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over and over why it has taken Merrick Garland these some 800 days to charge trump for the attempted coup the nation saw on national TV.
And that's not including the stolen docs case, which also should've been adjudicated by now also.
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LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)They didn't like the slowness or appearance of delay. But their response seemed reasonable.
Especially letting the states take the lead with the intent of preventing Trump from pardoning them if he got elected again.
The Georgia report was revealing.
OhNo-Really
(3,996 posts)And it worked. So many even here arguing about “Glacial Speed Garland”
When the HUGE story is the
GEORGIA Jury Reveal!!!
Read original article here
https://www.ajc.com/politics/exclusive-behind-the-scenes-of-the-trump-grand-jury/6CXLKTFMKNDU7O6TER4B7UTZPE/
Nicole did open with this story but laced it with Garland frustration.
Love Nicole. She is an employee though!
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)
republianmushroom
(22,326 posts)Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)And reasonable.
The publics belief that they are entitled to the details of a DOJ investigation and have an exact time frame that suits them is the point.
alfredo
(60,301 posts)
Evolve Dammit
(21,777 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)If you believe Harland and Smith are acting responsibly in their investigations, what value is there is her challenging the opinions of people who know nothing more than she does?
Evolve Dammit
(21,777 posts)
Galraedia
(5,331 posts)Anyone else would have been in prison a long time ago.
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)Duppers
(28,469 posts)Upholding the LAW.
BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)x 1000.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)He looked pretty partisan to me!
markodochartaigh
(5,545 posts)Do you mean under Trump, or when Barr told Bush the First to pardon a half dozen of the highest Republicans involved in Iran Contra?
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)even though he was the legal counsel, not the AG at the time.
markodochartaigh
(5,545 posts)Actually Barr was attorney general, though.
https://thetriallawyermagazine.com/2021/07/bill-barr-is-the-master-of-covering-up-political-scandals/
Dave says
(5,425 posts)
Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)Garland built a rock-solid case against McVeigh and Nichols, and it held up. That's the way to do it.
Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)
treestar
(82,383 posts)There can’t be any hint of impropriety.
pirsquared
(77 posts)Actually scared to death of Ginni Thomas.
Duppers
(28,469 posts)To him? Clarence Thomas is but one vote on the Court.
Perhaps I'm not understanding.
Evolve Dammit
(21,777 posts)
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)This is the definition of doing things right.
Tribetime
(7,145 posts)
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)Garland knows (probably better than anyone) that any course of action that does NOT lead to convictions would be an unmitigated disaster. He is determined not to let that happen.
Dave says
(5,425 posts)… neither do you. We don’t know if Garland is doing the right things either. However we do know it has been more than 800 days, more than 2 years, with no actions taken to indict those at top. Very disheartening.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)This is Garland's job description.
Just one of the facts the naysayers choose to disregard.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Ridiculous how long justice is taking
JHC no justice takes this long!!!
It's been 76+ months since hush money payment made to Stormy!
Defense that it all takes time is becoming weaker by the day.
Dave says
(5,425 posts)I took it as the Approximate time since J6. But, yeah, if you start the clock from Stormy’s hush money, or from the Mueller Report, it’s much greater than 800 days.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)front and center? Or was it just on the shelf, awaiting a much bigger group of crimes to indict on? IOW, there is going to be a big group of crimes in indictment ?
Wonderful
calimary
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Enough already.
For Pete’s sake! What in the name of all that’s holy are you waiting for???????
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Evolve Dammit
(21,777 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)After all, Biden picked him, and I tend to trust Biden to do the right thing. Not so sure about this particular choice, though.
OldBaldy1701E
(11,142 posts)The blatant two-tiered justice system. You or I would have been holding down a cot in a jail cell for much less than this orange gibbon has been charged with. Why is he still free? Oh, I answered that already.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)not new in the US judicial system. It's not uncommon at all for felony cases to take years. And it's well known (or should be by now) that if you have the money to pay a team of lawyers, you can drag it out almost indefinitely. Google a few known cases and see how long it took. Hence the phrase, "The wheels of just turn slow."
OldBaldy1701E
(11,142 posts)He is not. Regardless of what either of us did, regardless of how long lawyers may want to drag it out, regardless of the level of felony, I would be in a jail cell and that wealthy fat asshole is not. It has nothing to do with lawyers. If I had the best lawyer, he would still initially be visiting me in a jail cell. Even if he was able to get me out, I would have still been there once they decided I had committed theft, especially of classified documents. Two Tiered System. How truly just. And, yes I am well aware that this is not new. Just as I am aware that this is NOT justice.
