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Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:13 AM

I think many of you have seen my post about the

angry MAGAT at my door.

https://democraticunderground.com/100217755076

I have requested copies of the deputy sheriff's report on his visit to my house. The deputy told the MAGAT to go away and stay away. I have requested the 911 transcripts. I have contacted the newspaper reporter who directed me to the right places to submit letters. I am in the process of getting ring doorbell cameras for my front and back doors. (People in the country usually come to the back door).

I am thinking about writing another letter and describing the incident. A school board candidate came to my door, pounded, shouted and threatened me with legal action. We try to prevent bullying in schools. We do not elect bullies to the school board!

This time, I might call him by name. I did not do that in my original letter. What do you think, fellow DUers?

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murielm99 Mar 2023 OP
mopinko Mar 2023 #1
h2ebits Mar 2023 #5
WhiteTara Mar 2023 #2
jayschool2013 Mar 2023 #22
yonder Mar 2023 #24
jayschool2013 Mar 2023 #26
MarineCombatEngineer Mar 2023 #3
Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #4
Quakerfriend Mar 2023 #6
RainCaster Mar 2023 #7
Prairie_Seagull Mar 2023 #23
John1956PA Mar 2023 #8
jaxexpat Mar 2023 #10
chicago guy Mar 2023 #12
jayschool2013 Mar 2023 #20
Phoenix61 Mar 2023 #9
orangecrush Mar 2023 #18
c-rational Mar 2023 #11
Hekate Mar 2023 #13
WinstonSmith4740 Mar 2023 #14
FrankTC Mar 2023 #15
AllaN01Bear Mar 2023 #16
allegorical oracle Mar 2023 #17
Ms. Toad Mar 2023 #19
SWBTATTReg Mar 2023 #21
LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #25

Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:15 AM

1. call him out at the top of your voice.

name him in all caps.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:24 AM

5. Yes. Call him out at the top of your voice

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:15 AM

2. the word "alleged"

prevents lawsuits. Make sure you are not being defamatory and go for it.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #2)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:35 PM

22. Just take the time to present the facts

In journalism, weasel words don't excuse lazy reporting.

Using "alleged" requires journalistic privilege, which means you have the ability to report what officials allege. You can't just allege crimes yourself in a letter to the editor.

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Response to jayschool2013 (Reply #22)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:57 PM

24. #1. Thanks for that lesson in the distinction you just made.

I could see myself making that mistake.

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Response to yonder (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 08:48 PM

26. You're welcome

It's lesson No. 1 in my Low Down Dirty MSM ... I mean, Journalism I class.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:16 AM

3. I think you should do everything you said here,

especially naming him, shine the light on this cockroach.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:18 AM

4. I probably would have a conversation with a lawyer to find out how to do this in a way

that doesn't open you up to any action on his part.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:30 AM

6. I would not name him. But, it would be

good (from a legal perspective) to put up no trespassing signs.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:50 AM

7. I'm not a fan of Ring

After a search warrant was served by a 5 agency group a year ago, I put up a series of cameras that are all connected to my own computer. It never gets shared with anyone but my wife. Ring was worthless IMO.
I could spend time telling you why, but that's for another day.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:38 PM

23. My daughter just bought a house and unbeknownst to us the ring units were videoing and recording us-

on our walk throughs. Not a fan of ring but as indicated above, your own surveillance is a great idea. IMO

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 11:50 AM

8. As a general legal practitioner for over 40 years, I say de-escalate.

In court, judges caution lawyers and witnesses against providing irrelevant inflammatory statements. If I had written the original letter, I would have simply said that candidates for school board should have children enrolled in the public school system. I would not have mentioned the term "home schooled." I would de-escalate the situation.

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Response to John1956PA (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 12:39 PM

10. I agree with you. We end up owning our escalation. It's a karmic thing.

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Response to John1956PA (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 12:53 PM

12. Problem with

The problem with not calling out someone like this is they just keep moving along. As a person who held public offices for over 22 years I can clearly tell you to call the person out without using there name state enough facts and they will not be able to resist coming out on their own.

