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Michael Beschloss makes a really important point (Original Post) Bleacher Creature Mar 2023 OP
Nixon not having been duly punished, prison term, is precisely why magas feel so emboldened SheltieLover Mar 2023 #1
Or basically do to them PatSeg Mar 2023 #67
Hindsight wryter2000 Mar 2023 #2
People were predicting this back then, too, so it's not at all hindsight. TheRickles Mar 2023 #27
I followed Watergate closely, even watched all the hearings wryter2000 Mar 2023 #51
My mom sent a telegram to Ford Cadfael Mar 2023 #53
I was too young, but ... Dave says Mar 2023 #60
And it didn't take long. moondust Mar 2023 #3
moondust....... Upthevibe Mar 2023 #23
No kidding. And worshipped all the while by the far wrong. calimary Mar 2023 #46
Ford's pardon of Nixon was cilla4progress Mar 2023 #4
Well that's pretty cool! In the great state of Vermont, eh? I was a college student KPN Mar 2023 #17
That's when I 1st learned of presidential pardons Fullduplexxx Mar 2023 #5
Eisenhower was the last honest Republican president. OMGWTF Mar 2023 #6
You know, I find myself saying this far too often Captain Zero Mar 2023 #15
Oh, I didn't know That! Phew! I do know his "beware the Military Industrial complex" quote late... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #18
In hindsight, that was the last time we had a Republican president calimary Mar 2023 #47
Definitely respect. Maybe agree with some things? Must look up his record. It's been about 62 yrs! electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #49
Read the 1956 Republican platform central scrutinizer Mar 2023 #58
I agree MacKasey Mar 2023 #16
OMGWTF........... Upthevibe Mar 2023 #25
That's exactly what I have always thought Hekate Mar 2023 #7
Me, too MurrayDelph Mar 2023 #10
Yeah, I get that Obama was afraid to rock the boat much, being the first black president, Sky Jewels Mar 2023 #21
++++++++++++++++++ not fooled Mar 2023 #39
I think that is kind of a facile and shallow read stopdiggin Mar 2023 #8
+1 onenote Mar 2023 #44
Well said. A lot has happened in 50 years Raven123 Mar 2023 #56
Ford and countless others after him DENVERPOPS Mar 2023 #61
Hmm. Perhaps in the same sense stopdiggin Mar 2023 #70
The list is endless..........NC DENVERPOPS Mar 2023 #71
Correct Cosmocat Mar 2023 #69
Be really nice to have a synopsis of the content for us musk-averse DUers. erronis Mar 2023 #9
Here ya go... Shipwack Mar 2023 #34
Excellent. Thank you. I could/should research this myself - just want to encourage OP to add context erronis Mar 2023 #37
Ford announced True Blue American Mar 2023 #62
By gawd you're right! Ligyron Mar 2023 #63
So very Rebl2 Mar 2023 #11
And at least some of us knew that PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2023 #12
I was a bit out of college. I was angry that he was pardoned but wasn't learned enough to consider.. electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #50
My husband makes that point all the time. n/t momta Mar 2023 #13
That may hold some truth, Callalily Mar 2023 #14
Yeah, in his case especially. Nevertheless, it was and is emblematic of the failures of KPN Mar 2023 #20
Very true, but in 1974, the idea of President Donald Trump was anathema Kennah Mar 2023 #19
Bleacher Creature.......... Upthevibe Mar 2023 #22
Dick "Shotgun" Cheney did more to expand the power Cheezoholic Mar 2023 #24
The problem with "protecting the office" soldierant Mar 2023 #45
If Ford hadn't agreed to the pardon, then Nixon wouldn't have resigned FakeNoose Mar 2023 #26
Wasn't he the who pushed the idea of a unitary president? dhol82 Mar 2023 #28
I don't remember that, but it may be true FakeNoose Mar 2023 #31
Ford really thought he was saving us from that True Blue American Mar 2023 #64
Been saying that since he did it UpInArms Mar 2023 #29
This is 100% true. evolves Mar 2023 #30
2019 article by Professors Kevin Kruse & Julian Zelizer on this. irisblue Mar 2023 #32
Not punishing Nixon, temporary311 Mar 2023 #33
In this case, I disagree Poiuyt Mar 2023 #35
This wouldn't apply to Trump JI7 Mar 2023 #36
Let me fix that for you Michael.....later REPUBLICANS Ferrets are Cool Mar 2023 #38
Great point! True Blue American Mar 2023 #65
I was 14 I think LittleGirl Mar 2023 #40
Absolutely Historic NY Mar 2023 #41
A lot of us felt that way then, too relayerbob Mar 2023 #42
Well, no shit. jaxexpat Mar 2023 #43
Exactly! chowmama Mar 2023 #48
We had a nice lunch with an old friend of ours, an attorney, and I made exactly that point. n/t. NNadir Mar 2023 #52
The Ford Pardon helped elect Jimmy Carter LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #54
said that the night Ford pardoned him and rurallib Mar 2023 #55
Enough people were pissed off at Ford that he wasn't elected. BigmanPigman Mar 2023 #57
In my elementary school, teachers taught that in America "no one is above the law." tclambert Mar 2023 #59
Ford lost DownriverDem Mar 2023 #66
I've said this very thing on DU cab67 Mar 2023 #68

