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RandySF

(84,329 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:14 PM Mar 2023

Florida GOP's New Anti-Trans Bill Is so Extreme It Could Ban Treatment for Breast Cancer

A Florida House of Representatives committee on Wednesday advanced an anti-trans bill that is so broad and so extreme that it could also prevent people from getting treated for breast cancer.

The bill passed the Healthcare Regulation Committee by a vote of 12-5 and now heads to the House for a vote. The measure is one of the cruelest in the country to target transgender and LGBTQ rights and care. It bans gender-affirming care for minors and would force them to medically detransition, or stop receiving treatments such as hormone therapy. But the bill’s vague wording has larger repercussions as well.

The text defines gender clinical interventions as “procedures or therapies that alter internal or external physical traits,” including surgeries that change “primary or secondary sexual characteristics.” During the debate, Democratic Representative Christine Hunschofsky pointed out that this could prevent people from getting treatment for breast cancer, as the overly broad language could apply to mastectomies.

Bill sponsor Randy Fine—who prior to being a Republican representative was a gambling industry executive, not a doctor—was surprised to learn that young people can get breast cancer.



https://newrepublic.com/post/171330/florida-gop-anti-trans-bill-extreme-ban-treatment-breast-cancer?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=EB_TNR&utm_source=Twitter

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Florida GOP's New Anti-Trans Bill Is so Extreme It Could Ban Treatment for Breast Cancer (Original Post) RandySF Mar 2023 OP
Islamic state level Matthew28 Mar 2023 #1
I'm seriously wondering why none of this shit is being challenged in court. Initech Mar 2023 #5
It's not yet a law. It can't be challenged in the courts until it is. n/t Whiskeytide Mar 2023 #18
F'ing idiots. Where do they find these people. He didn't know young people could get cancer? Biophilic Mar 2023 #2
Wait until he finds out Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #7
That will be different, I'm sure. Biophilic Mar 2023 #9
We went from 0 to Handmaid's Tale really quickly. Initech Mar 2023 #3
It's been Handmaid's Tale for some people for decades. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2023 #11
I'm sure this will all blow over. Aristus Mar 2023 #4
Does the madness ever end? EnergizedLib Mar 2023 #6
They always seem to find the bad judges. ananda Mar 2023 #8
No, it gets worse every damn day. Initech Mar 2023 #15
Would this apply to Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #10
And weight control? AncientOfDays Mar 2023 #21
I wish the media would report on what "detransition" really means... NullTuples Mar 2023 #12
This is evenworse than I realized. ShazzieB Mar 2023 #20
These new ridiculous bills are going to result in fatalities... Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #13
I believe that is the goal. Zilli Mar 2023 #16
Suicides will certainly be among those fatalities. 70sEraVet Mar 2023 #17
It also bans hormone therapy! Menopausal women will be up in arms mainer Mar 2023 #14
They're religiously-motivated liars. They don't care about facts. Oneironaut Mar 2023 #19
These people don't believe being trans is "real." ShazzieB Mar 2023 #22
A friend of mine wrote a little post gratuitous Mar 2023 #23
Just wait... Ladythatvotesblue Mar 2023 #24

Matthew28

(1,860 posts)
1. Islamic state level
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:15 PM
Mar 2023

Insanity. Please tell me that the courts will freaking stop these assholes.

Initech

(108,783 posts)
5. I'm seriously wondering why none of this shit is being challenged in court.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:40 PM
Mar 2023

Like how is the radical Christian right getting away with this bullshit? How??? These are egregious church and state, as well as free speech violations.

Biophilic

(6,552 posts)
2. F'ing idiots. Where do they find these people. He didn't know young people could get cancer?
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:32 PM
Mar 2023

WTF? Idiots.

Biophilic

(6,552 posts)
9. That will be different, I'm sure.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:33 PM
Mar 2023

Oops, they may have screwed themselves with their prohibitions against Trans people. Yes, could be a real shock.

Aristus

(72,188 posts)
4. I'm sure this will all blow over.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:39 PM
Mar 2023

After all, I keep hearing that Florida is a really, good, good, decent, very good, good state with lots and lots of very good, good decent people.

EnergizedLib

(3,043 posts)
6. Does the madness ever end?
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:41 PM
Mar 2023

I’m waiting for some sane judges to toss some of these laws.

ananda

(35,152 posts)
8. They always seem to find the bad judges.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:14 PM
Mar 2023

It really sucks, the way the courts are packed.

Initech

(108,783 posts)
15. No, it gets worse every damn day.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 10:23 PM
Mar 2023

There’s no line they won’t cross. No low is too low for them. I’m seriously convinced at this point the MAGAs would attempt mass murder if they knew they could get away with it. And Fox News would probably cheer them on.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
10. Would this apply to
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:38 PM
Mar 2023

circumcision also? Seems like it would if you follow the letter of the law.

Would it make it illegal to separate siamese twins?

AncientOfDays

(264 posts)
21. And weight control?
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:17 AM
Mar 2023

Anything that modifies internal or external physical - that's half of Medicine - most of surgery.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
12. I wish the media would report on what "detransition" really means...
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:54 PM
Mar 2023

Most of these bills - all of them I've seen so far - simply add that it's for trans people only. It's brutal & clearly discriminatory, but also an easy way to eliminate the problem of affecting anyone who is not trans. All it will take is a simple amendment. They're not worried about hiding their bigotry.

