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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMitch McConnell fell two days ago & is still hospitalized w/very little info.
If it were a Democratic leader, holy crap, it would be all over the news, being led by Faux spreading innuendo and lies. These lies seem to quickly spread to MSM.
What we've been told is that he suffered a concussion. One is not usually hospitalized for a concussion unless it's pretty significant (this according to a medical consultant on CNN yesterday - the only time I heard it discussed (and it was brief).
I googled his condition and came up blank w/any follow up.
TheRealNorth
(9,647 posts)If the Turtle does give up the ghost, we will be subjugated to a day or two of the MSM whitewashing his past, trying to convince the people that don't pay attention to politics that Moscow Mitch wasn't a bad guy.
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,122 posts)NotHardly
(2,705 posts)Look, any time any other Politician or Celebrity is injured we are flooded with up dates 10 times a day.
Here we have crickets.
He's dead and the Republicans are in melt down. Why would Democrats be silent ...well, according to the Art of War you should never interrupt while your enemy is making mistakes.
I got $5 that says I am right
Bluethroughu
(7,215 posts)I bet his bestie Lu is waiting for that ride south.
leftieNanner
(16,159 posts)A stroke.
My mom fell a lot later in life. Turns out she had a lot of mini strokes.
Also, you are correct that you are not usually hospitalized for a concussion. My daughter had several playing basketball in college. They just told her to stay home in the dark.
Wingus Dingus
(9,173 posts)based on his bruising levels in past photos. So he was at risk of clotting/stroke, but also at risk for bleeding during falls with the thinners. Perhaps his fall caused a brain hemorrhage or other internal bleeding.
Renew Deal
(85,145 posts)They report what you can see, not what you don't see. I'm surprised that there hasn't been video or witness interviews. This situation doesn't look good. An 81 year old guy falls and hits his head. He's in the hospital for at least 3 days?
Codifer
(1,205 posts)of the fella in his seventies who was pushed down by a cop during one of the BLM marches. I saw the blood trickle from his ear seconds after his head hit the pavement.
I knew that it was not good.
He was hospitalized for sometime (iirc)
Ilsa
(64,363 posts)A stroke would explain the fall, longer hospitalization, etc.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)I am wondering why some nurse hasn't already leaked the info to the public????????
Ilsa
(64,363 posts)It's too easy to find out who the leakers are with an investigation.
I wouldn't do it, and I think at some point McConnell's spokesperson needs to give a real update and allow doctors to take questions. They may be waiting to see if he improves over the next few days so they can maintain medical privacy.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)Look at how the Dr's and Nurses covered up amount of care and what lengths the went to in saving Trump's ass......
It was only revealed much later, just how grave his condition was while he was in Walter Reed?????
All of his Dr.'s were military and didn't dare say anything but what they were told to say. The one Dr. spoke later and was either demoted or kicked out of the medical corps??????
My thinking is that in his frail condition and the fact that he is on blood thinners that he has a brain bleed, and that it doesn't look good, or that they are keeping him on life support????????
I guess time will tell.........who would the Republicans replace him with as their Senate leader.????.
And they would need to make it quick in just replacing him, because they would be at a disadvantage not having his vote......
BSdetect
(9,048 posts)Kingofalldems
(40,276 posts)Was the fall in the dining room or somewhere else?
leftieNanner
(16,159 posts)But can't we make up something lewd and spread rumors?
Kingofalldems
(40,276 posts)machoneman
(4,128 posts)Ilsa
(64,363 posts)NJCher
(43,161 posts)except death's door.
Or maybe his Viagra prescription bottle, which he has trouble opening.
Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)Codifer
(1,205 posts).... she has a balcony you could do Shakespeare from.
Conjuay
(3,067 posts)the doctor slapped his ass has been lewd.
In fact, it wouldnt surprise me if everyone in the delivery room took a swing.
I am not much of a fan
Boomerproud
(9,291 posts)with big donors and going to cocktail parties in Georgetown. Do they work? Not much.
Kingofalldems
(40,276 posts)Boomerproud
(9,291 posts)No doubt about it.
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)basically, we have the best politicians that money can buy......no kidding......
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,122 posts)sure enough the lies & innuendos would pop up in the MSM.
robbob
(3,750 posts)Disgusting. And even more disgusting that the Fox scum who gleefully spread these rumours are never held to account
EYESORE 9001
(29,725 posts)but recent photos made me wonder if he was on blood thinners. A concussion would raise the possibility of subdural hematoma, or possibly epidural hematoma, which can be acutely life-threatening. Well probably never know the truth, regardless.
