These Protesters (Women) In Isreal Are Effective As Hell, And Keep Growing In Number

[GGoss]

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In Israel, TV’s dystopian ‘Handmaids’ is protest fixture - AP

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — It’s become an ominous fixture of the mass anti-government protests roiling Israel: a coil of women in crimson robes and white caps, walking heads bowed and hands clasped. They are dressed as characters from Margaret Atwood’s dystopian novel, “The Handmaid’s Tale,” and the eponymous TV series.

The women, growing in numbers as the demonstrations against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s policies intensify, say they are protesting to ward off what they believe will be a dark future if the government follows through on its plan to overhaul the judiciary.

“This display is a representation of the things that we fear,” said Moran Zer Katzenstein, founder of the women’s rights advocacy group Bonot Alternativa, or “building an alternative,” which is behind the Handmaid’s protest.

“Women are going to be the first to be harmed” under the overhaul, she added.

In a move that has sparked widespread opposition, Netanyahu’s government is pushing to weaken the Supreme Court and limit the independence of the judiciary, steps they say will restore power to elected legislators and make the courts less interventionist. Critics say the move upends Israel’s system of checks and balances and pushes it toward autocracy.

The overhaul has sent tens of thousands of people into the streets in protest each week.

Link: https://apnews.com/article/israel-protests-women-patriarchy-rights-legal-handmaids-49b4b5a4d4d3da81d6433f36dd22f215

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[no_hypocrisy]

1. My estimate is more theocracy than potential autocracy.

The rabbis will be telling the judges how to rule according to the law of Orthodox Jews. I can see almost all divorces becoming "Gets".

[Irish_Dem]

27. Theocracies are autocracies using God as an excuse.

[no_hypocrisy]

29. Point taken

[ProudMNDemocrat]

2. As Israel becomes LESS Democratic, time to reassess our financial support there.

As Netanyahu becomes more like Putin and Erdogan, Sec. of State Anthony Blinken needs to ask...Is Israel our ally in the Middle East?

[ancianita]

3. Because protesting women in Florida are more readily killed off than women in Israel, and Florida

women know that. You think that equal behavior gets equal outcomes? Think again.

[GGoss]

4. So The Bullies Win ???

Not with the women I know... no way.

Maybe it's time for a road trip.

[ancianita]

6. The armed win. Bullies are who women already live with.

If most Florida women -- in fact, women in general -- were to do what Israeli women do -- who equally serve in their military as part of their societal training -- there would be a gender civil war here.

[Hope22]

13. Our gender civil war here is well on its way.

The good men who fail to speak out contribute to our demise. This thing is rolling out of control. I would say that people will wake up but for the most part Americans had to lose someone in the Iraq war to give one thought to it. How many women will die here until people wake the #ell up? They have already begun to do so. Their fear and plight rarely gets notice and when it does their reproductive organs have already disintegrated within for lack of proper health care and sepsis. Doctors with hands tied and quaking can’t get the message across. The question is why do so many American men hate women and transgenders? Why do they refuse to stand? Just as we all have to stand with BLM to make it happen every citizen has to stand up for gender equality and body autonmy.

I beg my husband and male friends to make the call, write the emails.
This is a minimum effort and may have little consequence but at least it is something. I send links and contact info to them to make it as easy as possible but nothing comes of it. It makes me feel like I am nothing. A million small things can mean something. Feet in the street can mean something but the Women’s marches in this country have dissolved into nothing. DC had no national march on International Women’s Day. We are cooked.

[ancianita]

30. That last sentence?

We are only cooked if we think we're cooked. That is exactly what sexists want women to believe.

[Hope22]

36. Really? You aren't meaning that I'm sexist I hope. N/t

[ancianita]

38. Really. Of course I'm not saying you're sexist.

I'm saying that sexists impose/sell that message that "we" are cooked, and you're buying it, unfortunately. I don't even care if you're female or male. Really.

