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PCIntern

(26,744 posts)
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:21 PM Mar 2023

What the heck is wrong with Ari Melber...?

He’s telegenic, he’s a lawyer by education and degree, he’s sufficiently analytical, he’s got a network show and books very fine guests….

So he’s in the middle of a serious discussion and out pops the question: “Well, you know what Jay-Z says?”

I turned to my wife and gave two answers:

1. Yes, he said: “I just flushed my motherfucking earbuds down the fucking toilet. Fuck!”

2. (A much saner response). “No, but I know what George Bernard Shaw said….”

I know that John Oliver did a great piece on Ari but my God…it’s so lame. He needs to stop.

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What the heck is wrong with Ari Melber...? (Original Post) PCIntern Mar 2023 OP
Maybe there are people who know who Jay-Z is who never heard of George enough Mar 2023 #1
unlike Shaw was, Jay-Z is neither pro-eugenics or anti-vax Celerity Mar 2023 #21
As you know, I was trying to make a point... PCIntern Mar 2023 #86
I oddly expected to see Gordon Christensen on that list! drbtg1 Mar 2023 #116
Funny!! PCIntern Mar 2023 #127
La bruja old as dirt Mar 2023 #120
Exactly. I'm 72 and love Ari's perspective and quotes many of us haven't heard. txwhitedove Mar 2023 #54
Raises hand ecstatic Mar 2023 #85
Ari likes to quote Rap lyrics PJMcK Mar 2023 #2
I get so tired of Ari inflicting those rap lyrics on his guests. Paladin Mar 2023 #7
Well he did date Alexandra Daddario ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #60
Really? I envy both of them! Ilsa Mar 2023 #69
I've never lied to you, as far as you know ... aggiesal Mar 2023 #75
Well put. Don't mind his enthusiasm for Rap, but get uncomfortable when he interjects a allegorical oracle Mar 2023 #122
And I would feel exactly the same way... Paladin Mar 2023 #123
He's got a thing for rap musicians. Ocelot II Mar 2023 #3
He also quotes Marley, Tosh and Cliff malaise Mar 2023 #9
I don't know who they are either. Ocelot II Mar 2023 #17
I watched two of his guests this week cite lines from songs malaise Mar 2023 #23
You do not know who Bob Marley is? Celerity Mar 2023 #29
Oh, of course! I just didn't place him in the context. Ocelot II Mar 2023 #30
lol, all good, I figured that your would know as it was a reply to Malaise, my West Indian sis! lol Celerity Mar 2023 #32
Here's a religious tune by Bob Marley. old as dirt Mar 2023 #67
Ambajadoras de paz old as dirt Mar 2023 #68
Apparently he's trying to appeal to a segment of the population milestogo Mar 2023 #4
One might wonder why the base of the current Democratic Party tishaLA Mar 2023 #47
I don't wonder. (nt) old as dirt Mar 2023 #119
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2023 #76
...well it is called the "beat" Ellipsis Mar 2023 #5
THIS! 👍 TheBlackAdder Mar 2023 #34
Hah! Ellipsis Mar 2023 #35
On his show, Ari often says that he mixes hip hop and rap lyrics and references into its content. TheBlackAdder Mar 2023 #46
What's important is to come correct. old as dirt Mar 2023 #70
Ari is younger than most of us malaise Mar 2023 #6
+1 Celerity Mar 2023 #31
Hey you malaise Mar 2023 #33
Peter Tosh & The Wailers - Downpresser (Upsetter Records) [1971] Celerity Mar 2023 #41
I had the great pleasure to see Peter Tosh six times (in one week) back in 1978. Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #91
JA & UK producers used all sorts of alt spellings for him (real name is Winston Hubert McIntosh) Celerity Mar 2023 #104
Do you suppose that I am unaware of Peter Tosh's given name? Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #106
Other people may not know, this whole bifurcated reggae divergence started when a poster said Celerity Mar 2023 #107
No, I made a joke. Perhaps it went over your head? Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #108
The entire thing is quite innocuous, and I certainly came bearing no malice or ill intent towards Celerity Mar 2023 #110
We got to see Grupo Niche in concert once. old as dirt Mar 2023 #125
Nice. Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #133
My wife keeps three machetes under the bed. old as dirt Mar 2023 #134
I keep one (in a sheath) tucked between my mattress and bed-spring with just the handle Just A Box Of Rain Mar 2023 #135
We had a derecho here in Iowa a while back. old as dirt Mar 2023 #136
the thing that freaks me out about Ari is he can grow is his facial hair. Ellipsis Mar 2023 #36
ROFL malaise Mar 2023 #40
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2023 #77
This message was self-deleted by its author Comfortably_Numb Mar 2023 #8
I know what ChocQuibTown said. old as dirt Mar 2023 #10
Infectious songs, old as dirt. I wondered if "De Donde Vengo Yo" was filmed in Buenaventura... Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #16
Goyo is from Condoto, Chocó old as dirt Mar 2023 #26
Buenaventura is about an hour drive from Cali. old as dirt Mar 2023 #44
Great hearing the wooden marimba instruments, although very musical, they have great softness. Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #79
The marimba... old as dirt Mar 2023 #124
In "De Donde Vengo Yo" I noticed a sign "Rio Quito". old as dirt Mar 2023 #52