Kingofalldems
(40,276 posts)Not always but quite often.
ShazzieB
(22,582 posts)I had open heart surgery in 2018 to replace my aortic valve, and was on a blood thinner for a dew weeks afterwards. While I was in rehab after my hospital stay, a very inept phlebotomist tried in vain to extract a blood sample one morning and my hand was left bruised all over like that fro her numerous fruitless needle sticks. It looked terrible.
When my doctor came by to see me later, he took one look at my bruises, had a fit, and promptly drew the needed blood sample himself.
He was pissed, and I'm sure he complained to someone. People often have trouble finding my veins (they're small and love to hide), but I have never been bruised like that, before or since, no matter how many times they had to stick me.
All of which is just to say, the bruises you can get when you are on blood thinners look WAY worse than "normal" ones. I'd bet anything those bruises on Mitch's hand were caused by needle sticks, like mine.
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targetpractice
(4,919 posts)And, concussions are serious... basically your brain bounces around in the skull. I'm sure he's had CT and MRI scans looking for brain injury
C Moon
(13,642 posts)that left him with a slight limp.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/09/us/politics/mitch-mcconnell-hospitalized-washington.html
Separate article on falls:
Fallsthey dont seem like a big deal, but they are. As our population continues to live longer and longer, falls are becoming the great plague of the modern era, wrote Jeremy Faust in Slate in 2016, after Leonard Cohen felland then died. They are the leading cause of accidental death in the elderly, and the incidence has increased steadily over the past decade. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention fact sheet warns that the country is on track to experience seven deaths by falling every hour.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)And elderly are more apt to break an arm or hip. Falling on his head, sounds more like a stroke.
Omnipresent
(7,450 posts)Hopefully, this doesnt somehow leads to Rick Scott becoming minority leader.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)machoneman
(4,128 posts)jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)Since the governor is a Dem he could appoint a strong Dem to the Senate who would then have a head start in a special election.
wnylib
(26,008 posts)to replace McConnell.
But, since the governor is a Dem, I think he should honor McConnell by using a very McConnell type of tactic. Leave the office of Senator open until the next election in order to "let the voters decide." That was McConnell's excuse for leaving the SCOTUS seat open when Garland was nominated as a justice.
Or, pick a Dem, have him/her register as a Republican, and appoint them. It's what Mitch would do in the same situation.
Old Crank
(7,073 posts)The governor still appoints a new senstor but from a picklist provided by the legislature.
crim son
(27,552 posts)My 85-year-old father passed out while standing up in the bathroom. He was not conscious when he went down, and did some major damage to his face. He has a hearth arrhythmia. He was taken to the emergency room, released within a few hours and is slowly recovering with no evidence of long-term damage.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)But who knows?
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)We keep hearing he will be out in a few days. Yesterday- they said that again and said he is walking.
Therapy usually makes you get out of bed - so hes walking doesnt give us much info.
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)Of falling but if he hit his head on something solid he is lucky to be alive,
malaise
(296,085 posts)He already has an awkward balance
True Blue American
(18,579 posts)From what I read he hit his head on something. He could have internal bleeding, especially if he is on blood thinners.
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)one of the questions my doctor asks me is if I have fallen down.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)"Not when I am sober."
Mr.Bill
(24,906 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)C Moon
(13,642 posts)spooky3
(38,632 posts)dembotoz
(16,922 posts)a few months prior i had sat on an antique piano stool that broke and so i fell
no bumps no bruises but technically i fell.
So i was labeled a fall risk and what a pain in the ass that was
special wrist band whole 9 yards.....
Kali
(56,829 posts)iemanja
(57,757 posts)People fall.
C Moon
(13,642 posts)PCIntern
(28,365 posts)If Bill Frist could do it, well, so can I.
If I had to make a guess, I would say that he did not trip and fall. He may have had a condition which caused him to pass out and fall and hit his head. He clearly has some issue medically of a moderate to severe nature based upon his photographs and his coloration. Often times for example, when people discuss the events leading up to a breaking of their hip they relate a story that they fell, and their hip broke. This is often not the case inasmuch as the persons hip spontaneously fractures, and the person goes down.
If I were celebrity or politician, and wanted to hide a more serious situation as it evolved, I would Have my publicist put out there that I fell and hit my head, which may be one aspect of this case, but certainly not the entire story.
And if you wish to believe that he in fact, simply fell and hurt himself, if he has a significant underlying condition at his age, his reserve and recovery is going to be somewhat compromised by his ongoing physical status.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)He had polio as a kid and still walks with a limp as an after effect. He uses the rails when entering the Senate chamber. All this combined with age leads one to think he tripped and fell.