LymphocyteLover
(9,847 posts)to Dump, plus the fact that he was a president, no matter how terrible, gives him special status as a legal target, for better or worse
OldBaldy1701E
(11,142 posts)Guess not, huh?
LymphocyteLover
(9,847 posts)
ecstatic
(35,075 posts)It's not just Garland, it's the culture of the DOJ in general which skews right. The DOJ has a duty to protect citizens by upholding law and order, regardless of which administration is in power. Everyone saw what happened on January 6th. Everyone knew that trump incited the mob of insurrectionists that attacked the Capitol. Everyone was horrified, including tfg's own kids. Everyone knew that only trump himself could recall that mob. That alone was enough for an arrest on that very day or at least the next day. Instead, he was allowed to continue in the white house for an additional 2 weeks, leaving the entire country vulnerable to his erratic, desperate behavior, and also allowing the big lie to become further cemented into politics.
The qop is even more lawless now thanks to the DOJ's failure to act in a timely fashion. Women and minorities are less safe now in this country because of what was allowed to flourish after January 6th.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)the next day for what? What do you think Trump could have been arrested AND charged for the next day? And please don't say what "we" saw. There's a grand canyon sized gap in the difference between "what you saw" and what is an actual crime that can be proved in a court of law. You have some kind of inside evidence that Trump was directly tied to the mob? Did he personally break into to the Capitol? You have anything other than an idiot blathering to a mob? See Amendment 1. If what Trump did was worthy of being arrested the next day in your opinion, then how about when Sarah Palin put DEMS in cross-hairs in an add? Should she have been arrested the next day? It wasn't long after that when Gabby Giffords was shot in the head, yet Palin wasn't arrested then either. But wait, "we all saw it." Why wasn't she arrested? So again, exactly what should Trump have been arrested for the next day? And, tell me how you would make that stick and not give Trump a pass to walk for jumping the gun and acting BEFORE you had a case built. Because that is EXACTLY what would happen if the DOJ moved before they got all their ducks in a row. How long is an acceptable time frame for you to build a case based on "what we all saw" involving hundreds of people from all over the country? And newsflash, Trump was allowed 4 years in the WH leaving the entire country vulnerable to his erratic behavior because, HE WAS ELECTED POTUS! Weather we like it or not.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Prosecutors have ethical duties. They have no right to be partisan no matter who the defendant is.
Every year that passes without action, you Merrick Garland defenders look worse and worse. Every year.
homegirl
(1,965 posts)why the service of the warrant was not timed to include the presence of DJT on the premises, his immediate detention and charged immediately. That's what would happen to anyone else!
LymphocyteLover
(9,847 posts)could be it's just very complicated and they want to make sure they tie everything together properly
republianmushroom
(22,326 posts)25 months and counting
bigtree
(94,265 posts)...because she's ignoring the dual grand juries which Garland would be a fool to leap ahead of, or cut off the evidentary process before it's completed.
That's if Garland was actually in charge of this process, instead of the man he hired, Jack Smith. But Whinging Wallace is so gadamn lame she can't even inform her viewers about the actual state of the investigation.
Why is she promoting this made up nonsense about the time taken, and why would anyone expect Garland to leap ahead of the process that's not only underway and ongoing, but reportedly in the end game?
What the fark good is this yammering on about Garland when he's not in control of the process right now, and would be an idiot to interfere to cut it short?
This is dirt-dumbness from Bush's former communication's director.
brush
(61,033 posts)
Fiendish Thingy
(23,240 posts)For the same violations of the Espionage Act Trump violated.
And it took another two years to convict him.
And, Schulte wasn’t a former president;
And, Schulte didn’t have 26 lawyers who were witnesses or co-conspirators, all claiming Executive Privilege or Attorney/Client privilege;
And, Schulte and any witnesses didn’t have hundreds of encrypted devices that take a year+ to hack into (but he had a few).
And, Schulte didn’t conspire to overthrow the US government;
AND…Schulte represented himself in court
So, is 800 days glacial? Under the circumstances, seems like Light Speed to me, especially with the hundreds of insurrectionists also being investigated, tried, and imprisoned.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Things have not really been taking too long for the largest, most sensitive, investigation in our history. It just seems that way.
brush
(61,033 posts)the case play out as it will. At least something will have been put into action — and IMO, damaged trump's presidential chances.
