18. I wish I could afford a crystal ball but I'm sure the people in Germany pre 1933

had the same confidence in their justice system also. Oh no, it can never happen here.

[LymphocyteLover]

22. nothing is written yet and we can influence the future! The fact that so many people are talking

about Nazi Germany suggests we will not go quietly into that fate.

[Joinfortmill]

39. Exactly.

[LymphocyteLover]

19. Yes, though it is worrisome. More importantly it shows the extreme depths of GOP corruption

[Bettie]

23. Right...because MAGATs are all reasonable

and dedicated to the rule of law.

[Beastly Boy]

24. I tried to read the bill. There are some things in it I don't get

Some of them look pretty unconstitutional to me, but I am no expert by any means.

I will withhold my judgement until I learn more. At this point, there is no reason for either pessimism or optimism about the whole thing.

[Trueblue Texan]

27. Do you think they even bother...

...to be concerned about the constitutionality of the bills they write these days? I doubt it, with the DJT Supreme Court, they don't gotta worry 'bout no constitution!

[gab13by13]

37. I agree,

remember also that Roe is settled law.

[Beastly Boy]

54. Roe's constitutionality is based on precedent, not outright reference to the content of he Constitut

Separation of powers, checks and balances, are all written into the Constitution. But i don't discount the possibility that you may end up being right: I am not offering a qualified expert opinion. That's why I remain on the sidelines regarding this issue rather than take sides.

[Zeitghost]

97. The Constitution lists separation of powers

For the federal government. Not State governments.

[Beastly Boy]

99. Georgia Cinstitution, Section 2 Paragraph III:

Separation of legislative, judicial, and executive powers. The legislative,
judicial, and executive powers shall forever remain separate and distinct; and no person
discharging the duties of one shall at the same time exercise the functions of either of the
others except as herein provided.

[Zeitghost]

100. I'm not familiar with the intricacies of the GA Constitution

But that passage, in and of itself does not appear to be enough to stop the legislature from oversight of the AG.

It could very well be that the legislature does not have the power to give itself the power to remove a sitting AG, but it will take much more than the quoted text.

[Beastly Boy]

101. I did not say this may be enough.

I showed that the separation of powers is part of the GA Constitution. While the GA legislature looks unconstitutional to me, I warned everyone of my ignorance of law, and declined to comment any further. And this, of course, will indeed take much more than me quoting the GA Constitution. It will take a court challenge to this law.

[Beastly Boy]

40. depends on the "they" you are talking about are.

Willis will certainly be conccerned if this bill has any legal teeth. If I am right, a legal challenge is not out of the question. And neither the Georgia nor the US Supreme Courts would act in total disregard to the Constitution.

[gab13by13]

43. Georgia already has a process to fire or impeach corrupt prosecutors.

Why does Georgia need a new law that allows the Lt. Governor, who is a target of Fani Willis, to pick people to serve on a commission that can fire Fani Willis? What more is there to understand, this is authoritarianism when there will no longer be an independent judiciary, prosecutors will be beholden to Magat legislators.

[Beastly Boy]

48. That's one of the things I don't get.

But regardless of the reasons why, if I am right and the proposed law is unconstitutional, it will eventually be challenged, possibly by Willis herself. Of course, she will have to wait until she becomes an aggrieved party to the consequences of the law, IOW until someone attempts to fire or reprimand her on the basis of this law.

[Takket]

29. I agree

I listened to Rachel this morning and her AJC guest. The bill needs to be reconciled and the AJC person indicated that it would be probably a few months before it goes into effect. Drumpf will be indicted before Willis can be fired.

That doesn’t mean the bill is not a BLATANT miscarriage of justice for what it is trying to do, but it won’t stop drumpf from being indicted.

[Joinfortmill]

41. That's a bit of a relief.

[gab13by13]

47. Rachel's guest last night

said it would be a simple step to reconcile the 2 bills, would take a day or 2. He also said it would take a couple of weeks to set up the new commission.

We don't even know if Fani plans to indict Trump, that isn't even the point, the point is that Georgia will not have an independent judiciary system. The Lt. Governor has been targeted by Fani and he is one of the people who will select members of the new commission that can fire Fani. WTF Batman, what a yuuge conflict of interest.

