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MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 02:05 PM Mar 2023

Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid

https://extragoodshit.phlap.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Why-the-Past-10-Years-of-American-Life-Have-Been-Uniquely-Stupid.html

The newly tweaked platforms were almost perfectly designed to bring out our most moralistic and least reflective selves.


“Those who express sympathy for the views of opposing groups may experience backlash from their own cohort.”


In this way, social media makes a political system based on compromise grind to a halt.


John Stuart Mill said, “He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that."


...when an institution punishes internal dissent, it shoots darts into its own brain.


Thanks to enhanced-virality social media, dissent is punished within many of our institutions, which means that bad ideas get elevated into official policy.


Social media’s empowerment... is creating a system that looks less like democracy and more like rule by the most aggressive.


May reason rule.







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MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
3. Your Humble Opinion is dead on Point! There is no reason within a continual arms race for attention.
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 02:16 PM
Mar 2023

Well said, that's a succinct summary of a TLDR!

While I do not concur with each and every of the author's conclusions, the opinion piece is based within the realm of investigative doubt, which is the very basis of reason.

FakeNoose

(32,823 posts)
2. Wouldn't it be nice if people just put down their phones
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 02:11 PM
Mar 2023

... and started talking to one another? It's cellphones that are being used to infect our brains with propaganda.

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
4. Cellphones are the "medium", delusion is the message; a.k.a. propaganda...
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 04:33 PM
Mar 2023

Reason's the solution, the only one I know, restoring where delusion, has sadly dealt it's blow.

May reason rule where delusion dwells!

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
7. You're dead on point. That requires doubt, the seed of reason.
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 05:21 PM
Mar 2023

For as long as I rejected doubt, I was "beat to hell" by the delusion that it manufactures in the process. When I embraced doubt, I was "lifted out" by the reason that I had embraced in the process of doubting.

Those that embrace delusion, manufacture further delusion, in order to maintain the delusion.
There is no reason without doubt.

One of the seminal tomes that lifted me out of delusion is "Foucault's Pendulum" - - Umberto Eco.
He portrays delusion in such a way that the reader, as they are drawn into the characters delusional maelstroms, may recognize similar patterns within their own realms of existence.


Only for you, children of doctrine and learning, have we written this work. Examine this book, ponder the meaning we have dispersed in various places and gathered again; what we have concealed in one place we have disclosed in another, that it may be understood by your wisdom
--Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim, De occulta philosophia, 3, 65



Superstition brings bad luck.
--Raymond Smullyan, 5000 B.C., 1.3.8



KETER - Hebrew: כֶּתֶר?, Keṯer, lit. "crown" also known as Kether, is the topmost of the sephirot of the Tree of Life in Kabbalah. Keter is so sublime, it is called in the Zohar "the most hidden of all hidden things", and is completely incomprehensible to man. It is also described as absolute compassion.


1.

That was when I saw the Pendulum.
The sphere, hanging from a long wire set into the ceiling of the choir, swayed back and forth with isochronal majesty.
I knew-but anyone could have sensed it in the magic of that serene breathing-that the period was governed by the square root of the length of the wire and by IT, that number which, however irrational to sublunar minds, through a higher rationality binds the circumference and diameter of all possible circles. The time it took the sphere to swing from end to end was determined by an arcane conspiracy between the most timeless of measures: the singularity of the point of suspension, the duality of the plane's dimensions, the triadic beginning of ir, the secret quadratic nature of the root, and the unnumbered perfection of the circle itself.
I also knew that a magnetic device centered in the floor beneath issued its command to a cylinder hidden in the heart of the sphere, thus assuring continual motion. This device, far from interfering with the law of the Pendulum, in fact permitted its manifestation, for in a vacuum any object hanging from a weightless and unstretchable wire free of air resistance and friction will oscillate for eternity.


