What the heck is wrong with Ari Melber...?

[PCIntern]

He’s telegenic, he’s a lawyer by education and degree, he’s sufficiently analytical, he’s got a network show and books very fine guests….

So he’s in the middle of a serious discussion and out pops the question: “Well, you know what Jay-Z says?”

I turned to my wife and gave two answers:

1. Yes, he said: “I just flushed my motherfucking earbuds down the fucking toilet. Fuck!”

2. (A much saner response). “No, but I know what George Bernard Shaw said….”

I know that John Oliver did a great piece on Ari but my God…it’s so lame. He needs to stop.

[enough]

1. Maybe there are people who know who Jay-Z is who never heard of George

Bernard Shaw.

[Celerity]

21. unlike Shaw was, Jay-Z is neither pro-eugenics or anti-vax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw#Beliefs_and_opinions

Shaw's expressed views were often contentious; he promoted eugenics and alphabet reform, and opposed vaccination and organised religion.

Shaw called vaccination 'a peculiarly filthy piece of witchcraft'.





Now, Jay-Z’s Made in America Festival has partnered with biometrics identification company Clear to verify attendees’ vaccination status and “expedite entry on to festival grounds.”

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/08/27/made-in-america-festival-health-pass/

Back to Made in America, though, “every attendee should enroll with” Health Pass prior to the event, festival officials also stated, emphasizing that users can equip their profiles with negative COVID tests as well as proof of vaccination. These individuals will then be eligible to utilize “Clear fast lanes” at the two-day happening, which will presumably make it easier (and quicker) for staff to check for proof of vaccination or a negative coronavirus test.

Notwithstanding organizers’ clear-cut preference for the use of Health Pass, Made in America relayed that employees will accept physical vaccination cards and printed COVID-19 test results “if you are under 18 years of age or do not have a smartphone,” with the latter classification appearing well-suited for passholders who opt to forgo utilizing the app or forget to do so. To be sure, after one uploads a vaccination card or test, “it can typically take between 1 – 2 hours for status to be verified.”

[PCIntern]

86. As you know, I was trying to make a point...

So here’s a list:

Perhaps there’s something quotable….

Michael Oakeshott (1901–1990)
Eric Voegelin (1901–1985)
Karl Popper (1902–1994)
Theodor Adorno (1903–1969)
Ayn Rand (1905–1982)
Raymond Aron (1905–1983)
Jean-Paul Sartre (1905–1980)
Hannah Arendt (1906–1975)
Sayyid Qutb (1906–1966)
Simone Weil (1909–1943)
Isaiah Berlin (1909–1997)
Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn (1909–1999)
Norberto Bobbio (1909–2004)
Albert Camus (1913–1960)
Russell Kirk (1918–1994)
Louis Althusser (1918–1990)
Murray Bookchin (1921–2006)
John Rawls (1921–2002)
Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar (1921–1990)
Cornelius Castoriadis (1922–1997)
Howard Zinn (1922–2010)
Frantz Fanon (1925–1961)
Murray Rothbard (1926–1995)
Michel Foucault (1926–1984)
Samuel P. Huntington (1927–2008)
Judith Shklar (1928–1992)
Noam Chomsky (1928–)
Jürgen Habermas (1929–)
Alasdair MacIntyre (1929–)
Bernard Williams (1929–2003)
Félix Guattari (1930–1992)
Jacques Derrida (1930–2004)
Ronald Dworkin (1931–2013)
Charles Taylor (1931–)
Guy Debord (1931–1994)
Harvey Mansfield (1932–)
Eqbal Ahmad (1933–1999)
Antonio Negri (1933–)
Ali Shariati (1933–1977)
Fredric Jameson (1934–)
Michael Walzer (1935–)
Edward Said (1935–2003)
Thomas Nagel (1937–)
Robert Nozick (1938–2002)
Jacques Rancière (1940–)
Joxe Azurmendi (1941–)
Robert D. Putnam (1941–)
Gerald Cohen (1941–2009)
Étienne Balibar (1942–)
Roger Scruton (1944–2020)
Slavoj Žižek (1947–)
Roberto Mangabeira Unger (1947–)
Samuel Edward Konkin III (1947–2004)
John Gray (1948–)
Hans-Hermann Hoppe (1949–)
Michael Sandel (1953-)
Kancha Ilaiah (1952–)
Judith Butler (1956–)
Michael Hardt (1960–)

[drbtg1]

116. I oddly expected to see Gordon Christensen on that list!

Just kidding

[PCIntern]

127. Funny!!

Or Linda Miles!

[old as dirt]

120. La bruja

witchcraft

My wife met then Senator Obama and Michelle (and Oprah) in Des Moines in December of 2007. Oprah was surprised that she was from Colombia, but Sen Obama was not. She told Sen Obama that he would be the next President, and cast a magic spell on him, to keep him safe.