It's good and helpful to hear that, will keep an eye out. Have seen the name repeatedly. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2023 #78
Here's another group from Cauca. old as dirt Mar 2023 #132
IMO, Ari keeps a select portion of the base engaged, Baked Potato Mar 2023 #11
Good, if he's helping keep "a select portion" of voters engaged. Hortensis Mar 2023 #105
Yes, I think Ari does Democrats well... Baked Potato Mar 2023 #117
Nothing. He likes rap and is liked by folks who do. nolabear Mar 2023 #12
He has a whole set of side-programming with entertainment figures BumRushDaShow Mar 2023 #13
When he books exceedingly accomplished experts whose lives certainly have not likely included hlthe2b Mar 2023 #14
This nt XanaDUer2 Mar 2023 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Mar 2023 #72
How do you inthewind21 Mar 2023 #89
I don't but music is not the subject for which they were booked to discuss. So assuming they would hlthe2b Mar 2023 #93
Oh inthewind21 Mar 2023 #109
Keep your inaccurate and accusatory snark to yourself. No one here said such a thing. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #111
The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #98
He quotes plenty of Robert Hunter among others too Cheezoholic Mar 2023 #15
Exactly inthewind21 Mar 2023 #90
My main problem Meowmee Mar 2023 #18
YouTubeTv might be more affordable, but you'll need unlimited data Ilsa Mar 2023 #84
Thanks 😀 Meowmee Mar 2023 #115
doesn't really bother me IcyPeas Mar 2023 #19
I know the quotes JustAnotherGen Mar 2023 #20
you are a babe in a pram by DU standards, lolol Celerity Mar 2023 #25
The thing is we have been exposed to way more global music including American music malaise Mar 2023 #37
an insane amount of rare, hard to find music is on of the best things about the internet Celerity Mar 2023 #56
+1,000 malaise Mar 2023 #59
Ha! We'll be celebrating our 26th anniversary this summer. old as dirt Mar 2023 #58
that was bad legislation Celerity Mar 2023 #63
The stuff about refugees goes way back. old as dirt Mar 2023 #66
Ari has stated that he specializes in first amendment law... NewDayOranges Mar 2023 #22
You are correct malaise Mar 2023 #43
his quotes are usually relevant to the discussion RussBLib Mar 2023 #24
The worst is when he refers to something XanaDUer2 Mar 2023 #27
He's trying to be relevant to a demo that doesn't watch TV. NT SayItLoud Mar 2023 #38
They most likely do not watch MSNBC. Duppers Mar 2023 #73
These interviews usually end when the host says we're running out of time. rickford66 Mar 2023 #39
That's what fast forward on recorded shows is for. I have no interest in rap, but many others do. housecat Mar 2023 #42
I'm sure some would be happier if he quoted the Beatles tishaLA Mar 2023 #45
As a matter of fact Beatlelvr Mar 2023 #64
Well ,he has inthewind21 Mar 2023 #94
That's inthewind21 Mar 2023 #92
He's very popular, but not my 'cup of tea' as my old Scottish grandma used to say. Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #48
That's exactly why I can't stand him iemanja Mar 2023 #49
Well inthewind21 Mar 2023 #96
Why in his ratings say I have to like him? iemanja Mar 2023 #113
+1000. (nt) Paladin Mar 2023 #101
I cut him some slack for shanti Mar 2023 #50
I like Ari a whole bunch. His being a fan-boy to music he likes sometimes seems a bit Liberal In Texas Mar 2023 #51
Ari used to be hip Beastly Boy Mar 2023 #53
As a lawyer, I used to like Ari's show because he does an okay job on the legal analysis LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #55
I just think Ari Hawaii Hiker Mar 2023 #57
The show is called The Beat with Ari Melber. Drum Mar 2023 #61
I don't like the music references he makes Marthe48 Mar 2023 #62
Yes. It is the interjection totally out of context with guests who obviously don't follow that... hlthe2b Mar 2023 #81
"I'm Not A Businessman, I'm A Business, Man." DET Mar 2023 #65
My hubby has been saying this for the longest time. Duppers Mar 2023 #71
Hey you kids... get off my lawn. jcgoldie Mar 2023 #74
Right inthewind21 Mar 2023 #97
Rap and hip hop is the music from Melber's youth Deminpenn Mar 2023 #80
I remember reading about some of the big time musicians who attended Ari's malaise Mar 2023 #82
Seriously? inthewind21 Mar 2023 #99
No. The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO. hlthe2b Mar 2023 #102
And you inthewind21 Mar 2023 #112
Yes Deminpenn Mar 2023 #121
We all grow up with music of one genre or another iemanja Mar 2023 #114
It's incredibly awkward and forced and is the main reason I don't watch his show. ParishPolitique Mar 2023 #83
Congrats for nailing Ari so well. Paladin Mar 2023 #87
re: "for a lawyer, seldom does a better job explaining legal stuff than your average non-lawyer host hlthe2b Mar 2023 #103
Clearly inthewind21 Mar 2023 #88
I watch him nearly every day PCIntern Mar 2023 #100
That's the music he loves. dawg Mar 2023 #95
All politics can be related to the lyrics of Rick Astley. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2023 #118
It depends on the topic of discussion Wednesdays Mar 2023 #126
This is from Ari's show: PCIntern Mar 2023 #128
Gotta disagree with him here. Brand Nubian said "You gotta love or leave me alone.." first. Who's Carlitos Brigante Mar 2023 #129
😁👍 PCIntern Mar 2023 #130
. Carlitos Brigante Mar 2023 #131

