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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 08:25 PM Mar 2023

Maybe I'm just having a bad day. Maybe the seven years af daily drip, drip, drip of putrid

narcissism and evil have finally entirely eroded away all of the "nice" I ever possessed. For whatever reason, I cannot any longer in good conscience give any Republican who did not strongly and clearly renounce Trump after the January 6, 2021 insurrection ANY "benefit of the doubt". NONE!

These are not "decent people". They are spineless anti-American cowards who are shamelessly willing to applaud anything Trump spews. They are monster enablers.

I don't like any of them and I don't want any contact or association with them. I will not "work with" any and I will no longer even try to mask my contempt for them. They get in my face at their peril.

Some who disagree will say that "it may take years", but eventually we'll " move on"; "forgive and forget".

I will not live so long!

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Maybe I'm just having a bad day. Maybe the seven years af daily drip, drip, drip of putrid (Original Post) Atticus Mar 2023 OP
I'm having a blah day. RandySF Mar 2023 #1
This from early 2021 SledDriver Mar 2023 #2
So much this! imaginary girl Mar 2023 #3
I stopped talking to my neighbor hibbing Mar 2023 #4
My neighbor still has Trump flags up. vanlassie Mar 2023 #6
Make a flyer to drop in his mailbox at night :) Justice matters. Mar 2023 #33
You nailed it. "They" have to keep digging. It's about "owning" libs and how they've been having allegorical oracle Mar 2023 #42
Thanks for this. It sums it up for me. yonder Mar 2023 #8
Amen to that Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #12
This is perfect! Thank you for the clarity. fierywoman Mar 2023 #13
Amen! 2naSalit Mar 2023 #21
Your second paragraph says it for me and my relationships. LakeArenal Mar 2023 #36
Yep not fooled Mar 2023 #40
Wow! Succinct, accurate, and expresses my sentiments Torchlight Mar 2023 #32
This sums it up. Bluethroughu Mar 2023 #34
I have two family members I have no issue applying this to, CrispyQ Mar 2023 #37
My sentiments exactly. Thx! nt allegorical oracle Mar 2023 #38
"any Republican who did not strongly and clearly renounce Trump" CloudWatcher Mar 2023 #5
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Mar 2023 #7
At least MySideOfTown Mar 2023 #9
Me too Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #14
Agree, but am struggling because of DeSatan. Now have TWO ugly pols to upset me. nt allegorical oracle Mar 2023 #39
I hear you Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #10
Party over country. lpbk2713 Mar 2023 #11
👍 Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #15
Propaganda works bdamomma Mar 2023 #16
I just want *something* to turn this all around. ananda Mar 2023 #17
I am exactly in the same place, time and sentiment Atticus. I have had enough of coup-enablers Evolve Dammit Mar 2023 #18
+1000 llmart Mar 2023 #19
been saying it for years now. barbtries Mar 2023 #20
They are terrified of their own constituents. Baked Potato Mar 2023 #22
" Never forgive a friend who betrays you once, he will betray you again." Plato spike jones Mar 2023 #23
"Forget and forgive" is overrated. Who, that has lived through TFG, can ever do either? panader0 Mar 2023 #24
I'm with you! I'm getting increasingly intolerant of conservative bullshit every day. Initech Mar 2023 #25
Sadly and reluctantly, I have come to the same conclusion. Like the "bad apples" in the police force Martin68 Mar 2023 #26
Can anyone forgive Hitler?...Trump through neglect, killed hundreds of thousands. Stuart G Mar 2023 #27
it was worse than neglect, it was malfeasance GenXer47 Mar 2023 #44
There are some real benefits to living in one of those big liberal cities these nut jobs lees1975 Mar 2023 #28
Lucky you. But the rest of us have to live our lives in dread and danger. Especially women in Texas. efhmc Mar 2023 #31
I think of all my women sisters in the Red States where abortion has been practically, or totally... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #49
Actually both of my daughters had to have D&Cs. For one it was not a problem. She was in CA at that efhmc Mar 2023 #52
Woah. That's so tough! Yes, certainly one of my signs for a march when Covid dies down more... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #53
I give thanks that I was born to liberal parents in NYC, and not in a Republican neighborhood... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #50
keep in mind Skittles Mar 2023 #29
There's something disturbed in the air today thatcrowwoman Mar 2023 #30
Their behavior is inexcusable on all fronts judesedit Mar 2023 #35
This is how my wife feels about my Dad. maxsolomon Mar 2023 #41
I will never forgive insurrection. OldBaldy1701E Mar 2023 #43
part of me wants to clock out and go home but part of me wants to stick around and AllaN01Bear Mar 2023 #45
I avoid contact and conversations with republicans like the plague. Although last week Pepsidog Mar 2023 #46
Can anyone top this? Playingmantis Mar 2023 #47
Ohhh boy, you have a plateful of crazy! Gah! electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #48
Yes all to blame Meowmee Mar 2023 #51

hibbing

(10,594 posts)
4. I stopped talking to my neighbor
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:08 PM
Mar 2023

I know there are thousands of people who have lost friends and family. No matter what I went over to talk to my neighbor about, he would bring tfg up. I just stopped going over there. At least some other neighbors in this blue city in a red state are cool.

