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Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:05 PM

Politico: Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat

At this juncture, no one else in the country is as likely to be president of the United States come January 2025 as Joe Biden.

Republicans telling themselves otherwise are engaged in self-delusion.

There was a palpable sense during the midterms that Republicans were playing with house money — in other words, that the political environment was so favorable that they could afford to make poor choices and still succeed. That was a mistake last year, and absent something terrible befalling Biden or the country over the next two years, is a mistake when thinking about 2024.

Biden is not a dead man walking; he’s an old man getting around stiffly. Biden is vulnerable, but certainly electable; diminished, but still capable of delivering a message; uninspiring, but unthreatening.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/03/16/republicans-biden-trump-2024-election-00087242

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Reply Politico: Republicans Are Delusional If They Think Biden Will Be Easy to Beat (Original post)
brooklynite Mar 16 OP
OAITW r.2.0 Mar 16 #1
republianmushroom Mar 16 #2
brooklynite Mar 16 #4
In It to Win It Mar 17 #6
republianmushroom Mar 19 #27
Demsrule86 Mar 17 #9
betsuni Mar 17 #13
mcar Mar 17 #10
betsuni Mar 17 #11
republianmushroom Mar 19 #26
republianmushroom Mar 19 #28
LiberalFighter Mar 19 #24
republianmushroom Mar 19 #25
patphil Mar 16 #3
liberalla Mar 17 #5
republianmushroom Mar 19 #29
republianmushroom Mar 17 #7
ancianita Mar 17 #8
reACTIONary Mar 17 #14
ancianita Mar 17 #17
reACTIONary Mar 18 #18
ancianita Mar 18 #20
ancianita Mar 18 #21
DFW Mar 17 #12
Tom Rinaldo Mar 18 #19
GoCubsGo Mar 19 #32
GenThePerservering Mar 17 #15
Xolodno Mar 17 #16
TheFarseer Mar 18 #22
LiberalFighter Mar 19 #23
republianmushroom Mar 19 #30
LiberalFighter Mar 19 #34
republianmushroom Mar 19 #36
Mad_Machine76 Mar 19 #35
2live is 2fly Mar 19 #31
DFW Mar 19 #33

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:09 PM

1. No brainer for sane, rational people.

But the Republican Primary will be entertaining, in a clown show kind of way.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:18 PM

2. Beware of the base.

25 months and counting

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #2)

Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:36 PM

4. 99% of "the base" aren't fixated on prosecuting Trump.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #4)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:33 AM

6. I kinda feel safe is saying that most of "the base" probably doesn't care.

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Response to In It to Win It (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:09 PM

27. they do

see my posting to trumps base the republicans party as it is today. 3/19/23

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:42 PM

9. Anyone who doesn't vote for a sitting

President is not nor ever was the base. I would crawl across broken glass to vote Democratic in any election. I and others like me are the base.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #9)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:33 PM

13. Yes.

Then there's a mythical anti-establishment base yearning for class revolution that thinks Democrats aren't progressive and if not constantly threatened and badgered, pulled/pushed to the Left, they're just like Republicans. This "base" has no idea about the Democratic Party and its history, and it's a shame anyone believes leaders lying to them that Democrats are corrupt and ignore the working/middle class. Really horrible.

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:44 PM

10. Who do you consider the base?

I mean, of the Democratic party. And who in the "base" would risk putting T*ump or Death Sentence in the White House?

I've got a hint for you: anyone who would do that is not the base.

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Response to mcar (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 07:52 PM

11. +1

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Response to mcar (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:08 PM

26. see my posting to trumps base the republicans party as it is today. 3/19/23

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Response to mcar (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:10 PM

28. see my posting to trumps base the republicans party as it is today. 3/19/23

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 10:10 AM

24. Their base has gotten smaller. And keeps getting smaller.

The ones out in the open just need to be challenged and taken down.

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:01 PM

25. trumps base the republicans party as it is today.

2016 Trump won the general election with 304 of the 538 electoral votes, although Clinton won the popular vote by a margin of 2.1%.
Nominee Donald Trump Hillary Clinton
Party Republican Democratic
Electoral vote 304 227
Popular vote 62,984,828 65,853,514

2020 Biden ultimately received the majority in the Electoral College with 306 electoral votes, while Trump received 232.
Nominee Joe Biden Donald Trump
Party Democratic Republican
Electoral vote 306 232
Popular vote 81,283,501 74,223,975

ARIZONA 11 EL V BIDEN 1,672,143 TRUMP 1,661,686 DIF 10457
GEORGIA 16 EL V BIDEN 2,473,633 TRUMP 2,461,854 DIF 11779
Wis. 10 EL V BIDEN 1,630,866 TRUMP 1,610,184 DIF 20,682

You do realize if 6,000 voter in Arizona and Georgia had voted for Trump and not Biden, 12,000 in Wisconsin had voted for Trump and not Biden the electoral vote would of been a tie. A difference of only 24,000 votes. Trump would of had a second term.
Biden would have won the popular vote by a margin of 871,259,501 vs Trump 74,247,975
That is how close the 2024 election was. He didn't need Georgia to find 12,000 votes , he needed 24,000 votes in 3 states changed, that was all.