But back to detransition:

Forcing teens who have been working with a team of health care professionals to go off blockers & or hormones is horrible. Once they do, their endogenous (produced by the body) hormones will start being produced again, and they'll be forced to go through another puberty, one that does not match their identity. Depending on how old they are and how long they've been on hormone therapy, some may end up with both sets of secondary traits and have to live that way - if they can. That is cruel & inhumane.

But also, sex hormones co-regulate other body hormones. Specifically, serotonin. Many trans people start hormones and for the first time since puberty find that a number of serotonin-related body functions start working correctly again. The ongoing theory is that just like hundreds of other body part from genitals, to certain bones, to 20+ brain sites, serotonin receptors keyed to sex hormones also sometimes develop opposite a person's assigned sex/gender. Being forced to start or revert back to the "wrong" sex hormone means things like mood, sleep, thirst & hunger, immune & autoimmune, and sensory issues may not "work" correctly. Again, this is cruel & inhumane.

This is true medical "experimentation" foisted on teens for political and religious gain. It's not unfair or inaccurate to compare Republicans to Josef Mengele in that respect.

ShazzieB

(22,593 posts)
20. This is evenworse than I realized.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 10:13 AM
Mar 2023
This is true medical "experimentation" foisted on teens for political and religious gain. It's not unfair or inaccurate to compare Republicans to Josef Mengele in that respect.


And medical experimention is supposed to require informed consent. These untrained cretins are practicing medicine without a license AND forcing people to undergo medical experimentation on people without consent! God, this is absolutely horrific!

mainer

(12,554 posts)
14. It also bans hormone therapy! Menopausal women will be up in arms
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 10:20 PM
Mar 2023

According to the article hormone replacement therapy would be threatened. Wait to the Villages ladies hear that.

Oneironaut

(6,300 posts)
19. They're religiously-motivated liars. They don't care about facts.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 10:06 AM
Mar 2023

That’s the problem: you’re dealing with fundamentalists who will say whatever untruth they can to fulfill a purpose they believe is given to them by God. Many of them literally believe Trans people are the work of Satan.

They will pretend to listen, but, they don’t give a shit. Their only goal is to use the power of the state to force everyone into their narrow version of Christianity. Anyone who resists, in their opinion, is working with the Devil and should be killed.

You can’t reason with people who reduce everything to good vs. evil, where, they are always good. It’s impossible. The only thing you can do is make sure they never reach positions of power, which, we’ve failed at.

ShazzieB

(22,593 posts)
22. These people don't believe being trans is "real."
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:26 AM
Mar 2023

They really don't. They think trans kids, in particular, are just "confused."

According to their theology, God made 2 genders, male and female, and however you're born, that's what you're "supposed" to be. (Don't even ask them about intersex people; I'm sure they don't even know what that word means.) Transitioning, therefore, is going against God's will, which means it's sinful. *clue pearl clutching*

These loons believe that anatomy is destiny. If you're born with female body parts, for example, that means you're female, which also means you are only allowed to have sex with people who were born with male body parts. (Intersex? What's that?) In their eyes, trans women are really men and always will be, no matter what. Trans men, likewise, are really women.

According to them, if God gave you a penis, that means you are supposed to use it to make babies with someone who was born with a vagina (and presumably a working uterus and ovaries, although that is by no means guaranteed). If he gave you a vagina (and presumably a working uterus and ovaries, see above), that means He wants you to find someone born with a penis to make babies with. Why? Because that is God's will; how dare you defy Him! *barf*

Changing your body to make it different from how God made you is going against his will, according to these pinheads. Even though changing one's gender isn't nentioned in the Bible at all, they're pretty sure it's just as much of an an "abomination" as they believe homosexuality is, because (like homosexuality) it involves using the genitals you were born with in a way other than reproducing with someone who was born with the opposite set of genitals to yours.

People who believe all of the above regard trans people (especially trans kids) as deluded and confused. They evidently think that if they can stop trans kids from receiving gender affirming medical care, those kids will somehow come to their senses. Or ... something. I'm not clear on how that's supposed to work. But since they also believe (erroneously) that a large percentage of people who transition regret it eventually, maybe they think anyone who is denied the opportunity to transition will eventually realize that staying the sex they were assigned at birth is what they really wanted after all all. (Yeah, fat chance, nimrods, it does NOT work that way.)

I would wager that they probably even think they'll be doing trans kids a favor by preventing them om receiving general affirming care. Yes, I know how fucked up that is, but we are talking about some very fucked up people here.

I know how gross all this probably sounds. Believe me, I feel gross just from typing it. But I think it's important to know what these people believe and how they think. Thr first step in fighting something is knowing what makes it tick.


gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
23. A friend of mine wrote a little post
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:31 AM
Mar 2023

Link here.

The first station of the cross asks us to reflect on Jesus being condemned to death. I wrote the other day about Jesus being not the judge or jury, but the defendant, and how the religious leaders put the entire thing in motion. You know what religious leaders are putting into motion, right now? The condemning of trans kids to death.

Don’t believe me? Haven’t thought much about it? Start paying attention. Because all those inter-church squabbles over the last few years with “traditionalists” and “conservatives” insisting that they are only following scripture and only working to protect children and only using their ecclesial power to hold people “accountable” has, as it so often does in our near-theocratic country, bled over into legislation.

Ladythatvotesblue

(248 posts)
24. Just wait...
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 05:14 PM
Mar 2023

until one of their wives or daughters get breast cancer and cannot get the surgery to replace what is lost.
They will be as lopsided as this vile bill.

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