Peace

allegorical oracle

(6,460 posts)
42. You nailed it. "They" have to keep digging. It's about "owning" libs and how they've been having
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 01:44 PM
Mar 2023

lib policies "shoved down their throats." At first I took that seriously -- had I done that? But as time rattled on, I came to doubt it.

Their grievances were more about other issues...like their parents, teachers, getting lousy jobs, horrible bosses, and blacks or immigrants getting "all the breaks."

Decided they have had proverbial chips on their shoulders for their entire lives and djt became their heroic tool to voice their whinings -- hell with the country. Now they won't shut up.

2naSalit

(102,652 posts)
21. Amen!
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:57 PM
Mar 2023

But, I have to interact with quite a few though I limit my exposure as much as possible. I'm a Democrat in a rural state that was overtaken by magats, I can't function without interacting with some of them. In a place where survival comes before politics, it's a little different.

I also know people who have never paid much attention to politics because they don't understand it and won't be educated no matter how you try to explain that it affects them directly. I have tried with many. If I could be more self sufficient I would not be dealing with most of them. But aging makes you make concessions.

Otherwise, I couldn't argue with the concept at all.

not fooled

(6,671 posts)
40. Yep
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 01:24 PM
Mar 2023

Your second paragraph explains my situation entirely. I'm in yuma--armpit of the desert SW and rife with trumpers--packing to move.

A neighbor is helping me (I pay him). He's probably a full-on trumper but doesn't say much around me. However, yesterday--in response to his wondering why I am so set on leaving the country--I told him that it's being turned into a fascist theocratic oligarchy and I don't want to stay around to see it to completion. So we talked politics for a while--turns out he hates the government, thinks it doesn't do anything right, thinks both parties are equally bad, had no knowledge of e.g. the Dominion lawsuit (although he does "know" that Murdoch is a registered Democrat, so there! (???), Citizens United, etc. Gets his news apparently from fecesbook (he was reticent on that point) but claims he doesn't watch faux, only the Fox Business channel. High school education if that. Religious and a gun "enthusiast." There is no way he will become better informed and vote his economic interests. Racist posts on fb.

I told him that guns, abortion, religion, racism, anti-gay and trans etc. are all being used to stir us up and keep us divided and fighting amongst ourselves while the monied interests rip us off. Didn't seem to resonate with him and I sensed I was ticking him off, so ended the discussion. In the absence of facts there is no way he will change his thinking, and he doesn't want to be better informed or change what he thinks.

I just need to be sure to keep off politics until the packing and moving are finished.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
34. This sums it up.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 12:02 PM
Mar 2023

My mom needed some money, and my sister told me that my mom gave her a stack of trump dollars and told her she could have them as an exchange, they're worth a lot of money...I told my sister why didn't she go to the bank and pay her bills with them then.

I'm un-interested in these people and their excuses for the ugly disturbing mindset.

CrispyQ

(40,945 posts)
37. I have two family members I have no issue applying this to,
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 12:48 PM
Mar 2023

but I have one that I'm heartbroken about, that he could still be a trumper after everything that's been revealed. If my mother were alive, she'd be a trumper, too.

CloudWatcher

(2,127 posts)
5. "any Republican who did not strongly and clearly renounce Trump"
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:09 PM
Mar 2023

Much too long, just shorten it to "any Republican" that has not left the party.

They are not the loyal opposition, they are the party of insurrectionists and traitors.

MySideOfTown

(225 posts)
9. At least
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:18 PM
Mar 2023

I got to live through 50 years of liberal advancements (after 1973).