Arizona 11 1,672,143 - 6,000 = 1666143 1,661,686 + 6,000 =1,667,686 TRUMP by 1,543
Georgia 16 2,473,633 - 6,000 = 2,467,633 2,461,854 + 6,000 = 2,467,854 TRUMP by 221
Wis. 10 1,630,866 - 12,000 =1,618,866 1,610,184 +12,000 =1,622,184 TRUMP by 3,318
BIDEN 306 -37 = 269 trump 232 +37=269

Trumps biggest mistake was not pardoning the J6 rioters. If he had you would see many more MAGA face law enforcement when he is indicted.
24 months and counting

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Mar 16, 2023, 08:28 PM

3. They're too busy beating themselves...

with attacks on women's rights, homosexual rights, voting rights, responsible gun laws, education, and libraries. And also all those Republicans who are OK with Russian aggression, and who want to end or at least greatly reduce Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and any other program that actually helps people.
Not to mention the whole concept of people being awake, as opposed to their brain-dead, zombie base.
They're so busy pissing off everybody to please their base that they haven't given any thought as to how small their base really is.
President Biden is doing a really good job, and his state of the union address showed he's still got the mental ability to carry the nation forward.
They should just keep on believing President Biden is weak and ineffectual...it will make it easier for use to win in 2024.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:29 AM

5. Republicans are delusional.

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Response to liberalla (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:12 PM

29. trumps base the republicans party as it is today.

2016 Trump won the general election with 304 of the 538 electoral votes, although Clinton won the popular vote by a margin of 2.1%.
Nominee Donald Trump Hillary Clinton
Party Republican Democratic
Electoral vote 304 227
Popular vote 62,984,828 65,853,514

2020 Biden ultimately received the majority in the Electoral College with 306 electoral votes, while Trump received 232.
Nominee Joe Biden Donald Trump
Party Democratic Republican
Electoral vote 306 232
Popular vote 81,283,501 74,223,975

ARIZONA 11 EL V BIDEN 1,672,143 TRUMP 1,661,686 DIF 10457
GEORGIA 16 EL V BIDEN 2,473,633 TRUMP 2,461,854 DIF 11779
Wis. 10 EL V BIDEN 1,630,866 TRUMP 1,610,184 DIF 20,682

You do realize if 6,000 voter in Arizona and Georgia had voted for Trump and not Biden, 12,000 in Wisconsin had voted for Trump and not Biden the electoral vote would of been a tie. A difference of only 24,000 votes. Trump would of had a second term.
Biden would have won the popular vote by a margin of 871,259,501 vs Trump 74,247,975
That is how close the 2024 election was. He didn't need Georgia to find 12,000 votes , he needed 24,000 votes in 3 states changed, that was all.


Arizona 11 1,672,143 - 6,000 = 1666143 1,661,686 + 6,000 =1,667,686 TRUMP by 1,543
Georgia 16 2,473,633 - 6,000 = 2,467,633 2,461,854 + 6,000 = 2,467,854 TRUMP by 221
Wis. 10 1,630,866 - 12,000 =1,618,866 1,610,184 +12,000 =1,622,184 TRUMP by 3,318
BIDEN 306 -37 = 269 trump 232 +37=269

Trumps biggest mistake was not pardoning the J6 rioters. If he had you would see many more MAGA face law enforcement when he is indicted.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 12:24 PM

7. Republicans Are Delusional period.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 06:39 PM

8. Politico?

Diminished? PUH-LEASE.

He looks pretty damn inspiring -- “UKRAINE WILL NEVER BE A VICTORY FOR RUSSIA”
and threatening -- ""[D]on't even think about moving on one single inch of NATO territory," We have a sacred obligation under Article 5 to defend each and every inch of NATO territory with the full force of our collective power... [Putin] cannot remain in power." -- to the rest of the world.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:39 PM

14. Not politico... Rich Lowery...

This is an opinion piece by a right wing pundit associated with the national review. You can't expect him to be enthusiastic. Maybe he can tell which way the wind blows.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #14)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:51 PM

17. Cool. A contributing writer to Politico from the National Review.

And maybe he can tell Biden, Zelenskyy and NATO which way the wind blows.