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
21. unlike Shaw was, Jay-Z is neither pro-eugenics or anti-vax
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:20 PM
Mar 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bernard_Shaw#Beliefs_and_opinions

Shaw's expressed views were often contentious; he promoted eugenics and alphabet reform, and opposed vaccination and organised religion.

Shaw called vaccination 'a peculiarly filthy piece of witchcraft'.





Now, Jay-Z’s Made in America Festival has partnered with biometrics identification company Clear to verify attendees’ vaccination status and “expedite entry on to festival grounds.”

https://www.digitalmusicnews.com/2021/08/27/made-in-america-festival-health-pass/

Back to Made in America, though, “every attendee should enroll with” Health Pass prior to the event, festival officials also stated, emphasizing that users can equip their profiles with negative COVID tests as well as proof of vaccination. These individuals will then be eligible to utilize “Clear fast lanes” at the two-day happening, which will presumably make it easier (and quicker) for staff to check for proof of vaccination or a negative coronavirus test.

Notwithstanding organizers’ clear-cut preference for the use of Health Pass, Made in America relayed that employees will accept physical vaccination cards and printed COVID-19 test results “if you are under 18 years of age or do not have a smartphone,” with the latter classification appearing well-suited for passholders who opt to forgo utilizing the app or forget to do so. To be sure, after one uploads a vaccination card or test, “it can typically take between 1 – 2 hours for status to be verified.”


PCIntern

(26,744 posts)
86. As you know, I was trying to make a point...
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 09:35 AM
Mar 2023

So here’s a list:

Perhaps there’s something quotable….

Michael Oakeshott (1901–1990)
Eric Voegelin (1901–1985)
Karl Popper (1902–1994)
Theodor Adorno (1903–1969)
Ayn Rand (1905–1982)
Raymond Aron (1905–1983)
Jean-Paul Sartre (1905–1980)
Hannah Arendt (1906–1975)
Sayyid Qutb (1906–1966)
Simone Weil (1909–1943)
Isaiah Berlin (1909–1997)
Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn (1909–1999)
Norberto Bobbio (1909–2004)
Albert Camus (1913–1960)
Russell Kirk (1918–1994)
Louis Althusser (1918–1990)
Murray Bookchin (1921–2006)
John Rawls (1921–2002)
Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar (1921–1990)
Cornelius Castoriadis (1922–1997)
Howard Zinn (1922–2010)
Frantz Fanon (1925–1961)
Murray Rothbard (1926–1995)
Michel Foucault (1926–1984)
Samuel P. Huntington (1927–2008)
Judith Shklar (1928–1992)
Noam Chomsky (1928–)
Jürgen Habermas (1929–)
Alasdair MacIntyre (1929–)
Bernard Williams (1929–2003)
Félix Guattari (1930–1992)
Jacques Derrida (1930–2004)
Ronald Dworkin (1931–2013)
Charles Taylor (1931–)
Guy Debord (1931–1994)
Harvey Mansfield (1932–)
Eqbal Ahmad (1933–1999)
Antonio Negri (1933–)
Ali Shariati (1933–1977)
Fredric Jameson (1934–)
Michael Walzer (1935–)
Edward Said (1935–2003)
Thomas Nagel (1937–)
Robert Nozick (1938–2002)
Jacques Rancière (1940–)
Joxe Azurmendi (1941–)
Robert D. Putnam (1941–)
Gerald Cohen (1941–2009)
Étienne Balibar (1942–)
Roger Scruton (1944–2020)
Slavoj Žižek (1947–)
Roberto Mangabeira Unger (1947–)
Samuel Edward Konkin III (1947–2004)
John Gray (1948–)
Hans-Hermann Hoppe (1949–)
Michael Sandel (1953-)
Kancha Ilaiah (1952–)
Judith Butler (1956–)
Michael Hardt (1960–)

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
120. La bruja
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 07:19 PM
Mar 2023
witchcraft


My wife met then Senator Obama and Michelle (and Oprah) in Des Moines in December of 2007. Oprah was surprised that she was from Colombia, but Sen Obama was not. She told Sen Obama that he would be the next President, and cast a magic spell on him, to keep him safe.

I was stuck giving final exams.

This is the music that gets my mother-in-law up and dancing. She’s in her 90s.

SON DE CAPELLANIAS - LA BRUJA



CATALINA




ecstatic

(34,245 posts)
85. Raises hand
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 09:05 AM
Mar 2023


Actually the name is slightly familiar. Maybe he was discussed in my high school literature class? But I just googled him and none of his plays ring a bell for me.

I'm around the same age as Ari. I watch his show occasionally because it comes on after Nicolle's show. Like many other late gen-Xers/ millennials, I grew up listening to rap but Ari knows WAY more rap history/trivia than I do. Yes, it is over the top and awkward at times but that is his niche and apparently it's working for him.

PJMcK

(22,785 posts)
2. Ari likes to quote Rap lyrics
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:28 PM
Mar 2023

Often, the lyrics in R&B, Rap and other styles have pearls of wisdom in them.

I think that’s what he does to show he’s hip.

I think.

Paladin

(28,711 posts)
7. I get so tired of Ari inflicting those rap lyrics on his guests.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:36 PM
Mar 2023

Invariably, they just stare back at him, not knowing what the fuck he's talking about.

Ari's getting a little old to be playing that Coolest Guy In Sixth Grade game...

allegorical oracle

(2,941 posts)
122. Well put. Don't mind his enthusiasm for Rap, but get uncomfortable when he interjects a
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 07:24 AM
Mar 2023

serious discussion with some lyrics that seem like nonsequiturs given the discussion that just finished. And at least some older guests are left with a "huh?" look on their faces. My reaction is that Melber just made his guest feel foolish.

Paladin

(28,711 posts)
123. And I would feel exactly the same way...
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 07:41 AM
Mar 2023

...if Ari was repeatedly using country-western song lyrics to bring interviews to a screeching halt and make guests feel uncomfortable. Enough, already.

Ocelot II

(120,001 posts)
17. I don't know who they are either.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:15 PM
Mar 2023

Which is fine, but I think sometimes he embarrasses his guests who also have never heard of the folks he quotes.

malaise

(277,353 posts)
23. I watched two of his guests this week cite lines from songs
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:21 PM
Mar 2023

Ari loved it. The one who surprised me the most was Nick Akerman.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
29. You do not know who Bob Marley is?
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:40 PM
Mar 2023

“Get Up, Stand Up” may be the most potent song ever about human rights and the fight to secure them.




Celerity

(46,154 posts)
32. lol, all good, I figured that your would know as it was a reply to Malaise, my West Indian sis! lol
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:49 PM
Mar 2023

I am half Bajan (Barbados)

She is from Yard (Jamaica)

She has Bob Marley for her icon.




 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
67. Here's a religious tune by Bob Marley.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:38 AM
Mar 2023
She has Bob Marley for her icon.

It's a Catholic tune. (And the only tune in English.)


2.4 El Palenque del El Castigo


“Stolen from Africa, brought to American,
Fighting on arrival, fighting for survival.”