Now, I think I don't have much longer and I can probably put up with the shit that' going to happen. I won't like it, but the next generation is going to have to turn it around again. I won't live to see it. They will always have my vote, for as long as I last.

lpbk2713

(43,271 posts)
11. Party over country.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:22 PM
Mar 2023


I don't see how anyone with a conscience can do it. So obviously they have no conscience. I have no use for anyone who says they are that party which I shall not name.

bdamomma

(69,527 posts)
16. Propaganda works
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:26 PM
Mar 2023

this is what happens in a fascist state, repeat the lies over and over again, people believe it. These MAGA thugs just can't wrap their heads?? that we are not going away. This is Putin's wet dream to get revenge, and just think there's that slither of ? Americans who want a totalitarian government and burn everything that our fathers, brothers, uncles, sisters fought for many years ago. We will NOT surrender to these disgusting, and hateful MAGA thugs.

ananda

(35,093 posts)
17. I just want *something* to turn this all around.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:26 PM
Mar 2023

I'm tired of being depressed with news every damm day.

Basta!!!!!!!!!!!

Evolve Dammit

(21,766 posts)
18. I am exactly in the same place, time and sentiment Atticus. I have had enough of coup-enablers
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:40 PM
Mar 2023

and MAGATS. No more. Glad to know I'm not alone. Sadly it has taken a toll on our faith in humankind. I feel very differntly than I di seven years ago. I truly hate the MF'ers.
Take care

llmart

(17,588 posts)
19. +1000
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:45 PM
Mar 2023

I'm in complete agreement. You said everything I feel about those people. I don't have enough years left on this earth to spend any of that precious time on any of them. They don't deserve it.

barbtries

(31,301 posts)
20. been saying it for years now.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 09:51 PM
Mar 2023

we will be generations rooting out the rot left by trump. if we do. I'm with you.

Baked Potato

(7,733 posts)
22. They are terrified of their own constituents.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 10:00 PM
Mar 2023

Republicans know their crazies will hunt them down and kill them.

Their constituents want NO cooperation or compromise with Democrats.

Republicans built these monolithic jack-wagons, now they must suffer them and hope Democrats save their sorry, cowardly asses.

Initech

(108,694 posts)
25. I'm with you! I'm getting increasingly intolerant of conservative bullshit every day.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 10:47 PM
Mar 2023

No, I don't want to hear anyone's thoughts about woke advertisers or homeless encampments or that the election was stolen. Conservative bullshit is everywhere and it's getting exponentially crazier. Shit, Tucker Carlson is now openly spewing genocidal rhetoric on the air every night and they're banning books and attempting to police thought. I can't support anyone who is in favor of banning books of any kind. It's completely unconstitutional.

Martin68

(27,677 posts)
26. Sadly and reluctantly, I have come to the same conclusion. Like the "bad apples" in the police force
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 10:54 PM
Mar 2023

who can continue to to their dirty work because of the "good apples," every Republican who protected Tump and his supporters with their votes is guilty as hell.

Stuart G

(38,726 posts)
27. Can anyone forgive Hitler?...Trump through neglect, killed hundreds of thousands.
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 10:57 PM
Mar 2023

Trump didn't care. He said the pandemic was all a "hoax." That, and the January 6th riot will be what Trump will
always be remembered for. Trump is a fool and in time he will be remembered for that too. I believe too that when
I remember Donald Trump, I will compare him to a killer who didn't care who he killed. ..
....I am not "nice" when I think of Donald Trump and his crowd. Anyone who supports him now, is anti-democracy and
anti-United States. I will not forgive Trump, ever. (You are not alone) Trump did what he did because he could do it,
and say it because of the same.
.....Imagine the commercials from us whit Trump saying it is all a "HOAX" ....I don't think he can get elected to anything
with those commercials. He may have as much as 25 percent. But the other 75 percent, hate him like we do.

lees1975

(7,039 posts)
28. There are some real benefits to living in one of those big liberal cities these nut jobs
Thu Mar 9, 2023, 11:10 PM
Mar 2023

love to put down.

It gives us a much more realistic picture of how things really are. Most Americans don't live in the bigoted, racist, small towns and rural areas, they live in the cities and suburbs. Here, there are way more of us than there are of you.

No, there's not as much crime as you say there is.

Property values are high, conveniences are many, and we don't have to listen to the Trump lies. He'd never hold a rally here, he tried once, no one showed up.

You can complain about all the influence we have in elections. That's how it works. If more people live in the big city, then there will be more votes from the big city. Votes win elections, not wide open spaces. I don't care how big the red spaces are on the map, there are ten times as many people in the blue spaces.

If it wasn't for the taxes we pay, on the salaries we earn that are bigger than yours, you wouldn't have the infrastructure or the benefits that you have.

