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(26,848 posts)area51
(12,689 posts)Carlitos Brigante
(26,848 posts)Archae
(47,245 posts)Kennedy is a wack job.
dchill
(42,660 posts)womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)He is a democrat.
dchill
(42,660 posts)pnwmom
(110,257 posts)If he does it I think it will be as third party.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Ive seen no talk of third party. Many Trumpers not so hot on Trump anymore - at least on Twitter.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)They're trying to help Trump by disrupting the Democratic party.
And they are thrilled that they can do it with a guy who compared the Biden administration to Hitler's Germany; and people affected by vaccine mandates to Anne Frank.
Cha
(318,992 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)He's worse than I thought....
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)read the quotes....
Well, with 11 children, there are bound to be some black sheep....
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)any more...
FalloutShelter
(14,458 posts)RockRaven
(19,335 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)pandr32
(14,262 posts)sheshe2
(97,575 posts)nonononononononnononononononononononononononononononononononononononononono
Journeyman
(15,446 posts)if enough of of you back me, and I can get some money from my Mom, I'll ask her at lunch tomorrow.
Just what the country needs, another irresolute clown who can't make up his own mind, running for the one office where everyday decisions require a determined consistency to ensure success.
Bev54
(13,429 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(178,984 posts)roamer65
(37,952 posts)LoisB
(13,009 posts)think - I know I wouldn't).
bottomofthehill
(9,387 posts)I dont think his father or uncle would vote for him. He is an ass
LoisB
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SheltieLover
(80,410 posts)Laffy Kat
(16,950 posts)Just A Box Of Rain
(5,104 posts)I volunteered on his father's 1968 campaign (largely stuffing envelopes) when I was a 10 year old and his murder still causes me pain, so I can only imagine the trauma inflicted on his children.
Nevertheless, I have less-than-zero desire to see RFK Jr making a run for office of any kind.
No.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,707 posts)Someone tell her that those words don't mean what she seems to think they mean.
bottomofthehill
(9,387 posts)I actually think Nina sucks worse than Robert Kennedy, but they both SUCK
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)SheltieLover
(80,410 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)SheltieLover
(80,410 posts)Did you have your surgery? Last I saw, you had breathing concerns & surgery was delayed.
SheltieLover
(80,410 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,571 posts)But I bet he'd wish he could.
whathehell
(30,462 posts)to pardon Sirhan Sirhan?
JenniferJuniper
(4,571 posts)Supports his parole.
whathehell
(30,462 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,571 posts)Didn't pull the trigger and has done enough time in prison
You'd think Trump would want this nut as his running mate. Seeing as JFK Jr. is still in hiding.
whathehell
(30,462 posts)To my recollection, the RFK assassination didn't generate the same level of "2nd guessing", if you will, as that of JFK, so I'm not sure how widespread the belief in Sirhan's innocence is.
Like most, I find his Anti-vaxx stance off-putting and weird, but I don't know enough about his other positions to assume he's an all- out nutcase.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)time; the last flame of hope for many people snuffed out, especially after losing Dr King.
A lot of the country was thrown into a depressive mood (if you weren't around yet or way too young I can tell you it was so devasting - find a documentary on his funeral train from NYC to DC; you'll see) that a certain amount of people didn't follow the questionable aspects that normally might have.
I did later on. Paul Schaeder a big Labour Leader in California who was with the entourage right near Bobby (and seriously injured) did a lot of research.
What stuck for me was more bullets holes in the Ambassador Hotel kitchen pantry walls then what Sirhan's gun had capacity for.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)He was recently on a podcast saying Pres Kennedy hated the CiA because they kept pushing him to get into wars. RKJ said President Kennedy wished the CIA did not exist and fired all the top CIA people. There was an internal war between the military industrial complex and President Kennedy. The CIA was trying to push him into a land war in Vietnam & Laos and he was opposed to a land war in those countries. I read that he compromised and put troops on the border of Laos.