I was roused by a listless exchange between a boy who wore glasses and a girl who unfortunately did not.
"It's Foucault's Pendulum," he was saying. "First tried out in a cellar in 1851, then shown at the Observatoire, and later under the dome of the Pantheon with a wire sixty-seven meters long and a sphere weighing twenty-eight kilos. Since 1855 it's been here, in a smaller version, hanging from that hole in the middle of the rib."
"What does it do? Just hang there?"
"It proves the rotation of the earth. Since the point of suspension doesn't move..."
"Why doesn't it move?"
"Well, because a point...the central point, I mean, the one right in the middle of all the points you see...it's a geometric point; you can't see it because it has no dimension, and if something has no dimension, it can't move, not right or left, not up or down. So it doesn't rotate with the earth. You understand? It can't even rotate around itself. There is no 'itself.' "
"But the earth turns."
"The earth turns, but the point doesn't. That's how it is. Just take my word for it."
"I guess it's the Pendulum's business."

Idiot. Above her head was the only stable place in the cosmos, the only refuge from the damnation of the panta rei, and she guessed it was the Pendulum's business, not hers. A moment later the couple went off-he, trained on some textbook that had blunted his capacity for wonder, she, inert and insensitive to the thrill of the infinite, both oblivious of the awesomeness of their encounter-their first and last encounter-with the One, the Ein-Sof, the Ineffable. How could you fail to kneel down before this altar of certitude?


I watched with reverence and fear. In that instant I was convinced that Jacopo Belbo was right. What he told me about the Pendulum I had attributed to esthetic raving, to the shapeless cancer taking gradual shape in his soul, transforming the game into reality without his realizing it. But if he was right about the Pendulum, perhaps all the rest was true as well: the Plan, the Universal Plot. And in that case I had been right to come here, on the eve of the summer solstice. Jacopo Belbo was not crazy; he had simply, through his game, hit upon the truth.
But the fact is that it doesn't take long for the experience of the Numinous to unhinge the mind.


I was religiously suicidal and suicidally religious from the age of eight to thirty-eight.
Beat to hell, lifted out, odd to say, both times by doubt...


Doubt is my "savior".
Reason is my "god".

May reason rule.

ancianita

(36,160 posts)
6. 1. extragoodshit"In this way, social media makes a political system based on compromise grind to a
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 05:00 PM
Mar 2023

halt."

My Facebook friend, a musician and recovering cancer patient, posted this today:

Sometimes I like to go on Twitter and just tweet really nice things to people. It seems to really throw them off.

He got 1 "love," 7 "likes" and 10 "laughs" No wows, sad faces, or frowns.

Same friend posted this two days ago:

If you’re a liberal person, maybe even a registered Democrat when it comes to your voting for lawmakers, and you and I agree on 90% of all our core beliefs and values, but I disagree with you on 10-percent of things. Like maybe I’m against abortion for example (I’m not, but this is just an example) or maybe I want our borders much more tightly closed to illegal immigration, or WHATEVER the 10-percent may be.
Can you live with that?
Or do you feel a need to re-classify me as “non-liberal” or “conservative” or ANY new label that isn’t the one that you choose for your own self?


He got 2 "Likes" and 20 comments, one being mine.

2.
Thanks to enhanced-virality social media, dissent is punished within many of our institutions, which means that bad ideas get elevated into official policy.


I take it you endorse this extragoodshit site or poster.

In my experience, half the OP statements are no longer true. Only when Russian bots and bot marketing during Trump years was this hold true. Platforms can change the same way people can change. Once bad isn't bad forever. Unless they're exactly the Fox News model (which we can't prove), then yes, they're stupid and have 'normalized' the stupid.

And I'm sure you're not including Mastodon in this platform criticism, since it actually is a fediverse and not a corporate, data gathering enterprise.

I'm not on Twitter, so if this is where the OP statements are from, I can only comment on Facebook. I can't agree anymore that Facebook fits the OP characterizations. I've seen that since Facebook said they changed their content moderation methods and tweaked their AI (tech journalism sites keep an eye on them), public discourse has greatly improved.

Finally, in no way do does punished dissent on social media platforms drive the formation of official policy. Not one bit.

That second statement requires some studies to back it up.



MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
8. Happy Wednesday ancita!! Although I do not concur with each and every of the articles assertions..
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 06:44 PM
Mar 2023

...the opinion piece is based within the realm of investigative doubt, which is the very basis of reason.

There is no reason in the absence of doubt.

Doubt is the seed of reason.

Curiosity is a form of doubt, it seeks to reveal what there may be, that has not been understood.

It is the very foundation of our intellectual reasoning.