I was stuck giving final exams.

This is the music that gets my mother-in-law up and dancing. She’s in her 90s.

SON DE CAPELLANIAS - LA BRUJA

CATALINA

[txwhitedove]

54. Exactly. I'm 72 and love Ari's perspective and quotes many of us haven't heard.

[ecstatic]

85. Raises hand

Actually the name is slightly familiar. Maybe he was discussed in my high school literature class? But I just googled him and none of his plays ring a bell for me.

I'm around the same age as Ari. I watch his show occasionally because it comes on after Nicolle's show. Like many other late gen-Xers/ millennials, I grew up listening to rap but Ari knows WAY more rap history/trivia than I do. Yes, it is over the top and awkward at times but that is his niche and apparently it's working for him.

[PJMcK]

2. Ari likes to quote Rap lyrics

Often, the lyrics in R&B, Rap and other styles have pearls of wisdom in them.

I think that’s what he does to show he’s hip.

I think.

[Paladin]

7. I get so tired of Ari inflicting those rap lyrics on his guests.

Invariably, they just stare back at him, not knowing what the fuck he's talking about.

Ari's getting a little old to be playing that Coolest Guy In Sixth Grade game...

[aggiesal]

60. Well he did date Alexandra Daddario ...

so yes, he's the coolest guy in 6th grade.

[Ilsa]

69. Really? I envy both of them!

She's really beautiful and talented, and I think Ari is hot.

[aggiesal]

75. I've never lied to you, as far as you know ...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-6037675/Baywatch-beauty-Alexandra-Daddario-kisses-Beat-host-Ari-Melber-lunch-date-Malibu.html

[allegorical oracle]

122. Well put. Don't mind his enthusiasm for Rap, but get uncomfortable when he interjects a

serious discussion with some lyrics that seem like nonsequiturs given the discussion that just finished. And at least some older guests are left with a "huh?" look on their faces. My reaction is that Melber just made his guest feel foolish.

[Paladin]

123. And I would feel exactly the same way...

...if Ari was repeatedly using country-western song lyrics to bring interviews to a screeching halt and make guests feel uncomfortable. Enough, already.

[Ocelot II]

3. He's got a thing for rap musicians.

I think he tries way too hard to be the Cool Dad.

[malaise]

9. He also quotes Marley, Tosh and Cliff

and lots of other non-rap artistes.

[Ocelot II]

17. I don't know who they are either.

Which is fine, but I think sometimes he embarrasses his guests who also have never heard of the folks he quotes.

[malaise]

23. I watched two of his guests this week cite lines from songs

Ari loved it. The one who surprised me the most was Nick Akerman.

[Celerity]

29. You do not know who Bob Marley is?

“Get Up, Stand Up” may be the most potent song ever about human rights and the fight to secure them.

[Ocelot II]

30. Oh, of course! I just didn't place him in the context.

Even I know who Bob Marley is!

[Celerity]

32. lol, all good, I figured that your would know as it was a reply to Malaise, my West Indian sis! lol

I am half Bajan (Barbados)

She is from Yard (Jamaica)

She has Bob Marley for her icon.

[old as dirt]

67. Here's a religious tune by Bob Marley.

She has Bob Marley for her icon.

It's a Catholic tune. (And the only tune in English.)

2.4 El Palenque del El Castigo


“Stolen from Africa, brought to American,
Fighting on arrival, fighting for survival.”

Bob Marley

En la época colonial muchos esclavizados o cimarrones conformaron grupos en las
montañas, y de manera espontánea fueron tomando conciencia de grupo hasta que se
convirtieron en apalencados y fundaron poblados autónomos llamados palenques. En
los primeros momentos de rebeldía fueron los bozales o recién llegados quienes unidos
en pequeñas bandas huyeron hacia los montes.

(page 44)

RELIGIOSIDAD AFROPATIANA
Funerales de Angelitos: Arrullos

Trabajo presentado para optar por el título de Historiador

Presentado por:
JUAN DAVID QUINTERO ARBELAEZ

PDF: https://repository.javeriana.edu.co/bitstream/handle/10554/6623/tesis149.pdf

Bob Marley & The Wailers - Buffalo Soldier (Official Music Video)

[old as dirt]

68. Ambajadoras de paz

(Timestamp 1:40)

Crónica Cantaoras del Patia

Parentesco, co-parentesco y clientismo en el surgimiento de las guerrillas en el Valle del Patía, 1536 - 1811

by Francisco U. Zuluaga

https://historiayespacio.univalle.edu.co/index.php/historia_y_espacio/article/view/6785/9276 (pdf)

La tozudez y la fiereza con que los guerreros patianos de­fendieron el estandarte realista, entronizaron al Patía y sus gentes en las categorfas de lo más bárbaro, cruel y salvaje que haya podido darse en la historia de Colombia.