When Kennedy was running for President, he was in a small parade in NYC in an open convertible. I saw him accidentally because the street I wanted to cross was blocked. About 20 businessmen and young pretty me were waiting to cross - when he waved at us none of the business men waved back but I waved like crazy and so he looked at me and we waved to each other.
whathehell
(30,462 posts)He's not alone in that theory...Like many, if not most alive at the time, I never believed the Warren Commission and still don't. At this point, sadly, I'm not sure we will ever know the truth.
I too saw JFK campaigning in my neighborhood back in the day, though I can't say I got a "personal" wave..Lucky you.
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electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)haele
(15,385 posts)I don't think he'll run as a Republican or Libertarian, but you never know.
He can't make it through a Democratic Primary. Maybe a Green. I also think his Kennedy name won't have as much cache as that of the other political Kennedys before him.
Haele
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)SheltieLover
(80,410 posts)Bleacher Creature
(11,504 posts)I probably have a better chance at achieving my goal than that antivax lunatic.
brush
(61,033 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(32,116 posts)Your ego will ruin your family name.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,716 posts)DET
(2,496 posts)Democrats wont vote for him because of his opposition to vaccines, and Republicans wont vote for him because of his (or at least his familys) liberal positions. This would be a completely futile endeavor. I have no idea why he wants to do this and why he thinks he could win.
brush
(61,033 posts)Something is wrong upstairs with that Kennedy.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Deminpenn
(17,503 posts)It's too bad because he was, and still is, doing good work for the environment.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Deminpenn
(17,503 posts)Don't know if he's still involved with it, but he founded River Keepers or some similar organization.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)Been doing environmental work for 40 yrs. He is the main lawyer taking on Monsantos Roundup cancer cases. RFK Jr & his team represented a couple who were poisoned by glyphosate. The couple were recently awarded 2 billion dollars and he also won $290 million for Dwaine Johnson - 42 yr old black father of two young kids who had an accident with Roundup as a groundskeeper. He has terminal cancer. There are thousands of lawsuits. Monsanto/Bayer has put up ten billion to try to pay off some injured to have fewer lawsuits.
He has taken on around 200 corporations and gov agencies.
He just visited East Palestine to give an educational seminar- spoke to the people and has taken on 600 East Palestine residents as clients. He will probably get them all millions because he works at Americas largest personal injury law firm. Wednesday his team filed a class action lawsuit against Norfolk Southern in the Northern District Court of Ohio.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)use the Democratic Party to run on your family name. No one cares about the Kennedys these days. Ted Kennedy redeemed himself and he ran in Massachusetts too...this guy no. I honestly thought he had left the party with some of his statements
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)if you give a damn about the environment you don't run against an incumbent president unless the goal is to help the GOP get back in power. Two, I don't believe a word he says...I heard and read his pro-GOP statements...he is an anti-vaxer too.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Meowmee
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Thumbs down. His top priority will be to make sure no one can get vaccinated for anything ever again among other insane crap.
lapfog_1
(31,902 posts)or maybe it was Sinema. One of them.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)We do not need a conspiracy theorist who spreads rampant disinformation on the ballot.
Tommy Carcetti
(44,494 posts)And ruing how he besmirches his fathers good name.
GGoss
(1,273 posts)Robert, you're no Bobby Kennedy.
Hotler
(13,747 posts)hatrack
(64,861 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,198 posts)pnwmom
(110,257 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,198 posts)jcgoldie
(12,046 posts)Democrats aren't going to support him for obvious reasons so who will?
liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)I don't think there is much concern here. He won't be able to get the democratic nomination, so he'd have to run 3rd party.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)He was named one of Times Magazines Heros for the Planet Awards for his work in cleaning up the Hudson River.. His group Riverkeeper launched 222 Waterkeeper organizations around the world.