Bob Marley

En la época colonial muchos esclavizados o cimarrones conformaron grupos en las
montañas, y de manera espontánea fueron tomando conciencia de grupo hasta que se
convirtieron en apalencados y fundaron poblados autónomos llamados palenques. En
los primeros momentos de rebeldía fueron los bozales o recién llegados quienes unidos
en pequeñas bandas huyeron hacia los montes.

(page 44)

RELIGIOSIDAD AFROPATIANA
Funerales de Angelitos: Arrullos

Trabajo presentado para optar por el título de Historiador

Presentado por:
JUAN DAVID QUINTERO ARBELAEZ

PDF: https://repository.javeriana.edu.co/bitstream/handle/10554/6623/tesis149.pdf


Bob Marley & The Wailers - Buffalo Soldier (Official Music Video)



 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
68. Ambajadoras de paz
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:59 AM
Mar 2023

(Timestamp 1:40)

Crónica Cantaoras del Patia



Parentesco, co-parentesco y clientismo en el surgimiento de las guerrillas en el Valle del Patía, 1536 - 1811

by Francisco U. Zuluaga

https://historiayespacio.univalle.edu.co/index.php/historia_y_espacio/article/view/6785/9276 (pdf)

La tozudez y la fiereza con que los guerreros patianos de­fendieron el estandarte realista, entronizaron al Patía y sus gentes en las categorfas de lo más bárbaro, cruel y salvaje que haya podido darse en la historia de Colombia.

---------------------------

The stubbornness and fierceness with which the warriors from Patía defended the royalist banner, enthroned the Patía and its people in the categories of the most barbaric, cruel and savage that could have occurred in the history of Colombia.




son del tuno-popayán

milestogo

(17,309 posts)
4. Apparently he's trying to appeal to a segment of the population
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:31 PM
Mar 2023

that is not well represented on DU.

I don't like it either, but it no longer bothers me.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
70. What's important is to come correct.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 01:47 AM
Mar 2023

La cultura mayor has taught us all that disrespect is the default, and that respect must be earned.

As a life-long (non-fundamentalist) atheist, I contend that it is just the opposite.

Respect is the default, and it is disrespect that must be earned.

Successful cross-cultural communication and multiculturalism requires respect.

Here's a university student from the city, who as part of her studies, in an experiment in multiculturalism, wants to create a fusion hip-hop / bambuco patiano music video. What is important for white folks (and others) to note here is that she comes correct, with respect for another culture (a state within a state). She takes the time to learn about the music, the culture, the history, and the religion of another culture, recognizing that she is walking onto hallowed territory, sacred territory.

The last 3 minutes or so have the resulting music video.

Black folks have a lot to teach us all about respect, if only the rest of us are willing to learn.

BAMBUCO PATIANO 2010
(Audio generated closed captions in the language of our choice.)



ARETHA FRANKLIN SINGS "RESPECT" LIVE 1967!


malaise

(277,353 posts)
6. Ari is younger than most of us
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:34 PM
Mar 2023

I have no problem with his approach- all my US nieces and nephews get what he’s doing.
He’s building a nice diverse base. They need to watch him way more than we old folks.
I’m a big fan. He walks the walk.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
41. Peter Tosh & The Wailers - Downpresser (Upsetter Records) [1971]
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:19 PM
Mar 2023


Label: Upsetter Records (3) – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Reggae



 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
91. I had the great pleasure to see Peter Tosh six times (in one week) back in 1978.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:44 AM
Mar 2023

He played 4 shows at a little club called the Starwood in W Hollywood, early and late shows on two nights. I attended all of them. Stood so close I could touch him. In fact he passed me a huge spliff, that then made the rounds, and the last bit eventually came back to me (and I saved in in a frame for years with a ticket a picture and the sticker from Legalize It.

The third night Bob Marley played the Starlight Amphitheater in Burbank. Towards the end of the show, Peter Tosh surprised everyone (including Marley, from my understanding) by joining Bob onstage to sing Get Up Stand Up. I was out of my head, asking people around me--who mostly seemed oblivious--if they saw what was happening here? I belive this was the one and only time Tosh and Marley played together outside of Jamaica after the (original) Wailers broke up.

Then a couple days later, I saw him open for the Stones.

Loved Peter Tosh.

Not sure about this "P. Touch" fellow though. The Brother Corporation may want to have a word. LOL

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
104. JA & UK producers used all sorts of alt spellings for him (real name is Winston Hubert McIntosh)
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:55 PM
Mar 2023
https://www.discogs.com/artist/88495-Peter-Tosh






Label: Island Records – WI-215
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM, Single, Solid Centre
Country: UK
Released: 1965
Genre: Reggae
Style: Ska






Label: Mu-Zik City Records – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1964
Genre: Reggae
Style: Ska




Label: Jogib Records – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM, Single
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Reggae





Label: Pressure Beat – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Reggae




Label: Shock (4) – none
Format: Vinyl, 7", 45 RPM
Country: Jamaica
Released: 1971
Genre: Reggae
Style: Roots Reggae


Celerity

(46,154 posts)
107. Other people may not know, this whole bifurcated reggae divergence started when a poster said
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:28 PM
Mar 2023

they did not know who Tosh (and two others, Marley and Jimmy Cliff) was.

You yourself apparently did not know the background of the alternative name spelling on the first Tosh 7-inch single and video I put up:

Not sure about this "P. Touch" fellow though. The Brother Corporation may want to have a word. LOL


I try to be somewhat thorough when I post explanations.



 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
108. No, I made a joke. Perhaps it went over your head?
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:32 PM
Mar 2023

I've been a fan of a man (who died a decade before you were born) for 50 years. But thanks anyway.

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
110. The entire thing is quite innocuous, and I certainly came bearing no malice or ill intent towards
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:41 PM
Mar 2023

you or anyone else.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
125. We got to see Grupo Niche in concert once.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 11:33 AM
Mar 2023

It was in Kansas City. They invited up backstage with then during the break, and after the concert, we hung out with the band in the parking lot until 4am in the morning.