All this right wing psychology is good for DU, huh? Because when Democrats win they're "lucky in your enemies," and Biden could "get a big break" because of their stealth plans to coup the capitol, twist state laws, and then become a minority ruling party. Okay.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #17)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:18 AM

18. Politico isn't exactly...

.... Raw Story, is it?

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #18)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:04 AM

21. Regardless, to throw up a National Review writer's opinion re Biden and his "chances" of

winning, without critiquing the writer, misses the more crucial task of Democrats' winning on the merits of this president, and not on some stupid "luck" spin.

Politico is not Raw Story, in that it's trying to hedge its owners' political bets.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 08:07 PM

12. Uninspiring?

I should have considered the source.

Watch the SOTU address again, and THEN tell me he is uninspiring. This sounds like some Republican rag pretending to be "reasonable and realistic," but just can't help themselves and have GOT to get their nasty dig in. If I'm around in ten years, I can only HOPE to be as "uninspiring" as Joe Biden is now.

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Response to DFW (Reply #12)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:54 AM

19. Joe Biden rises to the occasion

He can be very inspiring when it counts. And anyone who stops for a moment and contemplates what he has stood for all of his life, and what he has accomplished, can be deeply inspired by Joe Biden. He isn't intrinsically inspiring, in the manner of an RFK (or for those on the political Right, ugh, Reagan). With Biden it id his decency and substance, rather than style and charisma, that truly shines through.

There is no denying that he is aging, but with Biden that underscores his wisdom.

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Response to DFW (Reply #12)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:21 PM

32. Ditto on the "diminished" part.

Diminished how? He has accomplished more in the first two years of his term than President since FDR. "Diminished," my fat ass.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:04 PM

15. Good grief

Let me set you straight, Lowry:

Biden is not a dead man walking; he’s an old man getting around stiffly.

He gets around a lot better than a lot of 45 year old Muricans who ARE like dead people shuffling

Biden is vulnerable, but certainly electable;

Gold start for that little dude.

diminished, but still capable of delivering a message; uninspiring, but unthreatening.

You wish. And I think you feel threatened.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Mar 17, 2023, 10:16 PM

16. I'm fairly certain Republicans don't believe Biden will be easy to beat.

They made that mistake with the midterms. What frightens me is this, what are they hiding/manufacturing? They are playing the dumb right now, that isn't going to last.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sat Mar 18, 2023, 07:40 PM

22. Republican analysis goes like this:

Last edited Sat Mar 18, 2023, 08:57 PM - Edit history (1)

I don’t like him so him can’t win. If he does win, he must have cheated because I wouldn’t vote for him.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 10:04 AM

23. Let them think he can be beat.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:16 PM

30. Beware

You do realize if 6,000 voter in Arizona and Georgia had voted for Trump and not Biden, 12,000 in Wisconsin had voted for Trump and not Biden the electoral vote would of been a tie. A difference of only 24,000 votes. Trump would of had a second term.
Biden would have won the popular vote by a margin of 871,259,501 vs Trump 74,247,975
That is how close the 2024 election was. He didn't need Georgia to find 12,000 votes , he needed 24,000 votes in 3 states changed, that was all.

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 06:51 PM

34. 2024 won't be the same as 2020.

He killed off many of his supporters with Covid.
None of his supporters convicted and in prison won't be able to vote.
Not as many will continue to support him and some won't vote.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 07:29 PM

36. Trump gained not quite 9,000,000 vote between 2016 to 2020

democrats gained apprx. 16,000,000 but mostly in blue states the gain in red state by dem's must be maintained.

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Response to republianmushroom (Reply #30)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 07:14 PM

35. That may be true

But what would turn people against him like that?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:20 PM

31. With the remarks about Ukraine and Russia, tfg & the Florida Decockroach

will no-doubt both be counting on Russian disinformation assistance (INTERFERENCE) in our upcoming 2024 presidential election. These m-fer's will be putting all they can into it, even more (if that's possible) than they did in 2016. AND NO former guy - you were never vindicated by Mr. Mueller's investigation.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Sun Mar 19, 2023, 05:28 PM

33. They often act less politically aware than they are

At the Gridiron Dinner in 1995, when Bill Clinton was down with the Republican success in the 1994 midterms, and Gingrich was riding high as the new nasty aggressive House Speaker, when Clinton gave his speech, he gave it with his usual mastery, had the room eating out of his hand. Gingrich leaned over to tell my mom, seated next to him, and said, “anyone who thinks this guy is gonna be a pushover for re-election is fooling themself.” No matter how much he said in public that his “contract with America” would be Clinton’s political graveyard, he knew that Clinton was a formidable, skilled political opponent who would probably coast to re-election no matter what the Republicans threw at him.

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