He was president of Waterkeeper Alliance for 20 yrs - up until 2020.
liberal_mama
(1,495 posts)Maybe I will check out some of his books. My local library carries a bunch of them for kindle lending.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)and said even Anne Frank was better off, because she could hide in an attic?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/23/politics/robert-f-kennedy-nazi-germany-offensive-anti-vaccine-speech/index.html
At a rally against vaccine mandates in Washington, DC, on Sunday, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. likened vaccine policies in the US to the actions of a totalitarian state, even suggesting Anne Frank was in a better situation when she was hiding from the Nazis.
Even in Hitler Germany (sic), you could, you could cross the Alps into Switzerland. You could hide in an attic, like Anne Frank did, said Kennedy, a prominent anti-vaccine advocate, in a speech at the Lincoln Memorial. I visited, in 1962, East Germany with my father and met people who had climbed the wall and escaped, so it was possible. Many died, true, but it was possible.
Kennedys historically inaccurate anti-Semitic remark ignores the fact that Frank and some 6 million other Jews were murdered by Nazis. Frank, who was a teenager at the time, hid in an attic in the Netherlands, not Germany, before she was caught and was sent to a concentration camp, where she died.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)was able to escape to another country.
He's no Democrat.
Kid Berwyn
(24,346 posts)If Bobby is the nominee, Ill vote for him.
Until then, though, Im all in for Joe B.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,346 posts)
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his sister Rory Kennedy told Charlie Rose that their father, the Attorney General of the United States, Robert F. Kennedy, believed there was a conspiracy behind the death of his brother, President John F. Kennedy. For the first time in almost 50 years, members of the slain president's family were about their father's thoughts about the assassination.
(ARCHIVE) https://web.archive.org/web/20130114120047/https://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57563645/rfk-jr-dad-believed-warren-commission-shoddy/
The story made news, as it were, for a day or two -- it was on page 8 here in Detroit (try finding it using The Free Press or Detroit News web site search engines) -- and apart from several threads on DU, that's about it as coverage goes. The Charlie Rose interview was part of a program put together by the media and good people in Dallas to celebrate JFK's life.
What bothers me about the media coverage is the constant attack, not on the government's lousy investigation of the assassination and its attendant cover-up, but, rather, the attack on anyone who brings up the subject of conspiracy in the death of the president, even when it's children of attorney general who also was the brother of the slain president.
Check out this condescending piece of opinion from the Dallas Observer:
Not Even Charlie Rose Could Rein in RFK Jr. in Dallas Last Night. Also: Conspiracy Theories!
By Betsy Lewis Sat., Jan. 12 2013 at 11:01 AM
It got weird when he went into a historical lecture about his father's investigation into the JFK assassination. He was speaking about it as if he had been part of it, then cited a book called The Unspeakable by Jim Douglas (sic - actually "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" by James Douglass) as being the best book on the subject, then kept referencing things from the book. He was losing the audience, so he burst out, "My father believed that the Warren Report was a shoddy piece of craftsmanship," to the delighted applause of the mostly Baby Boomer audience.
Whenever Charlie Rose would ask about the family, RFK Jr. would evade the question until he heard either delighted Boomer applause or delighted Boomer laughter. One of his responses to a family question was an unrelated story about World War II. A lady behind me who must have recently Netflixed The Iron Lady kept saying, "Here here!" for the benefit of us unfortunate people around her.
Some of the strangest RFK Jr. outbursts with the biggest applause were:
"We're becoming a national security state!" (applause, "Here here!" ) .
"Corporations want profits!" (applause, "Here here!" ) .
"Corporations are great things, but we'd be nuts to let them run our government!" (applause, "Here here!" ) .
"Nationalism in Africa! The end of colonialism!"
At this point, I don't think anyone knew what the hell he was talking about. It was something about the Kennedy family airlifting President Obama's father out of Kenya to begin a new life in America.
RFK Jr.: "Yes."
CONTINUED...
(OLD) http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/mixmaster/2013/01/charlie_rose_live_the_kennedy.php
(ARCHIVED) https://web.archive.org/web/20130115215556/https://blogs.dallasobserver.com/mixmaster/2013/01/charlie_rose_live_the_kennedy.php
Me, I don't believe any of that stuff was "out there." Why writer Betsy Lewis chooses to believe what the media tell her is true I'll guess lies in allegiance to a pay check.