GRUPO NICHE MI MACHETE



Himno De Fe Y Alegria - Grupo Niche (Hymn of Faith and Happiness)



América de Cali Campeón liga águila 2019-2 (Himno de Fe y Alegría-Grupo Niche y Rojo-Son de Cali)



Himno De Fe y Alegría ( Edición America Campeón 15 ⭐ 2019 ~ 2020 ~ Bicampeón





 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
133. Nice.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 12:30 PM
Mar 2023

Speaking of machetes, I once saved a young woman from being sexually assaulted in an alley by a gang here in Los Angeles by going in with my freshly-sharpened machete and pulling her out of there.

One of the crazier incidents of my life, but sometimes one needs to do what one needs to do.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
134. My wife keeps three machetes under the bed.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 12:39 PM
Mar 2023

She uses them for yard work and tending to her flower garden. It's a part of her religion (Catholic).

She's pretty good with them, actually.

My mother-in-law only has two machetes under her bed.

Sur Real - Machete y Bordón (Capítulo completo)

(Audio-generated closed captions in the language of your choice)

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
135. I keep one (in a sheath) tucked between my mattress and bed-spring with just the handle
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 12:47 PM
Mar 2023

sticking out, just in case.

I also us mine for yard work.

The original one, that I employed to save the young woman, I used to use to trim the banana trees that I planted at a little house that I was renting in W. Los Angeles. I was just coming home from having it sharpened, when I saw the the girl being jumped out of the corner of my eyes, so I spun my Trooper around, pulled that machete out, and got her the heck out of there.

Still feels "surreal."

Sounds like you married into an interesting family. Congratulations.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
136. We had a derecho here in Iowa a while back.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 01:07 PM
Mar 2023

There were trees uprooted all over the place, some of which came crashing down on houses.

My wife was out walking, and one of our neighbors were stuck in the bedroom after a tree came crashing down, so she came back home to get one of her machetes to help cut the branches and clear the brush so they could get out.

Ellipsis

(9,167 posts)
36. the thing that freaks me out about Ari is he can grow is his facial hair.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:10 PM
Mar 2023

That dude can grow a full beard In 48 hrs.


...versus me and 48 years.

Response to PCIntern (Original post)

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
10. I know what ChocQuibTown said.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:38 PM
Mar 2023
ChocQuibTown - Salsa & Choke (Official Video) ft. Ñejo



ChocQuibTown - De Donde Vengo Yo (Official Music Video)

Judi Lynn

(162,261 posts)
16. Infectious songs, old as dirt. I wondered if "De Donde Vengo Yo" was filmed in Buenaventura...
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:13 PM
Mar 2023

Saw the houses on the water, thought of that place instantly! Pretty rough town, I've read!

The music is amazing, the dancers have to be indefatigable! It's neat they also have a female singer in the band.

Thank you for posting the songs.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
26. Goyo is from Condoto, Chocó
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:31 PM
Mar 2023

Chocó is the department just north of Valle. They seem to like her in her home town.

Cuando la Goyo de Chocquibtown llora



ChocQuibTown - Condoto



ChocQuibTown - Invencible (Official Video)



ChocQuibTown - Oro (Official Music Video)

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
44. Buenaventura is about an hour drive from Cali.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:23 PM
Mar 2023

But you have to go over the western mountain range to get there. We were going to visit a while back (maybe 15 -20 years ago), but we had to cancel at the last minute because unfortunately about 1200 people were heading in the opposite direction from somewhere in between, and we didn't want to go against the flow.

Here's an old cumbia about Buenaventura, and a couple of videos filmed there.

Mi Buenaventura - Leonor Gonzalez Mina "La Negra Grande De Colombia" | Cumbia



Canalón De Timbiquí - Que Pena (Vïdeo Oficial)



ChocQuibTown - Somos los Prietos (Official Video) ft. Alexis Play

Judi Lynn

(162,261 posts)
79. Great hearing the wooden marimba instruments, although very musical, they have great softness.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 05:07 AM
Mar 2023

It's an intriguing effect. It's so different seeing wooden "keys" on the thing, very cool.

Loved the photography, the vivid colors, and such interesting people.

I would think you'd really have to know what you're doing to survive in Buenaventura, after all the news articles I've read about the town over the last 10 years, at least. It does look like a really interesting town, and an important port city.

Thanks for the videos.

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
124. The marimba...
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 08:50 AM
Mar 2023

Last edited Fri Mar 24, 2023, 09:29 AM - Edit history (2)

...is used a lot in Cauca. Timbiquí is along the Pacific coast of Cauca, so it is the instrument that both Canalón de Timbiquí and Herencia de Timbiquí is based around.

Herencia de Timbiquí - Sabrás (Vídeo Oficial)



Herencia de Timbiqui - Amanecé



Te invito - Herencia de Timbiquí (video oficial)



Qué Será, Herencia de Timbiquí Ft. Rubén Blades - Vídeo Oficial



Herencia de Timbiqui Feat Disney Flow - La Vamo a Tumba (Video Oficial)

Qué Será, Herencia de Timbiquí Ft. Rubén Blades - Vídeo Letra




Vive a tu manera - Herencia de Timbiquí ( Video Oficial)



Herencia de Timbiqui Feat Disney Flow - La Vamo a Tumba (Video Oficial)



Herencia de Timbiqui - Vengo del Pacifico (Video Oficial)

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
52. In "De Donde Vengo Yo" I noticed a sign "Rio Quito".
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:39 PM
Mar 2023

A lot of music videos with scenery will show a sign at some point. It's definitely filmed in Chocó.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%ADo_Quito

 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
132. Here's another group from Cauca.
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 12:13 PM
Mar 2023

As you can see from the sign flashed at the start in the first video, he's in his home town of Guapi.

I always keep an eye out for signs.