---------------------------

The stubbornness and fierceness with which the warriors from Patía defended the royalist banner, enthroned the Patía and its people in the categories of the most barbaric, cruel and savage that could have occurred in the history of Colombia.

son del tuno-popayán

[milestogo]

4. Apparently he's trying to appeal to a segment of the population

that is not well represented on DU.

I don't like it either, but it no longer bothers me.

[tishaLA]

47. One might wonder why the base of the current Democratic Party

isn't well-represented on DU

[old as dirt]

119. I don't wonder. (nt)

[uponit7771]

76. +1,

[Ellipsis]

5. ...well it is called the "beat"

https://hiphopdx.com/news/id.65833/title.dj-premier-havoc-other-hip-hop-legends-help-msnbcs-ari-melber-celebrate-history-making-show

[TheBlackAdder]

34. THIS! 👍

[Ellipsis]

35. Hah!

THX

[TheBlackAdder]

46. On his show, Ari often says that he mixes hip hop and rap lyrics and references into its content.

[old as dirt]

70. What's important is to come correct.

La cultura mayor has taught us all that disrespect is the default, and that respect must be earned.

As a life-long (non-fundamentalist) atheist, I contend that it is just the opposite.

Respect is the default, and it is disrespect that must be earned.

Successful cross-cultural communication and multiculturalism requires respect.

Here's a university student from the city, who as part of her studies, in an experiment in multiculturalism, wants to create a fusion hip-hop / bambuco patiano music video. What is important for white folks (and others) to note here is that she comes correct, with respect for another culture (a state within a state). She takes the time to learn about the music, the culture, the history, and the religion of another culture, recognizing that she is walking onto hallowed territory, sacred territory.

The last 3 minutes or so have the resulting music video.

Black folks have a lot to teach us all about respect, if only the rest of us are willing to learn.

BAMBUCO PATIANO 2010
(Audio generated closed captions in the language of our choice.)

ARETHA FRANKLIN SINGS "RESPECT" LIVE 1967!

[malaise]

6. Ari is younger than most of us

I have no problem with his approach- all my US nieces and nephews get what he’s doing.
He’s building a nice diverse base. They need to watch him way more than we old folks.
I’m a big fan. He walks the walk.

[Celerity]

31. +1

[malaise]

33. Hey you

[Celerity]

41. Peter Tosh & The Wailers - Downpresser (Upsetter Records) [1971]

Label: Upsetter Records (3) – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Reggae

[Just A Box Of Rain]

91. I had the great pleasure to see Peter Tosh six times (in one week) back in 1978.

He played 4 shows at a little club called the Starwood in W Hollywood, early and late shows on two nights. I attended all of them. Stood so close I could touch him. In fact he passed me a huge spliff, that then made the rounds, and the last bit eventually came back to me (and I saved in in a frame for years with a ticket a picture and the sticker from Legalize It.

The third night Bob Marley played the Starlight Amphitheater in Burbank. Towards the end of the show, Peter Tosh surprised everyone (including Marley, from my understanding) by joining Bob onstage to sing Get Up Stand Up. I was out of my head, asking people around me--who mostly seemed oblivious--if they saw what was happening here? I belive this was the one and only time Tosh and Marley played together outside of Jamaica after the (original) Wailers broke up.

Then a couple days later, I saw him open for the Stones.

Loved Peter Tosh.

Not sure about this "P. Touch" fellow though. The Brother Corporation may want to have a word. LOL

[Celerity]

104. JA & UK producers used all sorts of alt spellings for him (real name is Winston Hubert McIntosh)

https://www.discogs.com/artist/88495-Peter-Tosh






Label: Island Records – WI-215
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM, Single, Solid Centre
Country: UK
Released: 1965
Genre: Reggae
Style: Ska

Label: Mu-Zik City Records – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1964
Genre: Reggae
Style: Ska




Label: Jogib Records – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM, Single
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Reggae





Label: Pressure Beat – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Reggae




Label: Shock (4) – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Roots Reggae

[Just A Box Of Rain]

106. Do you suppose that I am unaware of Peter Tosh's given name?

I can assure you that's not the case.

[Celerity]

107. Other people may not know, this whole bifurcated reggae divergence started when a poster said

they did not know who Tosh (and two others, Marley and Jimmy Cliff) was.

You yourself apparently did not know the background of the alternative name spelling on the first Tosh 7-inch single and video I put up:

Not sure about this "P. Touch" fellow though. The Brother Corporation may want to have a word. LOL

I try to be somewhat thorough when I post explanations.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

108. No, I made a joke. Perhaps it went over your head?

I've been a fan of a man (who died a decade before you were born) for 50 years. But thanks anyway.