Ms. Toad
(38,635 posts)as something which develops decades after polio. That includes muscle weakness, so not only a limp from the time of polio on - but more recent muscle weakness from post-polio syndrome. One of the consequences of post-polio syndrome is an increased risk of falling.
crim son
(27,552 posts)My mother had polio as a child and was paralyzed for about a month. She recovered... a miracle... but in her late seventies developed the post-polio syndrome. She was no longer able to walk up or downstairs and yes, was prone to falls.
Ms. Toad
(38,635 posts)But the sister of a childhood friend did. So it's closer than I would like.
robbob
(3,750 posts)Good times
LiberalArkie
(19,798 posts)maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)He's probably being "monitored" and tested for a stroke.
If his "spokespeople" want to give an update, they can.
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,122 posts)that notices this. These very good and respectful points you made have never stopped faux news in the past when it comes to Democratic leaders, and then unfortunately their lies/innuendos show up in MSN.
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,122 posts)Love that line from Treasure of the Sierra Madre: "Badges? We ain't got no badges! We don't need no badges! I don't have to show you any stinking badges!"
Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)Why invent "speculations" that are not in evidence.
I don't wish to be like "them."
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,122 posts)lies, "I'm just askin'", and innuendos about Mitch? Certainly if it were a Democratic leader or their family (Paul Pelosi) that suffered an incident like this, it would be blanketing the airways, starting with faux. I do see a GLARING inequity here, and that's what I'm pointing out. I'm sure I'm not the only one that notices.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,361 posts)Look, I don't like the guy, but here's some facts. Right up there in your face ^^^
Here's some more to think about. He had polio as a kid, and may, in his old age, have developed some post-polio syndrome that could cause gait problems and could have caused him to fall. Plus, older people are just more prone to fall, period. I am pushing 80 and worry about it; my balance can be a little suspect at times because I walk around on an ankle that I was never able to get repaired because of insurance problems. It ain't that hard to fall, people. If you're elderly and on blood thinners, even something as simple as aspirin, or some arthritis meds, that can cause some real problems if you hit your head, like a subdural or epidural hematoma (which IIRC was what killed Bob Saget). As for the bruising y'all noticed on his hands earlier on, we older folks, especially those of the fair-skinned Anglo-Saxon variety, tend to have thin skin and likely thin, fragile blood vessels too. I've always joked that I can bruise if someone gives me a hard look, but it's absolutely true that every Tuesday and Friday when I go herd cats at the shelter, I come home with bruises that I have no idea how I got.
Sure, he's lucky he gets top-notch medical care. And two and a half weeks ago, when I went to urgent care with bronchitis and was sent to ER because of hypotension and hypoxia, I was lucky I did too. (Of course I chose to go to Augusta instead of RMH because I knew better, but that's beside the point.) So I'm inclined to give ol' McTurtle a little grace right now. When he's back to work that will be another story.
*Stepping off soapbox now*
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,122 posts)any medical question/issues having to do with Democrats, spreads shit/lies/innuendos. Faux makes it their main "news story" which always seem to seep into the MSM.
My big question is: where is all the "news" about Mitch. Sure he deserves privacy and respect, we all deserve it - it's the law. Our Democratic leaders deserve it. But no - when Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked w/a hammer, FAUX spread some horrible rumors - just nasty.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,361 posts)So let's not go there. Do you want everyone to act like that just because THEY did?
maxsolomon
(38,711 posts)Such a loss, such a great musician and human.
malaise
(296,085 posts)He is a childhood polio survivor
spinbaby
(15,389 posts)Any one of us would be booted out of the hospital by now. He gets to stay for observation just in case.
Renew Deal
(85,145 posts)It's not clear to me if he has protection since he's the minority leader.
Which hopefully means he got care right away.
Sogo
(7,191 posts)But, as others have noted, there are likely other complicating factors, such as a stroke. But it could just be lessened mobility due to age and the fact that he had polio when he was young. I have a BIL who falls a lot. No reason other than he's older now and misses curbs, etc.
Kennah
(14,578 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)Sogo
(7,191 posts)Thanks!
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)stage left
(3,306 posts)picturing all four legs waving helplessly.
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FalloutShelter
(14,462 posts)Short hospitalization.. possible lingering or permanent damage.. hence lack of information?
Just my guess.
Sneederbunk
(17,488 posts)shanti
(21,799 posts)Hit his head getting out of bed, and was gone within a few hours. Since he had a DNR in place and was already technically in hospice due to lung cancer (at home), nobody was called. Mother was a RN and she was with him to the end.