[Hope22]

39. My thoughts of women in this country actually come from my own experiences and activism.

And women I know and care about. The women that I read about and their life experiences. My thoughts also center on the fact that the same women who spoke up in the seventies and grew up at that time are the only ones speaking out about the true danger women are in today. Red, gerrymandered states such as my own are not wasting any time eradicating the power of women and transgender people. It’s already happening Like it or not, the water in the pot is boiling. Change in this country has crawled to a stop unless it pertains to women and minorities and with that we careen backwards at head snapping speed. This won’t be solved until everyone gets on their feet and I just don’t see the white men doing it. It should have been an immediate wave of action but that window is gone. We will have to lose one woman at a time until the average Joe gets it that our lives are in danger here. Thank you for clarifying your comment.

[ancianita]

40. Your post is much appreciated. However,

I'd like to point out that perhaps you're in a discouraged state...

This won’t be solved until everyone gets on their feet and I just don’t see the white men doing it. It should have been an immediate wave of action but that window is gone.

...

because both your name and signature line say the opposite.

It's not over for the 51% and their allies. And it doesn't help women if you focus your posting on defeatist ideas.

Keep Hope alive.

[Hope22]

42. You know we can't control the feelings of others out here.

I know I am not the only one who feels desperate for the young women and children and the world to come. It’s not that I don’t try and don’t work for peace and fair voting. It’s just that these are desperate times. I’m sorry that you feel I am a detriment to other women. I’m sure one day they will join me in the streets. Take care and stay safe.

[ancianita]

43. But we can control our feelings.

All I think is that if we want to be seen differently and taken seriously, we have to do what all Israeli women do. We will be seen as a threat when men know that we've trained for war and can handle weapons like all Israeli women do. If we want to be as successful as they, we have to do what they do. We've tried everything else.

Don't tell me what I mean -- I didn't say you're a detriment to other women. I've already been out in the streets -- years and years. Deafeatism isn't hopeful or helpful. Maybe think about it. Take care.

[mcar]

25. We've had regular women's rights sign wavings

in my little Red Florida county. Surprisingly, we get a lot of positive response from drivers passing by. We also get a religious fanatic or two who comes along to set us straight.

I stopped doing them. Why? Because here in Florida, most young people didn't vote in the midterms. I guess these young women are OK with being 2nd class citizens. Kind of makes me wonder why I'm putting myself on the line when they won't even get off their butts to vote.

[Lonestarblue]

5. Protests in the US have become almost useless in terms of getting laws changed.

As an example, how have laws changed preventing police from killing black men for minor traffic violations that the police escalate as an excuse? The massive protests after George Floyd’s murder dis not change many laws, if any.

Perhaps protests still draw attention to major issues, but not much seems to change.

[ancianita]

8. Not useless, but not as effective because of societal and legal inertia.

Our social/legal environment has become too resistant to change, although if we study Michigan, maybe we can learn some lessons.

[Hope22]

14. The government has enacted laws to seize assets of protesters.

Standing up and speaking out puts every family member in financial risk. Protesting is a big risk here now.

[GGoss]

18. And THAT, Is Why We Still Need Hippies... They Got No Assets

Seriously: Are those laws local/state/federal ???

Could you point me to a place I can read up on that ?

Thx

[Hope22]

20. Lol...we do have many destitute people but it takes Wi-Fi access and gas money to get places

Here is a link. Down in the article it talks about people who have supported groups or activities not necessarily participating in them can also be held accountable. It’s broad and they can’t be trusted. My experience with Homeland Security lets me know that.

From the article:

This language is broad enough to authorize the government to seize any assets of any individuals involved in the Vieques Island protests or of any organization supporting the protests of which the person is a member, or from any individuals who were supporting the protesters in any way. Possible supporters of the protesters could include student organizations that sponsored participation in the demonstration, the Rainbow/Push Coalition, the Rev. Sharpton's National Action Network, and religious or community organizations that provided housing or food to the protesters.



https://www.aclu.org/other/how-usa-patriot-act-redefines-domestic-terrorism

[GGoss]

22. The Patriot Act... I Should Have Known

Thank you.