Grupo Bahía-Te Vengo a Cantar



El Dolor De Mis Ancestros - Grupo Bahía



Remanso Inicial - Grupo Bahía



Grupo Bahía. Mi Buenaventura

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
105. Good, if he's helping keep "a select portion" of voters engaged.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:31 PM
Mar 2023

"It takes a nation." We need us all.

Fwiw, though, "the Democratic base," by definition, are solid and self-committed to their ideals and goals and to voting reliably election after election to further them. Tens of millions of people who know what they stand for and against, and why. The base.

nolabear

(43,072 posts)
12. Nothing. He likes rap and is liked by folks who do.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:47 PM
Mar 2023

I started out thinking he was a bit too schticky with it but over time I’ve seen rappers, young guests, black guests, and various others treat him with the kind of amused respect they’d have for a dorky friend. He gets considerably further with them. If you’ve seen him grill anyone as he did with that fool lawyer the other day he is good with holding them to account.

I’m all for appreciating allies, no matter what their oddness might be.

BumRushDaShow

(140,663 posts)
13. He has a whole set of side-programming with entertainment figures
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:47 PM
Mar 2023

"Mavericks" - https://www.nbcnews.com/think/melber-mavericks

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDIVi-vBsOEz2F56lPDjtZbcUzfP3E8Io

It's almost like he's building himself into a modern version of Larry King (but is still at the embryonic stage of that process) by getting to "personally" interact with some of the biggest celebrities in the music world.

hlthe2b

(105,866 posts)
14. When he books exceedingly accomplished experts whose lives certainly have not likely included
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:49 PM
Mar 2023

much Rap and Hip Hop Music--or at least not sufficiently to play his "name that lyric" game I just cringe through my bones. Most guests are too polite to even give him the "look" he deserves.

Yes, he's skilled otherwise and I don't mind and often appreciate the array of guests he brings on from that and other musical genres. Still, when he interrupts totally unrelated discussions to interject lines out of context, it just seems rude.

Response to hlthe2b (Reply #14)

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
89. How do you
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:39 AM
Mar 2023

KNOW their lives haven't included any hip hop or rap? Pretty big assumption there to claim you know by just seeing an interview. Barack Obama is pretty damn accomplished, but he can sing a mean Al Green and is pretty hip.

hlthe2b

(105,866 posts)
93. I don't but music is not the subject for which they were booked to discuss. So assuming they would
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:45 AM
Mar 2023

know lyrical references to rap, the Beatles, country music or any other genre is no more appropriate than assuming all his guests are experts in biblical text or the lesser-known works of Shakespeare or poems of Wordsworth, or works of the great Greek and Roman scholars. Interjecting such content into the totally unrelated complex and serious discussion only serves to make Ari look like a preening jackass--no matter what the unrelated reference he seeks to interject.

hlthe2b

(105,866 posts)
111. Keep your inaccurate and accusatory snark to yourself. No one here said such a thing.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:42 PM
Mar 2023

and you damned well know it. I have no desire to fight with you--especially when you are being disingenuous. So bye.

hlthe2b

(105,866 posts)
98. The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:51 AM
Mar 2023

And IF they do, the way to do so is to preface the interjection with the fact that they have had some prior discussions and he knows they too are fans of ... (i.e., whatever genre music and lyrics or other textual lines he wants to quote). Then there is context and not merely a distracting comment.

Cheezoholic

(2,574 posts)
15. He quotes plenty of Robert Hunter among others too
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 07:59 PM
Mar 2023

I'm sick of people bitchin' about Ari and Rap. Freakin liberal Archie Bunkers, geez!

Meowmee

(5,185 posts)
18. My main problem
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:15 PM
Mar 2023

Is with him bringing on right wing idiots and letting them blab their crap non stop. He is terrible imo at debating / managing them. The rap stuff is weird and out of sequence a lot of the time. Mostly I could care less what these people think about anything. While arts can be a way to make statements most people involved in it are not that bright and many have a lot of crazy views.

I saw him yesterday and today because someone else was watching. Otherwise I never watch any news anymore except here and there for five seconds or so, then I switch to something else because I like to have something in the background while I do other things, or I turn it off.

We are thinking of stopping the cable and I wonder what else will be cheaper to still get the channels I do watch.

Ilsa

(62,173 posts)
84. YouTubeTv might be more affordable, but you'll need unlimited data
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 08:30 AM
Mar 2023

from your ISP. Lots of "depends on" though.

IcyPeas

(22,506 posts)
19. doesn't really bother me
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:17 PM
Mar 2023

yeah, often his guests don't know who he's talking about.... so maybe he's enlightening some of his guests.

lots of people quote other people....

meh



Celerity

(46,154 posts)
25. you are a babe in a pram by DU standards, lolol
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:29 PM
Mar 2023


dog knows what I am

26yo

long in the future gleam in my parent's eyes?

malaise

(277,353 posts)
37. The thing is we have been exposed to way more global music including American music
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:11 PM
Mar 2023

than most Americans.
Once you young folks get it, I’m good to go. 😀

Celerity

(46,154 posts)
56. an insane amount of rare, hard to find music is on of the best things about the internet
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:47 PM
Mar 2023

I can find 99% of things I look for (and a lot of the things I look for are HARD AF to find, lol, a lot is not even on YT, so I have to go to Soulseek (the oldest version, it is still up and has so much lost gold, especially electronic and punk and old ska and old jazz) or other places and download it).

I also discover many bands and songs I would have never heard of if not for the net. My oldest brother taught me how to download when I was 5 in 2002, lol (I could already read quite well by then). Napster had already shut down by then (he was pissed!) Been doing it ever since, especially as I grew older. I was also lucking becuase other my me, the rest of my family was truly musically gifted (well my younger brother not so much, but he thought he was the worlds greatest DJ, lol, he was shite, unlike my oldest brother, lol)-

Of course, growing up in London, I was exposed in real life to a shedload of music that never really caught on in the US for ages.

early grime, for instance (mummy HATED me listening to it!, but me bruv would feed my thirst with CD mixes he burnt, lol)

N.A.S.T.Y Ft. Crazy Titch, D Double E, Hyper, & Riko Dan - Cock Back



Label: After Shock – ASF003
Format: Vinyl, 12", Limited Edition
Country: UK
Released: Sept 2003
Genre: Electronic
Style: Grime



 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
58. Ha! We'll be celebrating our 26th anniversary this summer.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:52 PM
Mar 2023


(My first marriage only lasted 19 years.)