We all know that crook should be in jail. I say let's get the ball rolling and prove it already.
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)No matter how much we might wish otherwise, it just doesn't work that way. You don't indict someone until you're at least reasonably sure you have a strong enough case to convict. I'm not an attorney, but even I know that, just from reading true crime books and closely following a few cases in court.
And again, no matter how many we might wish otherwise, convicting Trump of anything is not going to be anywhere near as easy as we might think, AND anything other than a conviction would be a disaster of huge proportions that he CAN and WILL use to his advantage. That's a risk that I'm sure no prosecutor wants to take.
This HAS to be done RIGHT.
Generic Brad
(14,374 posts)Because those both worked out so well. 
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)were you expecting from those 2 impeachments? They went exactly like I knew they would.
Dave says
(5,425 posts)These are extraordinary circumstances. We’ve never had a President do (purportedly) what we all saw and heard 2 years ago. The above comparison puts things in perspective.
Galraedia
(5,331 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(23,240 posts)That’s at least three and a half years, or approximately 1,275 days
Galraedia
(5,331 posts)From the same wikipedia page you linked to:
So we don't really know if he stole the code and placed it on his public Github account or if the code was taken from his public Github account and later used in the CIA project. However, we do know that he stole backup files from a program called Confluence on April 20, 2016, which is the date I started at.
PufPuf23
(9,855 posts)Too bad the evil-doers did not rob a 7-11 with a butter knife.
Our legal system is overwhelmed and the cascade on the system is to deliberately destroy justice.
The legal system problem is not new but is far worse.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Than it's always been.
bigtree
(94,265 posts)...the imaginary internet investigation record?
There is no parallel to this investigation, so I gotta wonder where folks get this stuff.
Indictments weren't handed down for the “Watergate Seven,” including John Mitchell, H.R. Haldeman and John Ehrlichman, until March 1, 1974, almost two years after the burglars were charged. The equivalent measure of those burglars, or 'foot soldiers,' would be the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers in court right now.
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)Exactly; there is nothing that's even kinda, sorta, almost, a parallel to this! For some reason, people can't seem to grasp that or what a BFD it is to indict a potus (sitting or former) for anything!
But I think we can all rest assured that the people in charge of these investigations (in the states and at the DOJ) have never lost sight of this never will. In fact, I'm sure it hangs very heavily over their heads and will continue to do so every step of the way.
I know how desperately most of us want to see something finally happen publicly, after all this behind the scenes stuff. But doing it RIGHT is more important than doing it FAST, even now, with an election looming next year.
Imo, the only thing worse than Trump never being indicted for anything would be an indictment that doesn't result in a conviction. Just think how he could use something like that to his advantage! It would be like the 2 impeachments that did not result in his removal from office, only orders of magnitude worse.
I know it's hard, but we all need to hold on tight for a little longer. One of these days, the indictments will start coming down like an avalanche on his ugly little straw-colored, combed-over head, and he won't know what hit him!
malaise
(296,116 posts)and every time I watch her I remind myself of that fact
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)To Jeb Bush involved in the 2000 Florida re-count. I remind myself of that too!
malaise
(296,116 posts)Thanks
diverdownjt
(739 posts)That is going to arrest Trump for treason...inciting a riot is on tape. Start there with his speech.
No one in the states can prosecute that so there is zero reason to wait for their indictments.
Get that one going at least let the rest catch up...Maybe Willis is waiting to see the Feds lead the way.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)period who is going to arrest OR charge Trump with treason. May I suggest you read the constitution and discover what Treason is.
Stunning to me that Nicole Wallace has such devotion from ANY DEM. My how memories are short. Disclaimer, I watch her show. And most of the time I find her reasonable. But I watch with skepticism. I haven't forgotten who Nicole Wallace is. Florida Re-count anyone? WMD's in Iraq anyone ? And my all time favorite, the entrance of Sarah Palin on the national stage.