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
1. Nixon not having been duly punished, prison term, is precisely why magas feel so emboldened
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:18 PM
Mar 2023

The only way to stop bullies is by meeting their affronts with extraordinary force, physical or legal, as the case may be.

PatSeg

(47,239 posts)
67. Or basically do to them
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 11:20 AM
Mar 2023

what they would do to lawbreakers. Nixon was quite a "Law and Order" politician and he wouldn't be nearly so lenient.

That said, he at least should have been tried and judged in a court of law. Even if he didn't go to prison if found guilty, history would forever know him as a criminal, a felon. That pardon was too easy and his crimes deserved far more attention. Meanwhile, I don't think the man ever thought he did anything wrong. Pompous and arrogant to the end.

wryter2000

(46,023 posts)
51. I followed Watergate closely, even watched all the hearings
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 05:10 PM
Mar 2023

When Ford pardoned Nixon, I just felt relief that it was over. I'm sure there were people who saw the error, but most of us felt that the punishment of having to resign in disgrace would be a deterrent for the future.

It might have worked if the Republican party hadn't become so corrupted. The Republican party of the early 1970's would have convicted Trump and thrown him out on his ass.

I know it was an mistake, but it would have been very difficult to predict Trump and the current Republican party.

Cadfael

(1,296 posts)
53. My mom sent a telegram to Ford
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 05:38 PM
Mar 2023

It read : “Add another name to the cover-up list”

My mom and dad (and I) watched every hearing that we could. She was really pissed by that pardon.

moondust

(19,956 posts)
3. And it didn't take long.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:25 PM
Mar 2023
The presidency of Ronald Reagan in the United States was marked by numerous scandals, resulting in the investigation, indictment, or conviction of over 138 administration officials, the largest number for any president in American history.
~
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_administration_scandals

KPN

(15,635 posts)
17. Well that's pretty cool! In the great state of Vermont, eh? I was a college student
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:15 PM
Mar 2023

a bit south of you in western MA at the same time -- but still working my summer job around then.

OMGWTF

(3,939 posts)
6. Eisenhower was the last honest Republican president.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:36 PM
Mar 2023

Nixon, Reagan, GHW Bush, Cheney the Dick and GeeDumbya, and now Traitor Tot -- should all have been sent to prison.

Captain Zero

(6,779 posts)
15. You know, I find myself saying this far too often
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:08 PM
Mar 2023

Eisenhower really stood up to generals who wanted to nuke everything in the 50s. Whenever they suggested it, I read that Ike's reply always was, "THEN, WHAT?"

electric_blue68

(14,807 posts)
18. Oh, I didn't know That! Phew! I do know his "beware the Military Industrial complex" quote late...
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:15 PM
Mar 2023

on. (I was 7 in 1960)

A decent President.


And what a great, chilling retort!

calimary

(81,085 posts)
47. In hindsight, that was the last time we had a Republican president
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:20 PM
Mar 2023

we could actually respect, if not agree with.

Eisenhower. What was it? Some seven DECADES ago?

central scrutinizer

(11,635 posts)
58. Read the 1956 Republican platform
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:56 PM
Mar 2023

Pro-union, reasonable and a stark contrast to now. They have no platform except investigating Hunter Biden’s laptop

MurrayDelph

(5,291 posts)
10. Me, too
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:47 PM
Mar 2023

It's why I thought Obama's "looking forward, not backward" reaction to Guantanamo torture was weak tea. We might not have a DeSantis at this point if he'd followed up.