[Celerity]

110. The entire thing is quite innocuous, and I certainly came bearing no malice or ill intent towards

you or anyone else.

[old as dirt]

125. We got to see Grupo Niche in concert once.

It was in Kansas City. They invited up backstage with then during the break, and after the concert, we hung out with the band in the parking lot until 4am in the morning.

GRUPO NICHE MI MACHETE

Himno De Fe Y Alegria - Grupo Niche (Hymn of Faith and Happiness)

América de Cali Campeón liga águila 2019-2 (Himno de Fe y Alegría-Grupo Niche y Rojo-Son de Cali)

Himno De Fe y Alegría ( Edición America Campeón 15 ⭐ 2019 ~ 2020 ~ Bicampeón

[Just A Box Of Rain]

133. Nice.

Speaking of machetes, I once saved a young woman from being sexually assaulted in an alley by a gang here in Los Angeles by going in with my freshly-sharpened machete and pulling her out of there.

One of the crazier incidents of my life, but sometimes one needs to do what one needs to do.

[old as dirt]

134. My wife keeps three machetes under the bed.

She uses them for yard work and tending to her flower garden. It's a part of her religion (Catholic).

She's pretty good with them, actually.

My mother-in-law only has two machetes under her bed.

Sur Real - Machete y Bordón (Capítulo completo)

(Audio-generated closed captions in the language of your choice)

[Just A Box Of Rain]

135. I keep one (in a sheath) tucked between my mattress and bed-spring with just the handle

sticking out, just in case.

I also us mine for yard work.

The original one, that I employed to save the young woman, I used to use to trim the banana trees that I planted at a little house that I was renting in W. Los Angeles. I was just coming home from having it sharpened, when I saw the the girl being jumped out of the corner of my eyes, so I spun my Trooper around, pulled that machete out, and got her the heck out of there.

Still feels "surreal."

Sounds like you married into an interesting family. Congratulations.

[old as dirt]

136. We had a derecho here in Iowa a while back.

There were trees uprooted all over the place, some of which came crashing down on houses.

My wife was out walking, and one of our neighbors were stuck in the bedroom after a tree came crashing down, so she came back home to get one of her machetes to help cut the branches and clear the brush so they could get out.

[Ellipsis]

36. the thing that freaks me out about Ari is he can grow is his facial hair.

That dude can grow a full beard In 48 hrs.


...versus me and 48 years.

[malaise]

40. ROFL

😀😀😀😀

[uponit7771]

77. +1,

[old as dirt]

10. I know what ChocQuibTown said.

ChocQuibTown - Salsa & Choke (Official Video) ft. Ñejo

ChocQuibTown - De Donde Vengo Yo (Official Music Video)

[Judi Lynn]

16. Infectious songs, old as dirt. I wondered if "De Donde Vengo Yo" was filmed in Buenaventura...

Saw the houses on the water, thought of that place instantly! Pretty rough town, I've read!

The music is amazing, the dancers have to be indefatigable! It's neat they also have a female singer in the band.

Thank you for posting the songs.

[old as dirt]

26. Goyo is from Condoto, Chocó

Chocó is the department just north of Valle. They seem to like her in her home town.

Cuando la Goyo de Chocquibtown llora

ChocQuibTown - Condoto

ChocQuibTown - Invencible (Official Video)

ChocQuibTown - Oro (Official Music Video)

[old as dirt]

44. Buenaventura is about an hour drive from Cali.

But you have to go over the western mountain range to get there. We were going to visit a while back (maybe 15 -20 years ago), but we had to cancel at the last minute because unfortunately about 1200 people were heading in the opposite direction from somewhere in between, and we didn't want to go against the flow.

Here's an old cumbia about Buenaventura, and a couple of videos filmed there.

Mi Buenaventura - Leonor Gonzalez Mina "La Negra Grande De Colombia" | Cumbia

Canalón De Timbiquí - Que Pena (Vïdeo Oficial)

ChocQuibTown - Somos los Prietos (Official Video) ft. Alexis Play

[Judi Lynn]

79. Great hearing the wooden marimba instruments, although very musical, they have great softness.

It's an intriguing effect. It's so different seeing wooden "keys" on the thing, very cool.

Loved the photography, the vivid colors, and such interesting people.

I would think you'd really have to know what you're doing to survive in Buenaventura, after all the news articles I've read about the town over the last 10 years, at least. It does look like a really interesting town, and an important port city.

Thanks for the videos.

[old as dirt]

124. The marimba...

Last edited Fri Mar 24, 2023, 09:29 AM - Edit history (2)

...is used a lot in Cauca. Timbiquí is along the Pacific coast of Cauca, so it is the instrument that both Canalón de Timbiquí and Herencia de Timbiquí is based around.