[Hope22]

24. Don't beat yourself up!

The devil was definitely in the details there! You are very welcome! 😁

[ancianita]

34. This link is about protests around military bases, not the usual social protests.

If the ACLU says that the Patriot Act is broad enough to interpret all protest as terrorism, and if it hasn't litigated that interpretation in the courts in the 20+ years it's had the chance, then the ACLU is weak.

Here's what the ACLU says it did in 2022 (bolding mine):

https://www.aclu.org/news/civil-liberties/ten-ways-aclu-supporters-showed-up-2022

1. We blocked the Stop WOKE Act in Florida, setting precedent to prevent classroom censorship.

2. We showed up in court with transgender kids, their parents, and providers in the fight to protect gender-affirming care in Arkansas.

3. With our local partners and county officials, we successfully negotiated groundbreaking bail reform in Shelby County, Tennessee without litigation.

... "we advocated," "rallied," "spread the word," "pushed back" blah blah blah... because I don't see court cases won.

[ancianita]

31. LINK it. I'm pretty sure you're referring to state governments. This DOJ and this government

legally support all peaceful protest in the U.S.

Even if it turns out to be state governments, the laws on both asset forfeiture and protest are unconstitutional.

Getting police patterns & practices investigated is part of the Garland DOJ. Garland also overturned a Trump-era ban on federal consent settlements with local jurisdictions over reforms for policing and other issues. Last year, Garland's DOJ launched sweeping pattern-and-practice investigations of the police departments in Minneapolis, Louisville and Phoenix.

[Hope22]

32. See post #20

[ancianita]

35. See post #34.

[Hope22]

33. As we see our rights blow in the wind

Depending on who is in power. The * Cheney administration was a horse of another color. And
anyway, you can read what I wrote in #20. Thanks.

[ancianita]

37. Depends on the framing; don't be so quick to dismiss.

When rights depend on the right person elected president, that means democracy is teetering, and the nation's people could be in peril.

I did read #20. Did you read my #34 response?

The idea that rights under rule of men depends on who is elected makes sense, even though it's not democracy. That's what many geopolitical types say we're in -- the 'trying to decide' zone.

In that zone, the idea that rights under rule of law depends on equal enforcement of the law (rather than under rule of men, which mean leader-driven totalitarian rewards & punishment) is at the heart of the fuming going on right now. That's the teetering part.

Those who want rule of men want themselves above rule of law, and accuse enforcement of law as a "witch hunt," "weaponization," and other strongman tribal lingo.

We who want democracy established solidly, just want consistent, equal enforcement of the law, and sentences that proportionally give relief, depending on the scale of loss, harm, or damage inflicted by violating the law.

None of this is over yet. No 'rules' about elections can suspend rule of law or its enforcement, no matter what the 'opposition' says.

[GGoss]

9. Did The Anti-Vietnam War Protests End The War ? - It's A Kind Of Paradox

Did any of the protests end that war, no.

Would that war have ended when it did, without those protests, no.


Lyric from the time:

"You keep adding to my numbers, as you shoot my people down."

[Hope22]

12. During the Iraq war anti surge discussion....

We had enough protesters to completely fill the streets and surrounded the Capitol building on all sides. The streets were shoulder to shoulder. Over 500,000 people. It was an amazing experience being surrounded by like minded people in a country of ostriches. I was so excited and called home to see what kind of TV coverage we were getting. Crickets. CSpan had coverage for 30 minutes but major networks completely blacked out the event. On Monday Keith Olbermann did have a segment on it. Who really knows what demonstrations have or will occur here. The media has the final say.

I want to say that during that event the police were amazing. On foot and horseback they were around but not intimidating. The folks of all ages and colors never once thought that storming a public building would be a grand idea. This is why I have zero sorrow for the 1/6 clowns. They knew exactly what they were doing!