Likewise for the lack of coverage given the story in the national media, where the same few corporations that swore up and down there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, both in 1990 and 2002, now want no part of "conspiracy talk" during the 50th anniversary observance. So far, as far as I'm aware, the Charlie Rose program has not aired.
What's more telling is what didn't get noted in the nation's corrupt mass media at all: The fact that Attorney General and later Senator Robert F. Kennedy also was assassinated. Some think that was a coincidence, because the mass media told them so. One thing's for certain, the questions still surrounding the deaths of two liberal icons doesn't get discussed at all today in our supposedly "free press."
Above is a 2013 OP from DU:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10022416498
The original links above now go to the Internet Archive Waybac.
BWTM: Facts curiously missing from American history and any mention of the Warren Commission in corporate media.
Two WC members helped bring NAZIs into mainstream USA.

Two of its members were directly responsible for the rise of post-war fascism. Allen Dulles, as a top official of the OSS and CIA, incorporated NAZI war criminals into the CIA from its founding. John McCloy, as High Commissioner for Germany, allowed Klaus Barbie, Alfred Krupp, eight members of his board, and who-knows-who-else to escape justice. Of course, Dulles and McCloy also were barons of Wall Street and Beltway Insiders, at the heart of the military industrial complex. We all can see what that means for the United States today.
Background:
The American who let the Nazis rebuild Germany
https://thecritic.co.uk/issues/november-2021/the-american-who-let-the-nazis-rebuild-germany/
CIA and NAZI War Criminals
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/index.htm
So, thats why I stand with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and not the CIA or some random flock of smear artists on the Internet.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)tired.
(a "teaser" [bc I couldn't follow it further back] post seemingly saying RFK called out the Warren Commission?!)
Ten yrs old in '63, 15 in '68. At 10 I knew what happened was bad, but not why as in what we would be missing till later on as I learned and understood more.
In '68 I knew what we had lost. 😔
These things I've followed off & on for decades.
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As for RFK Jr I'm glad he's still doing environmental lawyer work. I heard him in person way before his vaccine pov changed.
Respectfully his anti-vaxxing crusade seriously endangers people's lives. Many people like myself who've become older. I sure had all my covid vaxs & maxes. It's a no go for me. Besides I think Prs Biden has turned out to be quite impressive. He was not my first choice.
RFK Jr 's become a very complicated person, and that's a shame.
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Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,346 posts)I was there. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. was addressing a group at Wayne State University in Detroit. He said the Iraq wars for oil were sold to America on lies. He said Bush Sr. lied America into the first and Bush 2 and Cheney were responsible for lying America into the second, an illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous war. He also said almost all the Republicans in power at the time were corrupt, as about 2/3 of the Democrats in office. He endorsed Obama and he said Antonio Scalias father belonged to a fascist organization during World War 2 and that the Associate Justice Scalia was a NAZI.
The speech didnt get much news coverage. But RFK, Jr. was right on all of it.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)Apparently he sees Nazi Germany everywhere.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)anti-vaxer and an all-around jerk who colludes with the GOP...I honestly thought he had left the party.
electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Fascism. I believe it was never translated.
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*Or was only published in Italian in Italy.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)Hell get nowhere.
Kid Berwyn
(24,346 posts)He represents those who need a lawyer.
For those interested in learning for themselves, Ring of Fire radio/podcast:
https://www.podcasts.com/ring-of-fire-radio-with-sam-seder-robert-f.-kennedy-jr.-and-mike-papantonio-18
Sky Jewels
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Even his own family is distancing themselves from this loon.
womanofthehills
(10,988 posts)He just announced he & his team will be representing 600 East Palestine residents against Northern. Because of his history of winning hundreds of lawsuits again corporations, big pharma and gov agencies we know each of these 600 people will probably get at least a million but thats a no win if you no longer have your health.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)and nothing else he does makes that okay -- or makes it okay that he's trying to toss the election to Trump or Desantis by acting as a spoiler.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)But this guy has a HUGE negative side that wipes out a lot of the good he has done or tries to do.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)who are crackpots, there are lawyers who are crackpots.