Herencia de Timbiquí - Sabrás (Vídeo Oficial)

Herencia de Timbiqui - Amanecé

Te invito - Herencia de Timbiquí (video oficial)

Qué Será, Herencia de Timbiquí Ft. Rubén Blades - Vídeo Oficial

Herencia de Timbiqui Feat Disney Flow - La Vamo a Tumba (Video Oficial)

Qué Será, Herencia de Timbiquí Ft. Rubén Blades - Vídeo Letra

Vive a tu manera - Herencia de Timbiquí ( Video Oficial)

Herencia de Timbiqui Feat Disney Flow - La Vamo a Tumba (Video Oficial)

Herencia de Timbiqui - Vengo del Pacifico (Video Oficial)

[old as dirt]

52. In "De Donde Vengo Yo" I noticed a sign "Rio Quito".

A lot of music videos with scenery will show a sign at some point. It's definitely filmed in Chocó.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADo_Quito

[Judi Lynn]

78. It's good and helpful to hear that, will keep an eye out. Have seen the name repeatedly. n/t

[old as dirt]

132. Here's another group from Cauca.

As you can see from the sign flashed at the start in the first video, he's in his home town of Guapi.

I always keep an eye out for signs.

Grupo Bahía-Te Vengo a Cantar

El Dolor De Mis Ancestros - Grupo Bahía

Remanso Inicial - Grupo Bahía

Grupo Bahía. Mi Buenaventura

[Baked Potato]

11. IMO, Ari keeps a select portion of the base engaged,

that’s cool with me.

[Hortensis]

105. Good, if he's helping keep "a select portion" of voters engaged.

"It takes a nation." We need us all.

Fwiw, though, "the Democratic base," by definition, are solid and self-committed to their ideals and goals and to voting reliably election after election to further them. Tens of millions of people who know what they stand for and against, and why. The base.

[Baked Potato]

117. Yes, I think Ari does Democrats well...

[nolabear]

12. Nothing. He likes rap and is liked by folks who do.

I started out thinking he was a bit too schticky with it but over time I’ve seen rappers, young guests, black guests, and various others treat him with the kind of amused respect they’d have for a dorky friend. He gets considerably further with them. If you’ve seen him grill anyone as he did with that fool lawyer the other day he is good with holding them to account.

I’m all for appreciating allies, no matter what their oddness might be.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. He has a whole set of side-programming with entertainment figures

"Mavericks" - https://www.nbcnews.com/think/melber-mavericks

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDIVi-vBsOEz2F56lPDjtZbcUzfP3E8Io

It's almost like he's building himself into a modern version of Larry King (but is still at the embryonic stage of that process) by getting to "personally" interact with some of the biggest celebrities in the music world.

[hlthe2b]

14. When he books exceedingly accomplished experts whose lives certainly have not likely included

much Rap and Hip Hop Music--or at least not sufficiently to play his "name that lyric" game I just cringe through my bones. Most guests are too polite to even give him the "look" he deserves.

Yes, he's skilled otherwise and I don't mind and often appreciate the array of guests he brings on from that and other musical genres. Still, when he interrupts totally unrelated discussions to interject lines out of context, it just seems rude.

[XanaDUer2]

28. This nt

[inthewind21]

89. How do you

KNOW their lives haven't included any hip hop or rap? Pretty big assumption there to claim you know by just seeing an interview. Barack Obama is pretty damn accomplished, but he can sing a mean Al Green and is pretty hip.

[hlthe2b]

93. I don't but music is not the subject for which they were booked to discuss. So assuming they would

know lyrical references to rap, the Beatles, country music or any other genre is no more appropriate than assuming all his guests are experts in biblical text or the lesser-known works of Shakespeare or poems of Wordsworth, or works of the great Greek and Roman scholars. Interjecting such content into the totally unrelated complex and serious discussion only serves to make Ari look like a preening jackass--no matter what the unrelated reference he seeks to interject.

[inthewind21]

109. Oh

So you think the people he books are dumb and don't know who he is. Got it.

[hlthe2b]

111. Keep your inaccurate and accusatory snark to yourself. No one here said such a thing.

and you damned well know it. I have no desire to fight with you--especially when you are being disingenuous. So bye.

[hlthe2b]

98. The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO.

And IF they do, the way to do so is to preface the interjection with the fact that they have had some prior discussions and he knows they too are fans of ... (i.e., whatever genre music and lyrics or other textual lines he wants to quote). Then there is context and not merely a distracting comment.

[Cheezoholic]

15. He quotes plenty of Robert Hunter among others too

I'm sick of people bitchin' about Ari and Rap. Freakin liberal Archie Bunkers, geez!