Extragoodshit is a website that I came across when I was researching an alternate reader link from the article that was posted on https://www.memeorandum.com/river ... it's not an endorsement of the site itself, merely a reader link.

More than anything I like to promote well reasoned intellectual discourse that may lay bare insights from others that hold the promise of understanding how the rubber really meets the road.

Thank you for your analysis, it provides further insights for all that may read it in laying bare how the rubber, really meets the road!



ancianita

(36,160 posts)
9. Hi, there! Happy Wednesday to you, too!
Wed Mar 8, 2023, 10:19 PM
Mar 2023

Re doubt, some say it's a seed of skepticism. I see it as a seed of insecurity and, when not tested, can lead to despair.

https://patch.com/us/across-america/there-good-bad-kind-doubt


Curiosity is a form of wonder, something to be cultivated and encouraged.




Thanks a bunch for your post!

MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
10. Right on y'all! I appreciate the civil intellectual discourse, it's how I continue to learn!
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 08:30 AM
Mar 2023

Last edited Thu Mar 9, 2023, 10:31 AM - Edit history (1)

Thank you for the meaningful, well thought out and and informed responses.

TIL about Terry Heick, I will read into his work further, as I find his examination of curiosity most fascinating! So cool!



I learned at an early age that definition of terms define how one approaches a subject.

Differentiation of terms and the inferences one draws from them are akin to our life experiences, where many experience the same thing simultaneously, with each coming away with their own unique experience.

I was reared as a "true believer" within a sect of the Abrahamic Blood Cults. I was inculcated from birth, and was taught to reject all doubt, instead embracing the delusion of faith, which as presented within the fable, requires one to cast aside all doubt, and merely "believe".

Within the fable, Thomas was decried for his lack of "faith" because he doubted.

Today, I view the fabled Thomas as a heroic figure. He was the only character that even attempted to embrace reason.

It took me thirty years to escape the tenacious grip of the Abrahamic delusions that I had been inculcated with since birth.

So for me, doubt is a many splendid thing.

When I rejected doubt, I was "beat to hell" by the delusions that I embraced as a result of that rejection.

When I embraced doubt, I was "lifted out" by the doubt that I had necessarily employed to gain reason.

Hence, "Beat to hell, lifted out, odd to say, both times by doubt!"

Doubt is my "savior".
Reason is my "god".

My best take on the Abrahamic tales is: "If your father's forgiveness needs blood for the plan, wash in the son of your god's, not the suffering mans!!"

Peace y'all, and may reason rule!

Celerity

(43,590 posts)
11. The article is from The Atlantic Magazine, the link is just an agregator
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:01 AM
Mar 2023

I posted the article 11 months ago:

Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid: It's not just a phase.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216587213



https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/05/social-media-democracy-trust-babel/629369/

https://archive.ph/exMna



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It’s been clear for quite a while now that red America and blue America are becoming like two different countries claiming the same territory, with two different versions of the Constitution, economics, and American history. But Babel is not a story about tribalism; it’s a story about the fragmentation of everything. It’s about the shattering of all that had seemed solid, the scattering of people who had been a community. It’s a metaphor for what is happening not only between red and blue, but within the left and within the right, as well as within universities, companies, professional associations, museums, and even families. Babel is a metaphor for what some forms of social media have done to nearly all of the groups and institutions most important to the country’s future—and to us as a people. How did this happen? And what does it portend for American life?

The Rise of the Modern Tower

There is a direction to history and it is toward cooperation at larger scales. We see this trend in biological evolution, in the series of “major transitions” through which multicellular organisms first appeared and then developed new symbiotic relationships. We see it in cultural evolution too, as Robert Wright explained in his 1999 book, Nonzero: The Logic of Human Destiny. Wright showed that history involves a series of transitions, driven by rising population density plus new technologies (writing, roads, the printing press) that created new possibilities for mutually beneficial trade and learning. Zero-sum conflicts—such as the wars of religion that arose as the printing press spread heretical ideas across Europe—were better thought of as temporary setbacks, and sometimes even integral to progress. (Those wars of religion, he argued, made possible the transition to modern nation-states with better-informed citizens.) President Bill Clinton praised Nonzero’s optimistic portrayal of a more cooperative future thanks to continued technological advance.