Political career
"Briefly an on-air reporter in California, Wallace started her political career working in California state politics.[13] In 1999, she moved to Florida to serve as Governor Jeb Bush's press secretary and then became the Communications Director for the Florida State Technology Office in 2000.[12] Wallace worked on the 2000 Florida election recount.[14]
White House and Bush 2004 presidential campaign
Wallace joined the White House staff during George W. Bush's first term, serving as special assistant to the President and director of media affairs at the White House, where she oversaw regional press strategy and outreach.[15] In 2003, Wallace joined Bush's 2004 presidential campaign as its communications director, wherein according to The New York Times she "delivered her political attacks without snarling."[16]
On January 5, 2005, Bush named Wallace White House Communications Director.[15] The New York Times story announcing her presidential appointment carried the headline: "New Aide Aims to Defrost the Press Room" and described Wallace's intentions "to improve the contentious relationship between a secretive White House and the press."[16] According to The Washington Post, Wallace served as "a voice for more openness with reporters", and former colleagues describe Wallace as having been "very persuasive in the halls of the West Wing."[14] She left the White House in July 2006 to relocate to New York City, where her husband Mark was representing the Bush Administration at the United Nations.[14] Her White House colleague, presidential political advisor Mark McKinnon, called her a "rare talent in politics."[17]
McCain 2008 presidential campaign
Wallace also served as a senior advisor for the John McCain 2008 presidential campaign. She appeared frequently on network and cable news programs as the campaign's top spokesperson and defender.[18]
In late October 2008, campaign aides criticized vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin. One unnamed McCain aide said Palin had "gone rogue," placing her own future political interests ahead of the McCain/Palin ticket, directly contradicting her running mate's positions, and disobeying directions from campaign managers.[19][20] In response to reports of dissension within the McCain-Palin campaign, Wallace issued a statement to both Politico and CNN saying: "If people want to throw me under the bus, my personal belief is that the most honorable thing to do is to lie there."[21][19]
Wallace was portrayed by Sarah Paulson in the 2012 film Game Change.[22] Wallace described the film as highly credible, saying the film "captured the spirit and emotion of the campaign." Wallace also told ABC News Chief Political Correspondent George Stephanopoulos that the film was "true enough to make me squirm."[23] Eight years after the election, Wallace stated that she did not vote for a presidential candidate in 2008 because Sarah Palin gave her pause."[24]
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Only Garland has the answers and he is not speaking. When people don't have the answers they think the worse. Frustration grows and they start thinking with their emotions.
One day we will learn why Garland did not do this or that. Did something this way instead of another way. All that matters is Trump is brought to justice in the end. When that happens all the speculation will be for naught.
Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)Defenders don't know what the hell they're talking about, either?
Fiendish Thingy
(23,240 posts)That the limited public information does not allow a reasonable person to draw any conclusions with certainty.
That is beginning to change with the emerging information from NY and GA; the information regarding the DOJ investigations is still extremely limited and not as clear as the picture of the state investigations.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)We know treason is not an option. We know that it's not uncommon for federal felony cases to take years. We know you can't arrest someone by saying , hey judge, we saw this on TV so he must be the mastermind. We also know if you do, then said someone now has a case against said arrest and has just been handed a pass to walk. We know that what we see, as repulsive as it is, does not automatically translate into federal felony charges, or any charges at all. The judicial doesn't run on "but we KNOW it happened!" See O.J trial, Casey Anthony trial, and the JonBenet Ramsey case. ALL of these the public KNEW what happened. How'd that all turn out? We know the law and the courts run on cold hard evidence, not how many people saw what on TV.
Emile
(42,289 posts)attempting to overthrow the government through waging war against the state or materially aiding its enemies.
Sounds like Trump to me.
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)I agree with single word of this.
Also, people often assume they know a lot more than they do, sometimes even more than they possibly could be in a position to know. A lot of the anger I see is based on what people ASSUME, what people think they know, rather than on what they really do know.
Imo, a lot of people need to learn how to tell the difference between their own suppositions and assumptions and the actual known facts.
Emile
(42,289 posts)
crud
(1,257 posts)and put in front of a judge facing charges of inciting a riot, for starters. I'm not criticizing Garland or anyone in particular, just having a day dream.
Inciting a riot is a class 1 misdemeanor. With a sentence of no more than 180 days and a fine. You would have been good with that?
crud
(1,257 posts)it is less about the statute that was violated, or the personal price that is payed by the offender.
When the sign at the campsite says "no fires" and you build a fire anyways, they probably give you a citation. if your fire burns down the forest and kills people, you get a citation and you get charged for murder.