Sky Jewels

(7,006 posts)
21. Yeah, I get that Obama was afraid to rock the boat much, being the first black president,
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:27 PM
Mar 2023

but it was frustrating to see him capitulate too much on too many issues.

stopdiggin

(11,236 posts)
8. I think that is kind of a facile and shallow read
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 12:41 PM
Mar 2023

The pardon may have been ill considered (from a rule of law point of view) over the long run. But - the power of the presidency (and the expansion of that envelope) can hardly be attributed wholly, or even primarily, to that one (purported) misstep.

The fear of later indictment ... Not that big a factor.

Raven123

(4,781 posts)
56. Well said. A lot has happened in 50 years
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:42 PM
Mar 2023

Also, President Ford never imagined the current state of American politics

DENVERPOPS

(8,787 posts)
61. Ford and countless others after him
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 11:43 PM
Mar 2023

didn't just "imagine" it, they were each instrumental in making a small piece of the current state of politics happen.............

stopdiggin

(11,236 posts)
70. Hmm. Perhaps in the same sense
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 12:35 PM
Mar 2023

that each of of us is 'instrumental' (in a small way) for the creation of global warming. But that sort of glosses over the impact of some of the major players. Fossil fuels, chemical industry, deforestation might be slightly bigger actors? I don't think I'll ever be able to put Gerald Ford, or Bob Dole - on the same level or playing field with Newt Gingrich, Limbaugh, Cheney, Murdock, FOX, or more recently, Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Taylor-Greene, or Trump.

And, yes - I do think that Dole and Ford would find the current state of the GOP (and the actions and positions taken post election) - almost beyond belief. Not the same animal at all.

Cosmocat

(14,558 posts)
69. Correct
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 12:07 PM
Mar 2023

This line of thinking MASSIVELY underestimates the moral and ethical corruption of the republican party.

Shipwack

(2,157 posts)
34. Here ya go...
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:03 PM
Mar 2023

"Had President Ford not granted Nixon an almost immediate "full, free and absolute" pardon in 1974, later Presidents might not have felt so licensed to break the law." -Michael Beschloss

erronis

(15,170 posts)
37. Excellent. Thank you. I could/should research this myself - just want to encourage OP to add context
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:05 PM
Mar 2023

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
62. Ford announced
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 08:03 AM
Mar 2023

“This is the end of a long national nightmare!” When in truth it was the beginning! Now we have a bought Congress, corrupt Supreme Court and Judges!

electric_blue68

(14,807 posts)
50. I was a bit out of college. I was angry that he was pardoned but wasn't learned enough to consider..
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:14 PM
Mar 2023

later ramifications!

Callalily

(14,885 posts)
14. That may hold some truth,
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:05 PM
Mar 2023

but with a personality as Trump has, who totally thinks he's above the law, I don't think in his case it would matter.

KPN

(15,635 posts)
20. Yeah, in his case especially. Nevertheless, it was and is emblematic of the failures of
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:26 PM
Mar 2023

our society's justice system relative to white collar crime generally, and it seems they have only gotten worse with time. There is no question that weak response to corrupt, immoral and even illegal acts only encourages more of the same by those who feel entitled to act in those manners.

Cheezoholic

(2,004 posts)
24. Dick "Shotgun" Cheney did more to expand the power
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:31 PM
Mar 2023

and protect the office of the executive than anybody in the 20th/21st century.

soldierant

(6,785 posts)
45. The problem with "protecting the office"
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 03:00 PM
Mar 2023

is that in theory it is to protect the state. But when actually applied, it does just the opposite. By protecting a criminal office holder, it destroys the integrity of the office it is supposed to protect. One might call that a paradox.

FakeNoose

(32,556 posts)
26. If Ford hadn't agreed to the pardon, then Nixon wouldn't have resigned
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:36 PM
Mar 2023

We would have had 2.5 awful years of trying to get Nixon to leave the White House by any means possible.