Having a credential doesn't make you a non-crackpot.
pnwmom
(110,257 posts)I doubt that he'll even run as a Dem. If he runs it would be as a spoiler.
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)ShazzieB
(22,577 posts)His antivax (i.e. antiscience) stance and relentless promotion of same is all I need to know about him. I don't even care what he thinks about anything else.
If he were president and another pandemic reared its ugly head, we'd all be doomed. There'd be no vaccine, almost everyone would get it, and old folks like me and my husband would die like flies, along with anyone whose immune system wasn't in tip top shape. FUCK that, and FUCK RFK Jr. And his antivax b.s.!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(135,627 posts)tritsofme
(19,896 posts)What a disgrace to his family.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)Im sure Putin will back your candidacy, so youve got that going for you.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)No way, nada, zilch, zero chance Id support him.
NickB79
(20,345 posts)Thanks in part to his support of this completely discredited theory based on fradulent research, we now see disease outbreaks across the US and Europe of viruses we used to have under control. He also worked with Trump on a vaccine awareness and safety group, which was absolute horseshit.
He was particularly aggressive in preying on Somali immigrant families here in Minnesota, going so far as to come here and take pictures with families of autistic children at a conference where he blamed vaccines for the high rate of autism in the Somali-American population. In reality, there is absolutely zero evidence their autism rates are due to vaccines. Since his visit, we've had severe measles outbreaks in Minneapolis thanks to his "work".
In short, he's scum who has caused vast amounts of suffering, both by providing false hope to desperate families, and convincing families to not protect their children from potentially lethal diseases. I'd bet money that his anti-vax advocacy has directly led to multiple dead children, which makes him a murderer in my eyes.
Tommy Carcetti
(44,494 posts)Cha
(318,992 posts)Eric Clapton..
Virulently anti-vax Eric Clapton tests positive for COVID
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217731907
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)I worship the memory of your father....
Whatever good you might have accomplished in your life,
you have thrown away by promoting sundry anti-vaccination conspiracy theories
which make no sense at all.
Your father had very compelling reasons to challenge an incumbent president of his own party.
Your uncle also had what he thought were compelling reasons to do the same,
as well as a grass-roots of the party that were attempting to draft him to a candidacy.
You have nothing but an ideology that will lead to the deaths of people for no good reason.
NO. DO NOT RUN!
You don't have any such compelling reason to challenge someone who has been a very good president!
All you will accomplish is to become a stain on the name of your father,
whose name you happen to share.
DFW
(60,169 posts)He was a class under me, but we used to hang out at recess. Our dads were pretty fast friends. We lost touch after his uncle was killed, and he went to another school.
We got back in touch during his Ring of Fire days, and I suspect he had a had a hand in my younger daughter getting admitted to Pace Law, though he never said so. I saw him briefly at her graduation (2010), but that was the last time. He used to teach environmental law there.
He certainly seems to have gone off the deep end since (he wouldn't be the first of my old friends to do that). Too bad. I think he meant well initially, just got totally waylaid be either the wrong people or the wrong set of propaganda (or both).
Bobby running for POTUS is to be taken about as seriously as him running for Sultan of Brunei, and I say so sadly, as one who used to like him. I have had friends run for president before, whom I take as seriously now as I did then (does the name Howard Dean still ring a bell with anyone?). As for Bobby, I would ask him what Frank Zappa once asked of Suzy Creamcheese: What's got into ya?
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)I received an auto-response saying 'thank you for joining the movement'! LOL
"Bloody hell, NO, I am blocking you!!" was my response.
It is all a sad thing. He was blessed with an incredible name,
but wasted it on anti-vaxx bullshit.
In any case, this was no proper time to test any presidential candidacy,
and there is no good reason to challenge President Joe Biden for re-nomination...
Bobby Jr. is more dead to me, than he was before now....