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)If you are going against an ex president, you want to double check all your ducks to assure they are still in a row.
live love laugh
(16,383 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)"The press comforts the afflicted and afflicts the comfortable to provide aid or support to those in need, while prompting those in positions of power or luxury to act in more ethical ways."
Quanto Magnus
(1,347 posts)There's no comfort in what's going on and how the press is handling it. And the comfortable are just fine with the status quo, so there's that too....
That adage is super out of date given our current economical/societal paradigm.
And media owners are rich.... It's the rich protecting the rich...
brush
(61,033 posts)on corrupt pols at all? Do you believe that?
Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)No killer instinct would be nice for a nice Supreme.
A nice USAG?
Not so much.
brush
(61,033 posts)Grasswire2
(13,849 posts)
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)This thread is vintage. 
PoindexterOglethorpe
(28,493 posts)Isn't there a saying that goes "Justice delayed is justice denied"?
elias7
(4,229 posts)And I won’t hold my breath
Marthe48
(23,175 posts)I don't hear much new information lately, and it seemed like each of the guests were piling on AG Garland. Maybe the course of justice has a timeline not related to the horsehockey discussed on news shows about candidates getting a break during a campaign, or other political influences like that. Possibly, the can of wormy traitors is so vast that even if there are political ploys, they simply won't matter in this case with that traitor. We can hope.
Ms. Wallace started airing a clip, again, of one of the traitors blathering about election fraud. If hearing her screechy voice saying lies about the election outcome reinforces my belief she is a traitorous lying sack of sh*t, other peoples' belief that the election was stolen are going to have their idiot outlook reinforced too, if they happen to watch a station other than fox. That's when I shut the show off. We know by now who said what to try to overthrow our government. If I wanted to hear the traitors over and over, I'd watch fox, but I don't, so I wish to God that the only station that is somewhat unbiased, would stop airing the clips of the traitors telling their lies.
I checked the other day, and Black Box Organization (Bec Harris) was not sued for her investigations into electronic voting machines after Al Gore was cheated out of his election win in 2000. Rather, from the quick skim I did, Black Box brought successful suits against companies using proprietary software, and got changes so electronic voting was more reliable and less open to tampering. Hope the traitors suck on that.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Is more than 6 years!
treestar
(82,383 posts)The system is not standing there waiting to serve you.
American middle class people don’t have experience with it. When they do have to deal with it they are cringingly entitled and whiny.
Somehow poor and rich people can deal with it.
If you ever do need the legal system, I promise you it will be a long process and you won’t get all you want (which to you is “justice”).
lees1975
(7,046 posts)Those are the questions that need to be asked. And I approve, since I am wondering why he gets to wander around after committing multiple felonies while any one of the rest of us would be in prison waiting for trial.
It is a legitimate question and it is long past time to get this crook off the streets and into jail where he belongs. He's already gotten away with a whole slew of felonies and treason with Russia after no indictments were filed for the crimes that the Mueller report uncovered.
So Nicole, fire away.
Emile
(42,289 posts)That's my opinion.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Emile
(42,289 posts)
Lettuce Be
(2,355 posts)Seriously makes my blood boil. I am retired but was a legal assistant. Car accidents take two years, why does everyone think a criminal in the white house would be so quick? Every single thing must be checked and rechecked. Witnesses (hundreds? thousands?) must be deposed to get testimony on the record. Documents, boxes and boxes of documents. Luckily computers make it easier to sort through tens of thousands of documents but it still takes time, lots of time.
My opinion, obviously
lees1975
(7,046 posts)it will be pointless. He will get away with it.
bigtree
(94,265 posts)...this is a specious complaint.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)Why do so many people think about the worst possible outcome on everything?
Emile
(42,289 posts)in two to three years.
I guess professional people take longer to get anything done.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)You're employer isn't deciding the fates of people lives. Not even a close comparison.
Pretty sure I know feet dragging when I see it.
fightforfreedom
(4,913 posts)lees1975
(7,046 posts)Trump and his cronies are on the record clearly inciting it. That shouldn't take a reasonable jury more than half an hour to determine, if that.
So it is accurate and it is taking too long and the longer it goes the less hope there is that he will ever pay for his crimes. So get on board and help put some pressure on these political types who won't move their rear ends and get it done.