I have osteoporosis and am extremely fearful of a fall at 67.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)I take a blood thinner. I think Mitch does too, judging from the black and blue marks on him.
I had a brain bleed and a concussion. I spent four days in the hospital. When I went home, I was still unsteady on my feet for about a week. I didn't drive. I fell in the beauty shop.
Yes, one can be hospitalized for a concussion. I had nausea and trouble eating. I don't remember everything that happened. I think what happened to him is very much like what happened to me.
Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Thought I was dying - kept my head tucked in. Luckily I only demolished my shoulder & cut my face and ER sent me home and scheduled my surgery for 8 days later. Had a reverse shoulder replacement but although I hit my head, only a slight concussion.
Was told - we know your shoulder is broken - see you next week. I didnt get the important person treatment.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)I guess you are not as important as the turtle. I hope you are okay now.
ImNotGod
(1,194 posts)ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)his grave?
LiberalLovinLug
(14,685 posts)The days and days of deifying him will be nauseating. The big three, CNN, I'll bet even MSNBC will have a time slot to find a couple of things they can sing his praises for. How he's "sacrificed" so much as a "servant" to the Republic with decades of public service. How much he has accomplished during his time in the Senate. Blah Blah Blah.
samsingh
(18,426 posts)onenote
(46,139 posts)Member of the House and Senate pay for health insurance, albeit with subsidies covering more than half of the cost.
You must get your information from Fox News.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/members-congress-health-care/
gopiscrap
(24,733 posts)rateyes
(17,460 posts)Just sayin!
bpj62
(1,067 posts)The Kentucky Legislature passed a law stating that any congressional appointment due to death, retirement or explusion has to come from the same party. In addition the Kentucky Legislature gets to create the list of potential successors and then gives it to the governor. The bill was vetoed by the current democratic governor but since Kentucky has a republican super majority in the legislature they simply overrode the veto. McConnell backed the bill, after all he knows all about holding up nominees to get what he wants.
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)And apparently not following laws that already exist. Why is this ok?
DFW
(60,182 posts)DFW
(60,182 posts)They should have made him sit down before telling him that Ted Cruz said El Paso was 800 miles from the Mexican border.
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)The lack of information leads to speculation.
louis-t
(24,618 posts)He was probably on blood thinners. And if he were a Dem, they would be speculating about his gay lover attacking him.
Iggo
(49,927 posts)Watch your step, Grandpa.
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)Do you?
He is an aging racist republican fascist. The only thing important to him is winning his personal battles, the country be damned.
Whether or not he returns to the senate is irrelevant. Whoever replaces him will be chosen by republcans (the governor can't do it) and likely to be no better than any other old white guy with a gop lapel pin.
So the best thing that can happen politically is a long abscense from the senate. At least it removes one bad vote.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)But I am sure the Republicans will make up some way that he is allowed to vote from his bed.....even if he is unconscious and on life support.
If he was/is on life support, it would give the Republicans lots of time to figure out what they were going to do, rather than making some shoot from the hip decisions.....
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)The house did allow proxy voting during covid, but I'm not sure the senate did.
I'm pretty sure you have to be there to vote.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)ashredux
(2,928 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,235 posts)Ilsa
(64,363 posts)blood on the floor, and although she said she didn't lose consciousness, we don't really know for sure. I called an ambulance for her. I brought her home five hours later after her tests were done and her scalp stitched up.
patphil
(9,065 posts)Democratic Governor Andrew Beshear would appoint a replacement from a list of 3 possible candidates provided by the leaders of the State Republican party.
I don't know what would happen if he decided he didn't like any of them and refused to make a choice. I don't know how long he could stall the process.
BumRushDaShow
(169,729 posts)By Manu Raju, CNN Chief Congressional Correspondent
Published 2:14 PM EST, Fri March 10, 2023
CNN Senate GOP Leader Mitch McConnell is lobbying virtually everyone he sees at the hospital for his release and is acting like his usual self, according to a senior adviser who has spent much of the past two days with him.
Josh Holmes, a top McConnell political adviser, told CNN that McConnell has been urging hospital staff to let him go, though hes remained there for observation since Wednesday night after falling and hitting his head during a dinner at the Waldorf Astoria hotel. Doctors are treating him for a concussion.
Holmes told CNN that McConnell is acting normally and is eager to get out. When Holmes entered the room, McConnells first question: Did you meet with the candidates today, referring to potential Senate candidates. The Kentucky Republican also got a briefing from his chief of staff, Sharon Soderstrom, about the Thursday conference lunch that he missed. At the lunch, Alaskan halibut was served courtesty of Sen. Lisa Murkowski. Im sorry I missed the halibut, McConnell said.