FakeNoose

(32,556 posts)
31. I don't remember that, but it may be true
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:52 PM
Mar 2023

However I DO remember why Nixon selected Gerald Ford as his VP after the criminal Spiro Agnew resigned. Nixon's motive was to nominate someone that Congress would approve quickly without much fuss. Nixon also saw Ford as someone who was unlikely to be seen as his replacement, if indeed Nixon were to be impeached. He wanted Ford simply because everyone thought he was "unpresidential," and not very ambitious.

irisblue

(32,916 posts)
32. 2019 article by Professors Kevin Kruse & Julian Zelizer on this.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 01:57 PM
Mar 2023

The article was published during the first impeachment of the apricothellbeast, so it speaks to that point.

source-https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/02/04/democrats-impeach-trump-accountability-watergate-gerald-ford-richard-nixon-column/2762361002/

title-Watergate's lesson? If Democrats want to heal America, Trump must be held accountable

snip-"Accountability is essential to the long-term health of our democracy, more important than even healing the nation’s partisan divisions."

snip-"The United States learned this lesson 45 years ago. In August 1974, President Richard Nixon resigned from office in disgrace as soon as it became clear that the House would vote to impeach him for obstructing justice in the Watergate scandal and, moreover, that the Senate would likely vote to remove him from office. In a flash, Vice President Gerald Ford assumed the presidency."

snip-" On Sept. 8, 1974, Ford announced to the nation on television that he was issuing a “free, full and absolute pardon” to Nixon for any crimes he might have committed as president. Further legal investigations and prosecutions would paralyze the nation, Ford warned, as “ugly passions would again be roused, our people would again be polarized in their opinions, and the credibility of our free institutions of government would again be challenged at home and abroad.”


snip-"The nation has continued to pay for its failure to hold Nixon accountable. The divisions that Ford had hoped to paper over with his pardon have only continued to widen. Moreover, the general trend — toward a vague sense of “healing” instead of holding specific wrongdoers accountable — has only continued to erode the public’s faith in government over the ensuing decades. High-level officials in the Reagan administration clearly subverted the law in the Iran-Contra scandal but escaped any real punishment thanks to pardons from President George H.W. Bush. War crimes committed during the George W. Bush administration, meanwhile, were swept under the rug when the Obama White House refused to insist on accountability there."

more there, worth the time to read IMO

temporary311

(955 posts)
33. Not punishing Nixon,
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:02 PM
Mar 2023

or the Business Plot conspirators, or the Confederate traitors, all contributed to that. Hopefully Trump and the other Jan. 6th plotters don't get added to the list of right wing evil that our country gives a pass to.

Poiuyt

(18,112 posts)
35. In this case, I disagree
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:03 PM
Mar 2023

Donald Trump is a sociopath. He doesn't know right from wrong like a normal human.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
38. Let me fix that for you Michael.....later REPUBLICANS
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:15 PM
Mar 2023

might not have felt so licensed to break the law. There haven't been any Democrats to take this license.

LittleGirl

(8,277 posts)
40. I was 14 I think
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 02:37 PM
Mar 2023

And I was furious about Ford pardoning Nixon.
He was a crook!

And then came the biggest crook in the world! 45

chowmama

(409 posts)
48. Exactly!
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 04:04 PM
Mar 2023

I have always blamed Ford for all of this. And if Trump gets off, the next one will go all the way and we can kiss democracy goodbye.

Ford said in later life that the pardon was not only 'to spare the country', but also for 'friendship's sake'. He only found as time went on that Nixon didn't have any friends, including Ford. Nixon was incapable of friendship.

So it really was all for nothing.

rurallib

(62,373 posts)
55. said that the night Ford pardoned him and
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 06:20 PM
Mar 2023

have been saying ever since that the lesson Repugs learned was not that doing illegal stuff was bad, no - the lesson they learned was that you can get away with it.

BigmanPigman

(51,560 posts)
57. Enough people were pissed off at Ford that he wasn't elected.
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 09:24 PM
Mar 2023

That was a different time....before The Christian Right, before Fux Ruse and before social media influences.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
59. In my elementary school, teachers taught that in America "no one is above the law."
Sat Mar 18, 2023, 10:16 PM
Mar 2023

They stopped teaching that after Ford pardoned Nixon. And when I mentioned it to a current teacher, he just laughed and laughed.

cab67

(2,990 posts)
68. I've said this very thing on DU
Sun Mar 19, 2023, 11:40 AM
Mar 2023

A number of people said I was dead wrong to put any of the blame on Ford, but I stand by it.

Ford’s intent may have been different from those of Limbaugh, Gingrich, or Murdoch, but the effect was the same.

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