[inthewind21]

90. Exactly

[Meowmee]

18. My main problem

Is with him bringing on right wing idiots and letting them blab their crap non stop. He is terrible imo at debating / managing them. The rap stuff is weird and out of sequence a lot of the time. Mostly I could care less what these people think about anything. While arts can be a way to make statements most people involved in it are not that bright and many have a lot of crazy views.

I saw him yesterday and today because someone else was watching. Otherwise I never watch any news anymore except here and there for five seconds or so, then I switch to something else because I like to have something in the background while I do other things, or I turn it off.

We are thinking of stopping the cable and I wonder what else will be cheaper to still get the channels I do watch.

[Ilsa]

84. YouTubeTv might be more affordable, but you'll need unlimited data

from your ISP. Lots of "depends on" though.

[Meowmee]

115. Thanks 😀

I’ll check it out.

[IcyPeas]

19. doesn't really bother me

yeah, often his guests don't know who he's talking about.... so maybe he's enlightening some of his guests.

lots of people quote other people....

meh

[JustAnotherGen]

20. I know the quotes

Doesn't bother me - I'm 50.

[Celerity]

25. you are a babe in a pram by DU standards, lolol

dog knows what I am

26yo

long in the future gleam in my parent's eyes?

[malaise]

37. The thing is we have been exposed to way more global music including American music

than most Americans.
Once you young folks get it, I’m good to go. 😀

[Celerity]

56. an insane amount of rare, hard to find music is on of the best things about the internet

I can find 99% of things I look for (and a lot of the things I look for are HARD AF to find, lol, a lot is not even on YT, so I have to go to Soulseek (the oldest version, it is still up and has so much lost gold, especially electronic and punk and old ska and old jazz) or other places and download it).

I also discover many bands and songs I would have never heard of if not for the net. My oldest brother taught me how to download when I was 5 in 2002, lol (I could already read quite well by then). Napster had already shut down by then (he was pissed!) Been doing it ever since, especially as I grew older. I was also lucking becuase other my me, the rest of my family was truly musically gifted (well my younger brother not so much, but he thought he was the worlds greatest DJ, lol, he was shite, unlike my oldest brother, lol)-

Of course, growing up in London, I was exposed in real life to a shedload of music that never really caught on in the US for ages.

early grime, for instance (mummy HATED me listening to it!, but me bruv would feed my thirst with CD mixes he burnt, lol)

N.A.S.T.Y Ft. Crazy Titch, D Double E, Hyper, & Riko Dan - Cock Back

Label: After Shock – ASF003
Format: Vinyl, 12", Limited Edition
Country: UK
Released: Sept 2003
Genre: Electronic
Style: Grime

[malaise]

59. +1,000

Nice links

[old as dirt]

58. Ha! We'll be celebrating our 26th anniversary this summer.

(My first marriage only lasted 19 years.)

You were born the same year that IIRAIRA was passed. (This is the law that created Steve King and his sidekick tfg.)

They tried to kick us out of the country with a 10 year ban on applying for reentry.

The law that broke US immigration

[Celerity]

63. that was bad legislation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_Immigration_Reform_and_Immigrant_Responsibility_Act_of_1996#Impact

Impact

A 2018 paper found that the Act reduced the health and mental health outcomes of Latin-American undocumented immigrants in the United States by escalating their fear that they would be deported.

In addition, this policy has been criticized by the Journal on Migration and Human Security for imposing overwhelming hurdles on refugees seeking asylum in the United States. These hurdles, such as mandatory detention and application deadlines, are argued to undermine the obligations the United States has under the Refugee Convention Protocols of 1967.

Furthermore, a paper in the Journal on Migration and Human Security analyzed a 2011 test conducted by the Migration Policy Institute aimed at exploring any negative externalities the 287(g) program had on the communities of Frederick County, Maryland. The journal found that, after recording arrests by the Frederick County Sheriff's Office, there was evidence pointing towards racial profiling against Hispanics in the area. The scope of the law's authority was judged by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2022 Biden v. Texas ruling, which found in a 5-4 decision that the President had the direct authority to regulate the law's Migrant Protection Protocols without approval from Congress.

HEALTH AND MENTAL HEALTH EFFECTS OF LOCAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w24487/w24487.pdf

How the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 Has Undermined US Refugee Protection Obligations and Wasted Government Resources

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/233150241700500207

From IIRIRA to Trump: Connecting the Dots to the Current US Immigration Policy Crisis

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2331502418786718

[old as dirt]

66. The stuff about refugees goes way back.

Most palenques were destroyed, because they set a bad example, but when the colonialists were unable to destroy a palenque (they were very difficult and dangerous to destroy, according to historians), they entered into treaties that sought to control their immigration/refugee policies.