The early internet of the 1990s, with its chat rooms, message boards, and email, exemplified the Nonzero thesis, as did the first wave of social-media platforms, which launched around 2003. Myspace, Friendster, and Facebook made it easy to connect with friends and strangers to talk about common interests, for free, and at a scale never before imaginable. By 2008, Facebook had emerged as the dominant platform, with more than 100 million monthly users, on its way to roughly 3 billion today. In the first decade of the new century, social media was widely believed to be a boon to democracy. What dictator could impose his will on an interconnected citizenry? What regime could build a wall to keep out the internet?

The high point of techno-democratic optimism was arguably 2011, a year that began with the Arab Spring and ended with the global Occupy movement. That is also when Google Translate became available on virtually all smartphones, so you could say that 2011 was the year that humanity rebuilt the Tower of Babel. We were closer than we had ever been to being “one people,” and we had effectively overcome the curse of division by language. For techno-democratic optimists, it seemed to be only the beginning of what humanity could do.

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MayReasonRule

(1,463 posts)
12. Right on, coming across it on an aggregator site was my first encounter with the article.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 10:36 AM
Mar 2023

I only recently began participating within the Democratic Underground forum.

So glad that I found this forum, I really appreciate the ongoing civil discourse conducted with reasoned facts in evidence.

What was your take on the opinion piece?

Although I don't fully concur with each and every assertion and conclusion that the author holds, I do find that it delves into the subject in a way that further expanded my understanding of mine, and others activities on line.

I enjoy it as salient food for thought.

How about you?

Celerity

(43,590 posts)
13. I found this part to be very salient
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 11:19 AM
Mar 2023
It’s Going to Get Much Worse

in a 2018 interview, Steve Bannon, the former adviser to Donald Trump, said that the way to deal with the media is “to flood the zone with shit.” He was describing the “firehose of falsehood” tactic pioneered by Russian disinformation programs to keep Americans confused, disoriented, and angry. But back then, in 2018, there was an upper limit to the amount of shit available, because all of it had to be created by a person (other than some low-quality stuff produced by bots).

Now, however, artificial intelligence is close to enabling the limitless spread of highly believable disinformation. The AI program GPT-3 is already so good that you can give it a topic and a tone and it will spit out as many essays as you like, typically with perfect grammar and a surprising level of coherence. In a year or two, when the program is upgraded to GPT-4, it will become far more capable. In a 2020 essay titled “The Supply of Disinformation Will Soon Be Infinite,” Renée DiResta, the research manager at the Stanford Internet Observatory, explained that spreading falsehoods—whether through text, images, or deep-fake videos—will quickly become inconceivably easy. (She co-wrote the essay with GPT-3.)

American factions won’t be the only ones using AI and social media to generate attack content; our adversaries will too. In a haunting 2018 essay titled “The Digital Maginot Line,” DiResta described the state of affairs bluntly. “We are immersed in an evolving, ongoing conflict: an Information World War in which state actors, terrorists, and ideological extremists leverage the social infrastructure underpinning everyday life to sow discord and erode shared reality,” she wrote. The Soviets used to have to send over agents or cultivate Americans willing to do their bidding. But social media made it cheap and easy for Russia’s Internet Research Agency to invent fake events or distort real ones to stoke rage on both the left and the right, often over race. Later research showed that an intensive campaign began on Twitter in 2013 but soon spread to Facebook, Instagram, and YouTube, among other platforms. One of the major goals was to polarize the American public and spread distrust—to split us apart at the exact weak point that Madison had identified.

We now know that it’s not just the Russians attacking American democracy. Before the 2019 protests in Hong Kong, China had mostly focused on domestic platforms such as WeChat. But now China is discovering how much it can do with Twitter and Facebook, for so little money, in its escalating conflict with the U.S. Given China’s own advances in AI, we can expect it to become more skillful over the next few years at further dividing America and further uniting China. In the 20th century, America’s shared identity as the country leading the fight to make the world safe for democracy was a strong force that helped keep the culture and the polity together. In the 21st century, America’s tech companies have rewired the world and created products that now appear to be corrosive to democracy, obstacles to shared understanding, and destroyers of the modern tower.

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