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Response to John1956PA (Reply #8)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:18 PM

20. Yes

And if the OP does write another letter, make sure the information is completely factual. Do the man's children attend a private school, or are they homeschooled. The OP has to get this right. At this point, another factual error could be construed as a "reckless disregard for the truth," which opens the OP to legal action.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 12:00 PM

9. IMHO, that's a really bad idea.

Poking the bear rarely turns out well. The calmer you are the crazier he appears which will come in handy if he pulls any other stunts. If you do something then it starts to look like tit for tat and judges donít like dealing with that.

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Response to Phoenix61 (Reply #9)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:11 PM

18. Agree 100%. n/t

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 12:43 PM

11. Just read your original post also. Bully for you. I agree with your position that such a person

should not be on a public school board. IMO his only objective would be to make them less effective, i.e. sabotage. I am not a lawyer, but I do not see amy legal legal concerns for you. Best not to use up your energy in a battle with a magat. May I suggest something my mother in law told me once (the wisest person I knew, and she had a had grade education, vs. my mother was a Smith College grad). Work for the people you want to see elected. Keep that your primary focus, and remember it is ok to throw barbs like...,'school board members should have kids in our schools and they should empathically state their support for our schools, and If they do not, they should not be elected.'

Good luck.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:02 PM

13. Thank you for the update, and all the best

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:03 PM

14. Go get him!!

Call him out. He is just bullying...stating fact is not libeling/slandering someone. He's got nothing. Bullies depend on people backing down to their threats.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:05 PM

15. First They Take An Inch, Then They

Bite your leg off.

So, sometimes de-escalating can be a mistake.

Game theory: "Tit For Tat" -- That's the winningnest strategy most of the time. When they go low, you go about as low; when they go high, you go about as high. Losing strategy: don't retaliate, turn the other cheek, meet swords with flowers, etc. That just teaches them that they can bully and win. On the other hand, hurting them when they're being nice, or stomping them when they've only poked you a little -- this is (said to be) a long-term losing strategy also (works on cockroaches though).

So my suggestion is to respond firmly and assertively. In the context of an election, I think it's fine to point out candidates' flaws, including unsuitable temperament. Of course you have to be careful: In some parts of the country, if you describe someone as a complete and utter jackass, that would endear them to a significant minority and might increase their vote total.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:09 PM

17. Couple of questions: Do you live alone? Are you armed (yeah, I know)? What kind of response time do

you get from the sheriff's office? In my rural county, response time ranges from one day to never. Actually had to shoot over the head of a guy who was lurking in my backyard. He finally ran off. IMHO, there's a high degree of mental illness among people who live in rural areas. Having a "barky" dog seems to help repel the nutcases.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:13 PM

19. Two things -

To answer a question you asked in the other thread - yes, he can sue you. That doesn't mean he even has a case that will pass the laugh test. But if he sues you, it will cost you money to defend, even if you ultimately win.

As for winning, politicians have a harder time, since they have thrust themselves into the public arena. But if he can be identified from your letter, not naming him specifically won't kill his case.

The same is true if you write another letter. If you do so, make sure you are absolutely factual in anything you say. (Truth is an absolute defense and, as a politician he actually bears the burden of proving what you say is false as part of his claim (making it easier to get an early dismissal))

That said, if I were in your shoes, especially if you think he had any chance of winning, I'd probably send the letter and name names. Most threats of litigation don't materialize, and I would want to do what I could to keep him if the school board.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 01:25 PM

21. Good grief! I wish you well in any (hope not) encounters! I wouldn't do anything...this angry

maggot (opps, I misspelled) is eventually going to mess w/ other people the same way as they're doing you, and eventually he's going to get into trouble.

It's just their nature to be confrontational (and a jacka&&) w/ everyone (not just w/ you). Ignore him. And don't answer the front or back doors! My other half tells me this all of the time, don't answer the door! We always know who's coming and thus, we'll answer the door then, but if not, then forget it. I don't care if they pound on the door or such. They have no right to invade my privacy or threaten harm to me, etc.

Sorry that you have such a hothead living near you.

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Response to murielm99 (Original post)

Sat Mar 25, 2023, 02:06 PM

25. These are all good moves

Stay safe and watch out for that asshole

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