I've bolded the references to refugees. (The Wikipedia article has a big blooper later on, where it asserts that there are no other surviving palenques. My wife's palenque survives to this day as well.)

If you ever visit Cartagena, be sure to allot a couple of days to swing by Palenque de San Basilio. It's very close, and no visit to Cartagena is complete without it.

San Basilio de Palenque

Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Basilio_de_Palenque

San Basilio de Palenque or Palenque de San Basilio, often referred to by the locals simply as Palenke, is a Palenque village and corregimiento in the Municipality of Mahates, Bolivar in northern Colombia. Palenque was the first free African town in the Americas, and in 2005 was declared a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity by UNESCO.[1]

History

Spaniards introduced enslaved Africans in South America through the Magdalena River Valley. Its mouth is close to the important port of Cartagena de Indias where ships full of Africans arrived. Some Africans escaped and set up Palenque de San Basilio, a town close to Cartagena. This community began in 1619, when Domingo Biohó led a group of about 30 runaways into the forests, and defeated attempts to subdue them. Biohó declared himself King Benkos, and his palenque of San Basilio attracted large numbers of runaways to join his community. His Maroons defeated the first expedition sent against them, killing their leader Juan Gómez. The Spanish arrived at terms with Biohó, but later they captured him, accused him of plotting against the Spanish, and had him hanged.[2]

They tried to free all enslaved Africans arriving at Cartagena and were quite successful. Therefore, the Spanish Crown issued a Royal Decree (1691), guaranteeing freedom to the Palenque de San Basilio Africans if they stopped welcoming new escapees. But runaways continued to escape to freedom in San Basilio. In 1696, the colonial authorities subdued another rebellion there, and between 1713-7. Eventually, the Spanish agreed to peace terms with the palenque of San Basilio, and in 1772, this community of maroons was included within the Mahates district, as long they no longer accepted any further runaways

African roots in Latin America: Palenque (Colombia) | Armin Schwegler | TEDxUCIrvine

LA TIERRA PROMETIDA, CARLOS VIVES, CARTAGENA DE INDIAS, COLOMBIA, TURISMO

[NewDayOranges]

22. Ari has stated that he specializes in first amendment law...

I'm guessing his services were retained by many rappers, singers, authors and stand-up comedians in his past and perhaps spent hours poring over rap and song lyrics and comic riffs...

Just guessing...

[malaise]

43. You are correct

[RussBLib]

24. his quotes are usually relevant to the discussion

probably more than usually

[XanaDUer2]

27. The worst is when he refers to something

Or someone his guests don't know. There's an awkward silence and they all just sit there looking at the camera.

[SayItLoud]

38. He's trying to be relevant to a demo that doesn't watch TV. NT

[Duppers]

73. They most likely do not watch MSNBC.

Or any editorial news programs.

[rickford66]

39. These interviews usually end when the host says we're running out of time.

Ari interrupts the interviews and wastes valuable time doing his rap thing. I wish he would quit the rap stuff.

[housecat]

42. That's what fast forward on recorded shows is for. I have no interest in rap, but many others do.

Cool with me. They can enjoy it while I fast forward segments.

[tishaLA]

45. I'm sure some would be happier if he quoted the Beatles

or some other old timey whites.

[Beatlelvr]

64. As a matter of fact

I would.

[inthewind21]

94. Well ,he has

It's not always just rap and hip hop. But clearly that's ALL that stands out to some.

[inthewind21]

92. That's

The vibe I'm getting. Telling huh.

[Joinfortmill]

48. He's very popular, but not my 'cup of tea' as my old Scottish grandma used to say.

[iemanja]

49. That's exactly why I can't stand him

He thinks he's so cool, and he just comes off as a dweeb. He ruins the news with that crap. I find him unwatchable.

[inthewind21]

96. Well

his ratings prove otherwise.

[iemanja]

113. Why in his ratings say I have to like him?

I shared my personal views. That has nothing to do with ratings. I don't subscribe to hive mind.

[Paladin]

101. +1000. (nt)

[shanti]

50. I cut him some slack for

a lot of the questionable stuff, because, well, he's eye candy imo

[Liberal In Texas]

51. I like Ari a whole bunch. His being a fan-boy to music he likes sometimes seems a bit

overdone, but it's mostly in the last segment of the show and I can live with that.

[Beastly Boy]

53. Ari used to be hip

At least he thinks so. And he is missing the good times.

But in this instance, I got a kick out of his quoting Jay-Z. It was pretty relevant. In discussing Trump with his guest, he quoted the line "“I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man”, which fitted pretty well with their discussion of a Trump-signed check constituting a business record, and how stupid it was for Trump to personally sign it.