[Scrivener7]

55. This is close to a replay of the Saturday Night Massacre during Watergate.

Only the stakes are much, much higher.

And there is no reason to expect there is anyone of good intent in its ratification chain to stop that ratification.

[Fiendish Thingy]

93. He didn't say that

The guest said it would take a couple of weeks until the governor signed the bill, and the bill wouldn’t take effect until “later this year”.

[malaise]

32. Vigilance is required 24/7

I am in the justice is coming camp but I am filly aware of what these fascists are up to.
We need to be on top of what they are trying. I am very glad Rahel raised that last night

[Joinfortmill]

42. She seemed quite upset, too.

[ShazzieB]

96. Exactly.

Rachel scared the hell out of me last night. And the thing is, I don't panic easily. I'm usually the last person to give up hope. It's just not in my nature to do that. Hell, I’ve been known to chide others for being defeatist, but last night, for the first time, I really did feel like the sky was falling, or at least getting ready to fall.

I've calmed down some since last night. Reading all the comments in this and other threads has made me see that there's more than one way to look at this. I'm still worried, though. Not panic stricken, but worried, and I think that's a reasonable reaction to this news.

[SoCalDavidS]

82. Like When You Were Certain In March 2021 That Justice Was Coming For Gaetz?

I know you’re like a God to people here, but you insisted that Gaetz would be indicted for certain, while people like me said he was above the law, and was more likely to be re-elected.

[Scrivener7]

89. I love you, malaise, but what does that mean? I think we're all vigilant. That's

why we're here.

Our vigilance will let us see what they are doing, but it won't stop them from doing it.

And I don't know what to do in the face of this slow-rolling coup other than vote and get out the vote, but that doesn't seem enough right now. This latest is them moving to nullify those votes.

[spanone]

35. Delay Delay Delay

[MayReasonRule]

36. 26 States Are Currently run by Fascists

Fascist Y'all Qaeda Nat-C Republicans govern and control the states of:

Texas
Oklahoma
Louisiana
Arkansas
Mississippi
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Alaska
Missouri
Montana
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Ohio
South Carolina
South Dakota
Utah
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

https://www.multistate.us/resources/2023-governors-and-legislatures

https://s3.amazonaws.com/multistate.us/production/resources/rmZCsqqToDRsuQXVz/attachment/multistate-2023-governors-and-legislatures.pdf

[LexVegas]

44. The more I read your pontifications on these subjects in particular, the less optimistic I become.nt

[gab13by13]

49. Thank you, now that made me smile.

[Scrivener7]

51. Ridicule of concern about the rise of fascism is exactly what fascism needs to rise.

Those who willfully and endlessly try to silence that concern are fascism's useful idiots, or worse.

[gordianot]

56. Well said.

[Emile]

60. Thank you for your voice of reason and common sense!

[Scrivener7]

67. Thank you, Emile. Both times.

[Celerity]

65. +100000

[maxrandb]

57. The American people in 2016

"Meh, it's not like he's a fascists or anything, how bad could it be?"

People in 2023: "Boycotting businesses and corporations in Georgia that support fascist Retrumplicans will only hurt the 'good' people in Georgia."

Sure, the Japanese blew up some Navy stuff in Hawaii, but that doesn't mean we should go to war over it.

JFC!!!!

[Scrivener7]

59. This! I have to wonder about those who ridicule our concern: what WOULD it

take for them to become concerned?

[Celerity]

85. Normalcy bias and an American exceptionalism-infused hubristic belief of invincibility of the system

If Trump getting elected in 2016, then coming within just a 21,461 D to R total vote swing, spread out over 3 states (WI, AZ, GA) of winning re-election in 2020, and now STILL, even after Jan. 6, having a somewhat decent chance of winning in 2024, does not give pause to that normalcy bias, I do not know what will.

[Scrivener7]

87. I KNOW! I am so feckin' sick to death of "American exceptionalism."

And though I agree with you that most are prey to normalcy bias, there are those who intentionally stoke that bias to quash discussion that might weaken the bias.

[Celerity]

90. Well, I was referring to good faith actors, who honestly believe that they are absolutely right and

that belief therefore gives them license (IMHO it does not when it comes to this subject) to disparage honest disagreement, especially good faith, cogent, and germane disagreement.