[GGoss]

15. The Only D.C. March I've Ever Been Too, Was The March For Women's Lives In 2004

Over a million people.

Article: https://now.org/blog/over-one-million-march-for-womens-lives/

Images: https://tinyurl.com/yrzfxbb5

Went to quite a few Anti-Iraq War Protests in the S.F. Bay Area.

The thing is, each time, the protests got better/smarter in counting attendence, getting out the word, and getting coverage.

Remember, in 2004 most people's Smart phones weren't so smart (Nokia).

Now-a-days, everyone is a reporter/editor/publisher/broadcaster, right from their own pocket.

And the big news organizations DO NOT like to get "scooped".

If they refuse to cover an event, they lose eyeballs/viewers... not good for business.

[Hope22]

19. One could hope.

That is cool that you were there in 2004. We went in the last one before Covid. I think it was 2019. We marched past the White House. T@#$& had three layers of fencing and armed guards with the big black long guns out front. It made quite a picture. The crowd was amazing but nothing close to the anti surge numbers. It was my last hurrah I fear. The police tried to keep us from walking down the street by pointing us in another direction but the people wanted to lay eyes on the house. We stood out front in horror with no thought of rushing the gates. We sat in the park across the street. I thought I would get to go to DC this year but there was no national march there. The closest nationally advertised event for me this year was a three hour drive. I remember when pretty much every city had an event. Thanks for sharing. It feels lonely these days!💗🙏

[James48]

7. Great visual

I like it.

[GGoss]

10. Right ?? - It's Very Effective, Because It's Visually Stunning

If I saw over 300 Women headed my way, looking like that, I'd fucking freak the hell out !

[lonely bird]

11. I toddled over to the Claremont Institute website the other day

They had a story listed on the site calling Bibi the Churchill of the Middle East.

Disgusting.

[3Hotdogs]

16. American woman who are having trouble finding mates, should get those outfits and wear them

to the next CPAC --- or Southern Baptist conventions.

They'll have more proposals then they can handle.

I bet they could even be used as honey traps to get Alito and Beer Pong Boy to commit adultery.

[Ilsa]

17. Will Israel split into 2 nations?

I was watching JBS last week and a host was interviewing two news editorialists, one a secular Jew, the other more Orthodox.
The secular guest was saying he has no desire to be orthodox, and neither does anyone amongst his family and friends. So Netanyahu's rightwing moves frighten him.

He also commented that secular Jews tend to have 1-2 children, whereas Orthodox Jews have 4 or more. He said Orthodox will be the majority in a few decades, leading to a much more conservative Likud and judiciary. He actually recommended a split of the nation. (How painful was that for India and Pakistan?)

[Alexander Of Assyria]

21. India and Pakistan were created by Colonial edict. The fixing of that was the very painful part.

East Pakistan and West…with a thousand miles between???….Western colonialists sure did the math to create the most misery as possible, long as possible.

Many many more examples all over the world. Hasn’t stopped.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/8/14/how-india-pakistan-and-bangladesh-were-formed

The animation is a great visual summary.

[Ilsa]

26. I wonder how long Hindus and Muslims coexisted before the edict to split?

Yes, It was colonial edict, but weren't Jinnah and Nehru part of that? It wasn't solely by Mountbatten.

Still, will Israel do the same eventually?

[Irish_Dem]

28. Same division happening in the US.

Some states will be theocratic and fascist.
Other states will be free and democratic.

Who benefits from all of this division and chaos in western democracies?

[Magoo48]

23. It is refreshing to see the people of Israel and France standing to protect their rights.

Neither place is flawless by a long shot, but they get to the streets in impressive numbers. Americans could learn something from these folks willing to stand up to powers threatening their individual freedoms.

When these bloated-ego sociopathic ”leaders” pop up and show their true colors, and all the authoritarian mobs line up behind them, trust what they show. The nasty little shits are as serious as a heart attack.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

41. K&R

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

44. powerful visuals. We need that in America, in the red states