You were born the same year that IIRAIRA was passed. (This is the law that created Steve King and his sidekick tfg.)

They tried to kick us out of the country with a 10 year ban on applying for reentry.

The law that broke US immigration


Celerity

(46,154 posts)
63. that was bad legislation
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 10:10 PM
Mar 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_Immigration_Reform_and_Immigrant_Responsibility_Act_of_1996#Impact

Impact

A 2018 paper found that the Act reduced the health and mental health outcomes of Latin-American undocumented immigrants in the United States by escalating their fear that they would be deported.

In addition, this policy has been criticized by the Journal on Migration and Human Security for imposing overwhelming hurdles on refugees seeking asylum in the United States. These hurdles, such as mandatory detention and application deadlines, are argued to undermine the obligations the United States has under the Refugee Convention Protocols of 1967.

Furthermore, a paper in the Journal on Migration and Human Security analyzed a 2011 test conducted by the Migration Policy Institute aimed at exploring any negative externalities the 287(g) program had on the communities of Frederick County, Maryland. The journal found that, after recording arrests by the Frederick County Sheriff's Office, there was evidence pointing towards racial profiling against Hispanics in the area. The scope of the law's authority was judged by the U.S. Supreme Court in the 2022 Biden v. Texas ruling, which found in a 5-4 decision that the President had the direct authority to regulate the law's Migrant Protection Protocols without approval from Congress.


HEALTH AND MENTAL HEALTH EFFECTS OF LOCAL IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w24487/w24487.pdf



How the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 Has Undermined US Refugee Protection Obligations and Wasted Government Resources

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/233150241700500207



From IIRIRA to Trump: Connecting the Dots to the Current US Immigration Policy Crisis

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/2331502418786718
 

old as dirt

(1,972 posts)
66. The stuff about refugees goes way back.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 11:04 PM
Mar 2023

Most palenques were destroyed, because they set a bad example, but when the colonialists were unable to destroy a palenque (they were very difficult and dangerous to destroy, according to historians), they entered into treaties that sought to control their immigration/refugee policies.

I've bolded the references to refugees. (The Wikipedia article has a big blooper later on, where it asserts that there are no other surviving palenques. My wife's palenque survives to this day as well.)

If you ever visit Cartagena, be sure to allot a couple of days to swing by Palenque de San Basilio. It's very close, and no visit to Cartagena is complete without it.


San Basilio de Palenque

Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Basilio_de_Palenque

San Basilio de Palenque or Palenque de San Basilio, often referred to by the locals simply as Palenke, is a Palenque village and corregimiento in the Municipality of Mahates, Bolivar in northern Colombia. Palenque was the first free African town in the Americas, and in 2005 was declared a Masterpiece of the Oral and Intangible Heritage of Humanity by UNESCO.[1]

History

Spaniards introduced enslaved Africans in South America through the Magdalena River Valley. Its mouth is close to the important port of Cartagena de Indias where ships full of Africans arrived. Some Africans escaped and set up Palenque de San Basilio, a town close to Cartagena. This community began in 1619, when Domingo Biohó led a group of about 30 runaways into the forests, and defeated attempts to subdue them. Biohó declared himself King Benkos, and his palenque of San Basilio attracted large numbers of runaways to join his community. His Maroons defeated the first expedition sent against them, killing their leader Juan Gómez. The Spanish arrived at terms with Biohó, but later they captured him, accused him of plotting against the Spanish, and had him hanged.[2]

They tried to free all enslaved Africans arriving at Cartagena and were quite successful. Therefore, the Spanish Crown issued a Royal Decree (1691), guaranteeing freedom to the Palenque de San Basilio Africans if they stopped welcoming new escapees. But runaways continued to escape to freedom in San Basilio. In 1696, the colonial authorities subdued another rebellion there, and between 1713-7. Eventually, the Spanish agreed to peace terms with the palenque of San Basilio, and in 1772, this community of maroons was included within the Mahates district, as long they no longer accepted any further runaways


African roots in Latin America: Palenque (Colombia) | Armin Schwegler | TEDxUCIrvine



LA TIERRA PROMETIDA, CARLOS VIVES, CARTAGENA DE INDIAS, COLOMBIA, TURISMO

NewDayOranges

(718 posts)
22. Ari has stated that he specializes in first amendment law...
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:21 PM
Mar 2023

I'm guessing his services were retained by many rappers, singers, authors and stand-up comedians in his past and perhaps spent hours poring over rap and song lyrics and comic riffs...

Just guessing...

XanaDUer2

(13,394 posts)
27. The worst is when he refers to something
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 08:32 PM
Mar 2023

Or someone his guests don't know. There's an awkward silence and they all just sit there looking at the camera.

rickford66

(5,637 posts)
39. These interviews usually end when the host says we're running out of time.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:15 PM
Mar 2023

Ari interrupts the interviews and wastes valuable time doing his rap thing. I wish he would quit the rap stuff.

housecat

(3,137 posts)
42. That's what fast forward on recorded shows is for. I have no interest in rap, but many others do.
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:20 PM
Mar 2023

Cool with me. They can enjoy it while I fast forward segments.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
94. Well ,he has
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:46 AM
Mar 2023

It's not always just rap and hip hop. But clearly that's ALL that stands out to some.

iemanja

(54,542 posts)
49. That's exactly why I can't stand him
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:29 PM
Mar 2023

He thinks he's so cool, and he just comes off as a dweeb. He ruins the news with that crap. I find him unwatchable.

iemanja

(54,542 posts)
113. Why in his ratings say I have to like him?
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:51 PM
Mar 2023

I shared my personal views. That has nothing to do with ratings. I don't subscribe to hive mind.