Mosby
(19,491 posts)It's not just the 800 days, it's the 30 million dollars of billable hours that have been payed out so far. Ken star managed to blow thru 60 million dollars of taxpayer money. How much with this end up costing? And why? Why are we paying lawyers $500 per hour? To write books?
Ask yourself why prosecutors waste millions of dollars just so they can charge a suspect with 100 different crimes, when a couple would have put the person away for life.
This isn't justice, it's Big Law doing its thing.
brush
(61,033 posts)bigtree
(94,265 posts)...you can't put part of the case behind a wall and hope the defense doesn't pull it out of context in discovery.
You can't piecemeal a documents investigation, for instance, that has elements of national security involved, as the evidentiary material DOJ posesses when they go into court can and will be demanded by the defense in Discovery, and the prosecution is obligated, by law, to produce ALL of the evidence they have, not just what they intend to present.
it's not hard to imagine that DOJ, DoD, and other intelligence agencies would object to Trump lawyers getting their hands on evidence that they would certainly use in other cases they're involved in defendiong other Trump perps.
Once you arrive in court, all of it is fair game for the defense, so it makes sense to present a cohesive prosecution which brings out every element of criminality, or is prepared to present that in the trial if necessary.
You can't piecemeal out something that reveals all to the defense regardless of the consequences. They just can't, and won't.
It's like we saw in the Proud Boys trial a few weeks ago, where prosecutors declined to attribute Trump's public remarks in charging documents. I can't say for certain, but that would preserve their ability to present that evidence in a more comprehensive prosecution, say, against Trump, without revealing the details of that indictment in court right now.
What I'm mostly trying to explain is that there are consequences in paring charges down to a minimum, especially in that the defense can walk all over that minimalism with whatever DOJ is trying to keep separate.
That's not to mention the fact that the risk of aquittal goes up with a myopic focus on less. Jurors might decide it's all an ado about nothing.
Emile
(42,289 posts)
Chakaconcarne
(2,787 posts)We still have tomorrow, and the next day....and the next day.......and the next day.
ALBliberal
(3,345 posts)if roles had been reversed? Would not take 800 days.
bigtree
(94,265 posts)...all that show does is influence the opinion of her viewers.
What actual pressure is there in all of that daily cynicism about dual investigations late in the grand jury stages?
Each and every time there's a report about progress in the investigation, like yesterday, a whinging Wallace gets even more shrill in these ridiculcous attacks on Garland.
The only effect of Wallace getting what she's whinging for would be to jump ahead of the grand juries DOJ has been feeding evidence to, at least 40 individuals committed to the evidentiary process and reportedly ready for the deliberative phase, and Wallace would have DOJ leap into court WITHOUT the official grand jury ruling on PROBABLE CAUSE that the federal system of prosecution relies on to bring indictments.
It's a ludicrous demand, and she should be vilified for making such an inane complaint over and over. She's still whinging about Garland, but it's the GRAND JURIES and JACK SMITH who are in control of the outcome, at this point, not Garland (until they make a decision).
All this whinging Wallace is doing is stirring shit about the prosecution of Trump. It's not a coincidence, to me, that she gets more shrill the closer we get to indictments. If she's 'pressuring' anyone, she's pressuring grand jurors, much like we've seen in Ga., which is despicable and really unnecessary in every way.
brush
(61,033 posts)Investigation, questioning, ridiculing, criticizing, being a watchdog on pols, police, society in general is why the founding fathers put freedom of the press in the very First Amendment to the Constitution. Democracies perish without it.
It's not always done to perfection, some news organizations do it better than other, as do some individual journalists. Some organizations like FOX fake it and are not news entities at all, but one thing for sure, without a free press at least attempting it's watchdog role to keep TPTB honest, authoritarianism soon follows.
Strongmen, fascist, authoritarians shutdown the free press and replace them with propaganda organs with which they control the information the public gets.
This may sound moralistic, altruistic, or whatever the word it, but as a person whose career was in journalism, I believe the free press has a definite watchdog role to play in democracies.
bigtree
(94,265 posts)...no matter what altruistic claptrap it's wrapped in.
brush
(61,033 posts)...I may survive.
LymphocyteLover
(9,847 posts)and so it's not the full solution to our problems to jail Dump
What we really don't have in this country, because of our right to freedom of speech, is a way to stop demagogues and liars from lying and demagoguing. All we really have is the power to vote and to persuade other people with our speech.