I think his guest got a kick out of it too.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

55. As a lawyer, I used to like Ari's show because he does an okay job on the legal analysis

I can stand some dumb down legal analysis but I am tired of the rap music references

[Hawaii Hiker]

57. I just think Ari

is one of those people who always has to be the center of attention, makes the jokes (some work, some don't) he craves the limelight.

[Drum]

61. The show is called The Beat with Ari Melber.

[Marthe48]

62. I don't like the music references he makes

I think it detracts from the seriousness of the subject matter. It's like we were in court and he breaks into a song in the middle of a legal presentation.

And other things.

[hlthe2b]

81. Yes. It is the interjection totally out of context with guests who obviously don't follow that...

is so problematic. No one wants to watch guests be embarrassed nor have a very serious discussion derailed that way. Those who are misinterpreting the critical comments toward Ari are missing the point--at least for me. I like that he has musical segments/interviews of performers in the show. But intermixing (by interjecting song lyrics) in a way that derails the subject matter at hand or creates confusion for both guest and audience is not the way to do it.

[DET]

65. "I'm Not A Businessman, I'm A Business, Man."

I liked it - thought it was clever.

[Duppers]

71. My hubby has been saying this for the longest time.

Thank you.

I'm sure Rachel has never quoted a rapper.

[jcgoldie]

74. Hey you kids... get off my lawn.

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[inthewind21]

97. Right

[Deminpenn]

80. Rap and hip hop is the music from Melber's youth

He was born in 1980. It's what he grew up listening to, no different from the relationship many DU'ers have with early rock 'n roll, the Beatles, Motown, etc.

I do think he interjects the rap lyrics/rapper references at inappropriate times because it's clear when his guests are too old to have listened to rap or have more than a passing knowledge of who these rappers/hip hop artists are.

[malaise]

82. I remember reading about some of the big time musicians who attended Ari's

high school.
Then there's this

https://tvovermind.com/ari-melber/

[inthewind21]

99. Seriously?

Exactly what is "too old" to have listened to rap? The stereo typing and wild assumptions gong on in this tread is astounding.

[hlthe2b]

102. No. The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO.

And IF they do, the way to do so is to preface the interjection with the fact that they have had some prior discussions and he knows they too are fans of ... (i.e., whatever genre music and lyrics or other textual lines he wants to quote). Then there is context and not merely a distracting comment that derails the discussion.

[inthewind21]

112. And you

are ASSUMING the people he books aren't aware of who he is and have no clue at all a song lyric might come up before the interview is done. Unless of course you are making the claim that his guests inform you personally of their shock over a song lyric. So, do carry on with your lecture about "problematic assumptions."

[Deminpenn]

121. Yes

My obseration and experience is that after a certain age, your taste in music gets kind of set in stone. You don't really listen to or are interested in new music or the artists who make it.

[iemanja]

114. We all grow up with music of one genre or another

I don't interject it when I'm doing my job. I can't imagine anyone would care. Why would Melber? He does it because he thinks it makes him look cool, only it doesn't.

[ParishPolitique]

83. It's incredibly awkward and forced and is the main reason I don't watch his show.

The other being that, for a lawyer, seldom does a better job explaining legal stuff than your average non-lawyer MSNBC host.

[Paladin]

87. Congrats for nailing Ari so well.

"Incredibly awkward and forced" is a perfect description. Extra credit for calling attention to how seldom his Cornell law training is evident.

[hlthe2b]

103. re: "for a lawyer, seldom does a better job explaining legal stuff than your average non-lawyer host

And when he tries, he bends so over backward to explain the counterview of the opponents--giving it such equal weight it defeats the entire analysis. Not all things are equal and it should fall to him to make the distinction-- discussing the weakness of both POV.

He can do a good job holding some of the RW attorneys, pundits, and other apologists' feet to the fire. I give him that. But unfortunately, he does so only after the audience's eyes have probably rolled back in their heads from the litany of RW memes and false claims.

[inthewind21]

88. Clearly

You don't watch him often. He very frequently uses lyrics from songs that relate to what's being discussed.

[PCIntern]

100. I watch him nearly every day

What in my post would lead you to believe that I don’t watch him routinely?

[dawg]

95. That's the music he loves.

I'd probably talk about Yes and Genesis all the time.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

118. All politics can be related to the lyrics of Rick Astley.

Be glad I'm not on television.

[Wednesdays]

126. It depends on the topic of discussion

If the topic was about Jay-Z, then what Jay-Z says would be relevant.

Any other topic, what Jay-Z says is not relevant.

[PCIntern]

128. This is from Ari's show:

[Carlitos Brigante]

129. Gotta disagree with him here. Brand Nubian said "You gotta love or leave me alone.." first. Who's

the "rap genius" now?@!

[PCIntern]

130. 😁👍

[Carlitos Brigante]

131. .