I'm with you, Atticus. And with the majority who feel the same way all around me here in the great city of Chicago. I'd rather live here than anywhere else.

efhmc

(16,622 posts)
31. Lucky you. But the rest of us have to live our lives in dread and danger. Especially women in Texas.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 11:36 AM
Mar 2023

My people came here when we were a nation and I was always proud to be from here but not now. My female friends of my age say the same. Why do they have such power?

electric_blue68

(26,835 posts)
49. I think of all my women sisters in the Red States where abortion has been practically, or totally...
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 11:21 PM
Mar 2023

banned. 😔

efhmc

(16,622 posts)
52. Actually both of my daughters had to have D&Cs. For one it was not a problem. She was in CA at that
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 03:48 PM
Mar 2023

time. The other one worked for a Catholic hospital in Austin and had to go to another facility to get the D&C done because that hospital did not do any "abortions". Both fetuses had no heartbeats. Each woman was trying hard to have children (happily both were able to each have two wonderful children later.) That was 10 years ago. I still do not understand and never will understand why women are not treated as humans but as reproductive units in the state I once loved so much.

electric_blue68

(26,835 posts)
53. Woah. That's so tough! Yes, certainly one of my signs for a march when Covid dies down more...
Sun Mar 12, 2023, 11:07 PM
Mar 2023

would be "Women Are PEOPLE First!!!"


It's so infuriating!!! 😩🤬🤬🤬

I don't get it, either, really.

electric_blue68

(26,835 posts)
50. I give thanks that I was born to liberal parents in NYC, and not in a Republican neighborhood...
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 11:30 PM
Mar 2023

they're here, but quite less of them!

I love 🥰🧡🥰 NYC!


(no, it's not perfect but it's benefits and perks far outway it's cons.)

I also love, and have visited other cities in the past, as well as amazing deep countryside!

Chicago is the one city I've yet to visit that I might be able to save up for over time. Seattle is probably out of reach travel $$ wise.

Skittles

(171,628 posts)
29. keep in mind
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 12:22 AM
Mar 2023

they have absolutely no problem with questioning the patriotism of kneeling football players

thatcrowwoman

(1,230 posts)
30. There's something disturbed in the air today
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 11:31 AM
Mar 2023

Posted this in music appreciation, but thinking you need it, also, too, Atticus.
Shout it out, rant it out, sing it out and feel more better after a musical interlude? Works for me most times.
🕊thatcrowwoman

maxsolomon

(38,680 posts)
41. This is how my wife feels about my Dad.
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 01:34 PM
Mar 2023

She blames him for all this shit because he votes GQP & watches Fox with his GF.

Makes for really enjoyable dinners where I'm expected to explain his reasoning. The thing is, it's not reasoning - 99% of the time, he doesn't know jack about any given MAGA/GQP topic. It's always news to him when I bring things up.

He's a propaganda victim, he's 86, and he won't listen to me or any of my siblings. He's not angry about it, he just won't vote for a Dem.

There's a lot of GQP voters like him.

AllaN01Bear

(29,430 posts)
45. part of me wants to clock out and go home but part of me wants to stick around and
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 03:22 PM
Mar 2023

then clock out and go home wound up in the icu twice where i am and came close to clocking out and going home , but didnt.

Pepsidog

(6,365 posts)
46. I avoid contact and conversations with republicans like the plague. Although last week
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 05:35 PM
Mar 2023

I represented a 20-year-old guy for two duis that occurred three months apart. His readings on both days were over twice the legal limit, and I have representes him for about one year. Waiting for your to start, I asked him if he was interested in a career in healthcare like his mother. He said he doesn’t like being told what to do and refuses to be vaxxed. Here we are in a courthouse where we had to go through a metal detector to get in the building, and this dope thinks freedom is saying no to being vaxxed. I looked at him and said if you want to be freed, move to Somalia or some other country where it’s survival of the fittest, and stop hiding behind his mother’s skirt.

Playingmantis

(632 posts)
47. Can anyone top this?
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 08:00 PM
Mar 2023

My sister compared Obama to Hitler and insists the election was stolen.

My son applauds the insurrectionists and says he would have burned the entire building down, my daughter-in-law says Biden is senile, one of my best friends voted for Trump and says the FBI lies and cant be trusted, another is a big DeSantis fan, the guys I had morning coffee with turn out to be Trumpers...( never had coffee after that) .and the asshole down the street flies a US flag, a Trump flag and another that says "Fuck Biden"..and i live in a New England state..

The disease is everywhere! I am so goddamned sick of it all! I feel trapped in a nightmare of stupidity that never ends!

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
51. Yes all to blame
Fri Mar 10, 2023, 11:50 PM
Mar 2023

Including those who did not vote, “could not” vote hrc etc. As far I am concerned they murdered my beloved father, and the dear leader is still walking free. I wish I had had the good sense to leave before it happened. Really I wish we never came here at all.

If justice is not served in any form to the top level, it says all of the crimes are ok.

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