McConnell has been responding to colleagues but he has been forced to limit screen time because of concussion protocol. A person familiar with the matter said that McConnell has no visible wounds from the fall.
(snip)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/10/politics/mitch-mcconnell-update-hospitalization/index.html
A lot of spin that was NOT afforded to MY Senator John Fetterman, who was trashed, bashed, slashed, dashed and left for dead (including from some on DU), with the media then focusing on "sick Democrats" but not "sick Republicans".
kskiska
(27,165 posts)blue neen
(12,465 posts)1000%.
Have we heard any cocaine-fueled diatribes from Trump, Jr. about McConnell's hospitalization? No, but he couldn't shut up his hateful and ugly mouth about Fetterman.
LudwigPastorius
(14,723 posts)If youre on Coumadin and you hit your head hard enough for a concussion, chances are youve got bleeding in the brain.
It would be treated with a clotting agent, but that would open him up to an ischaemic stroke.
progressoid
(53,179 posts)Yes, they are funny. Also if similar things were said about a Dem it would be decried here as ageist.
Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)kimbutgar
(27,248 posts)The TFG hates his guts and I wouldnt put it past one his supporters intentionally or ?accidentally? Causing him injury.
Bird Lady
(1,996 posts)when it kills him.
ananda
(35,141 posts)???
no_hypocrisy
(54,903 posts)that is, a blood clot, from the blow to his head. Might require anticoagulants or surgery.
Wibly
(613 posts)I swear, some of you sound as bad or worse than the Republicans.
The man is in his 80s. Get a concussion in your 80s and it can lead to all sorts of problems.
It is not unusual for a healthy person to be held for a few days after experiencing a concussion, let alone a man in his 80s who is high up in government.
It is also not unusual for families of such people to request privacy and respect while they deal with such a situation.
And it would not be out of the ordinary for the GOP to want to keep the well being of one of its leaders under wraps until such times as they can know themselves how he is doing.
Dems are always demanding respect, how about showing some?
I dislike McConnell as much as any of you, and think he is a pox on your nation, but he is also an old man who has just had a bad fall and it really is not your business why he's being held in hospital for a couple days.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)McConnell is a prominent public figure not just any old man.
The public has a right to know about his condition.
Biden fell off a bike and it was nonstop. He hurt his foot and that was nonstop.
McConnell
. crickets.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)Jilly_in_VA
(14,361 posts)just because we're from the other side. Geez, people. Grow the hell up.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)We have no control over media coverage but I do have an opinion about it.
McConnell and Republicans in general deserve equal treatment by the media.
Period.
Jilly_in_VA
(14,361 posts)some of the people on this thread are behaving like nasty schoolkids. Please do better.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)instead of singling me out.
Dont bother responding youre now blocked.
nini
(16,830 posts)Respect is earned and he chose to play along with fascist trump - so nope.
brettdale
(12,748 posts)Headine would be "Mitch's Gay fentanyl selling Lover..."
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)Backseat Driver
(4,671 posts)DH fell forward on ice several years ago...broke his humerus near the shoulder without head injury, loss of consciousness or concussion. Two days later his arm and hand was black and blue down to the fingertips. At that point, he saw a doctor and was off work in a sling for 4 wks and some physical therapy for another two.
I don't think this is the first time McConnell has fallen; don't think it will be the last time. Likely had some complications to what was first described, technically a traumatic brain injury after a fall, much like those rough and tough NFL players who get their heads knocked about a few times. Recall the skier, Liam Neeson's wife, Natasha Richardson, who actually died after her insistence to avoid medical attention after a head injury fall on a beginner slope that turned out more dangerous than it first appeared.
The Turtle probably needs to think about wearing a nice soft helmet during daily waking hours barring other ailments.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,782 posts)This will not be seen on Fox.....

KY......
peggysue2
(12,531 posts)And that the man was being held for observation. He's what, 82? Makes sense at that age.
malaise
(296,085 posts)peggysue2
(12,531 posts)Haven't read or heard anything different. McConnell hasn't looked well for quite some time. Remember all the bruises on his hands last year? I thought sure he was failing at that point, and then he pushed for limiting Beshear in KY from appointing a replacement if a US Senator (maybe rep, too) was incapacitated and could no longer serve. He wanted to make sure only a Republican would fill the seat.
But McConnell defied predictions. The Turtle is stronger than he looks. Age is a factor, of course. If indeed it is a concussion and the jolt was severe, it could easily incapacitate.