Liberal In Texas

(14,398 posts)
51. I like Ari a whole bunch. His being a fan-boy to music he likes sometimes seems a bit
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:35 PM
Mar 2023

overdone, but it's mostly in the last segment of the show and I can live with that.

Beastly Boy

(11,010 posts)
53. Ari used to be hip
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:40 PM
Mar 2023

At least he thinks so. And he is missing the good times.

But in this instance, I got a kick out of his quoting Jay-Z. It was pretty relevant. In discussing Trump with his guest, he quoted the line "“I’m not a businessman, I’m a business, man”, which fitted pretty well with their discussion of a Trump-signed check constituting a business record, and how stupid it was for Trump to personally sign it.

I think his guest got a kick out of it too.

LetMyPeopleVote

(153,746 posts)
55. As a lawyer, I used to like Ari's show because he does an okay job on the legal analysis
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:45 PM
Mar 2023

I can stand some dumb down legal analysis but I am tired of the rap music references

Hawaii Hiker

(3,168 posts)
57. I just think Ari
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 09:47 PM
Mar 2023

is one of those people who always has to be the center of attention, makes the jokes (some work, some don't) he craves the limelight.

Marthe48

(18,718 posts)
62. I don't like the music references he makes
Wed Mar 22, 2023, 10:09 PM
Mar 2023

I think it detracts from the seriousness of the subject matter. It's like we were in court and he breaks into a song in the middle of a legal presentation.

And other things.

hlthe2b

(105,866 posts)
81. Yes. It is the interjection totally out of context with guests who obviously don't follow that...
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 07:35 AM
Mar 2023

is so problematic. No one wants to watch guests be embarrassed nor have a very serious discussion derailed that way. Those who are misinterpreting the critical comments toward Ari are missing the point--at least for me. I like that he has musical segments/interviews of performers in the show. But intermixing (by interjecting song lyrics) in a way that derails the subject matter at hand or creates confusion for both guest and audience is not the way to do it.

Duppers

(28,223 posts)
71. My hubby has been saying this for the longest time.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 02:17 AM
Mar 2023

Thank you.

I'm sure Rachel has never quoted a rapper.

Deminpenn

(16,082 posts)
80. Rap and hip hop is the music from Melber's youth
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 07:25 AM
Mar 2023

He was born in 1980. It's what he grew up listening to, no different from the relationship many DU'ers have with early rock 'n roll, the Beatles, Motown, etc.

I do think he interjects the rap lyrics/rapper references at inappropriate times because it's clear when his guests are too old to have listened to rap or have more than a passing knowledge of who these rappers/hip hop artists are.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
99. Seriously?
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:52 AM
Mar 2023

Exactly what is "too old" to have listened to rap? The stereo typing and wild assumptions gong on in this tread is astounding.

hlthe2b

(105,866 posts)
102. No. The problematic assumption is his interjecting this without KNOWING that they DO.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:38 PM
Mar 2023

And IF they do, the way to do so is to preface the interjection with the fact that they have had some prior discussions and he knows they too are fans of ... (i.e., whatever genre music and lyrics or other textual lines he wants to quote). Then there is context and not merely a distracting comment that derails the discussion.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
112. And you
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:43 PM
Mar 2023

are ASSUMING the people he books aren't aware of who he is and have no clue at all a song lyric might come up before the interview is done. Unless of course you are making the claim that his guests inform you personally of their shock over a song lyric. So, do carry on with your lecture about "problematic assumptions."

Deminpenn

(16,082 posts)
121. Yes
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 07:05 AM
Mar 2023

My obseration and experience is that after a certain age, your taste in music gets kind of set in stone. You don't really listen to or are interested in new music or the artists who make it.

iemanja

(54,542 posts)
114. We all grow up with music of one genre or another
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 03:54 PM
Mar 2023

I don't interject it when I'm doing my job. I can't imagine anyone would care. Why would Melber? He does it because he thinks it makes him look cool, only it doesn't.

ParishPolitique

(24 posts)
83. It's incredibly awkward and forced and is the main reason I don't watch his show.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 07:44 AM
Mar 2023

The other being that, for a lawyer, seldom does a better job explaining legal stuff than your average non-lawyer MSNBC host.

Paladin

(28,711 posts)
87. Congrats for nailing Ari so well.
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:31 AM
Mar 2023

"Incredibly awkward and forced" is a perfect description. Extra credit for calling attention to how seldom his Cornell law training is evident.

hlthe2b

(105,866 posts)
103. re: "for a lawyer, seldom does a better job explaining legal stuff than your average non-lawyer host
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 12:43 PM
Mar 2023

And when he tries, he bends so over backward to explain the counterview of the opponents--giving it such equal weight it defeats the entire analysis. Not all things are equal and it should fall to him to make the distinction-- discussing the weakness of both POV.

He can do a good job holding some of the RW attorneys, pundits, and other apologists' feet to the fire. I give him that. But unfortunately, he does so only after the audience's eyes have probably rolled back in their heads from the litany of RW memes and false claims.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
88. Clearly
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:33 AM
Mar 2023

You don't watch him often. He very frequently uses lyrics from songs that relate to what's being discussed.

PCIntern

(26,744 posts)
100. I watch him nearly every day
Thu Mar 23, 2023, 11:55 AM
Mar 2023

What in my post would lead you to believe that I don’t watch him routinely?

Wednesdays

(20,095 posts)
126. It depends on the topic of discussion
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 11:36 AM
Mar 2023

If the topic was about Jay-Z, then what Jay-Z says would be relevant.

Any other topic, what Jay-Z says is not relevant.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,746 posts)
129. Gotta disagree with him here. Brand Nubian said "You gotta love or leave me alone.." first. Who's
Fri Mar 24, 2023, 11:54 AM
Mar 2023

the "rap genius" now?@!

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