I was not referring to bad faith actors who are intentionally trying to supress dissent in order to allow nefariousness to run riot. I would truly hope those types are not darkening DU's door, and if they are, they are soon exposed and then quickly dispatched.

[inthewind21]

107. A-effing-MEN!

Thank you!

[gab13by13]

68. Something that hasn't been discussed,

If a prosecutor, DA is fired, how is he/she replaced? I know that Fani is elected by the people and she is up for reelection in 2024. Does the Deputy AG take over until the election or do the Magat legislators appoint a temporary Magat to fill the position, or do they hold a special election?

[ecstatic]

71. So in your opinion, why is the law being passed?

with such urgency? I'll wait.

[Hotler]

73. Democray will end with the next repug elected president. nt

[gab13by13]

81. That is a real possibility,

I am hoping we can regain the House but keeping control of the Senate will be tough because Democrats have more vulnerable seats up for reelection. We can do it.

[getagrip_already]

76. Why are you calling me out?

What have I done to you?

But since you asked, this is not a trivial situation. I haven't seen the bill in question, but it sounds like it makes it easier to recall an elected prosecutor.

If that is via a special election, then it is still bad, but not a certain outcome. She won her last election, though it was during an election with a lot of reason to turnout; special elections are often low turnout events, and you know magats would turn out. Still, it could take many months to get to an outcome.

However, if the recall is done by a vote of the legislature, then she should shining up her resume. She is toast, and it will be very quick.

Don't ignore this. well, not if you have an interest in prosecuting tfg in GA.

[gab13by13]

88. I will explain it again,

A commission will be set up to decide whether to fire prosecutors, Da's. The Lt Governor, who is a target of Fani, will be one of the people picking the commission.

Georgia already has a process for firing or impeaching corrupt prosecutors, it doesn't need this travesty of justice.

[Fiendish Thingy]

92. Well, it's not as black and white as that...

Willis is likely to seek indictments this month;

The law won’t be signed for another few weeks, and then won’t go into effect until later this year.

This is a clear attempt to intimidate Willis, and if she doesn’t fold, then it will be a challenge to the republicans in the legislature to see if they are willing to risk the certain backlash, in the streets and at the ballot box, should they remove Willis and shut down the prosecution of Trump and his co-conspirators.

Just this week, 23 protestors were charged with terrorism for protesting at the new “Cop City” training Center…

[ancianita]

98. When DeSantis fired the elected Hillsborough County DA, the DA was not reinstated by the courts.

US District Judge Robert Hinkle said in his opinion Friday that DeSantis’ suspension of Andrew Warren (ousted state attorney for Hillsborough County) violated the First Amendment and Florida’s Constitution, but as a federal judge, he could not rule against a state official based only on the violation of state law...

District Attorney Warren did not elaborate on whether he would appeal the ruling, attempt a new challenge in state court or try his luck with the Republican-controlled state Senate, which has final approval when a governor removes an elected official from office...

What this law does is nullify the votes of Hillsborough County, with no recourse against a governor who, in fact, found no suspension grounds for incompetence, but only disagreed on the attorney's approach to enforcing the law. The Florida Sheriff's Association unanimously and publicly agreed with DeSantis' act.

When sheriffs and enforcement back the governor, apparently, state courts have no teeth.

[Bettie]

111. I've been saying for a while

that the rule of law only applies as long as everyone agrees that laws are a thing.

One side of the political spectrum has determined that laws do not apply to them. At. All.

And it isn't our side.

[ancianita]

115. Thanks.

I wish more people realized that. Andrew Jackson was among our first leaders to say that just having a law doesn't compel anyone to obey it. That's why we've been seeing the insurgence by 'rule of men' types who want to end 'rule of law.' They fight tooth and nail to keep from being subject to enforcement, and stay 'above the law,' and extrajurisdictionally beyond its reach. Many consider the existence of laws an abridgment of their 'freedom,' which is more like zero sum self interest, as with capitalists.

Anyway, the courts in one branch will not tell the leaders in other branches what to do. If the DA suffered loss, harm or damage, his recourse is that he can sue, apparently.

[Sogo]

112. Ah, you're being sarcastic, right?

You should use this smilie:

[Celerity]

120. this aged like a two day-old full nappy baking in the Death Valley summer sun