Am I Missing Something? McVeigh's Gang Murdered 168 People, and Wounded 680 More on the Anniversary

[TrollBuster9090]

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of the Waco siege. Right wing DOMESTIC TERRORISTS blew up a federal building in Oklahoma on the second anniversary of Waco, as RETRIBUTION.

And Trump is kicking off his RETRIBUTION TOUR on the 30th anniversary of the Waco siege, in Waco. WTF? Why is THIS not the NUMBER ONE STORY on every news outlet? Instead of laughing at the toothless hillbillies in their Maga hats, and talking about the 'politics' of this, why are they not talking about what he's DOING?

Does he need to send a signed NOTE to the Attorney General saying "Hi! I'm Donald Trump, and I'm trying to incite MASSIVE DOMESTIC TERRORISM attacks, by linking my personal petty grievances to the biggest domestic terrorism act in U.S. history. Have you even noticed?"

This would be bad enough if the right wing domestic terrorist movement was only as big as it was in the early 1990s. But the modern domestic terrorist network is at least TEN TIMES the size it was in 1995, and is being ACTIVELY SUPPORTED by one of America's major political parties. MTG just finished visiting right wing domestic terrorists, who attacked the U.S. Capitol, in an attempt to overturn the election in jail; and told them the GOP has their backs. And suggested that a Republican President would pardon them all.

The fact that the regular press is not covering it from this angle is a complete dereliction of duty.

[Emile]

1. Until Trump is held accountable, he is above the law!

[TheBlackAdder]

2. The parallel is that the gubmint is against two cult leaders.

[EarnestPutz]

3. Exactly, perfectly and completely right. Could not be more egregious.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

4. if Obama did something similar... MAGA heads would explode

[moonscape]

10. Maybe if tfg wore a tan suit?

[IcyPeas]

5. half of his followers probably don't even remember Waco.

some of them weren't even born..... others have long forgotten it.... or they've forgotten who did it or why... I will always remember the front page of the LA Times with the building in flames.

and, wondering now, for the younger ones, was it taught in their history classes?

[Mister Ed]

24. I don't think "deserved it" and "kids that died" even belong in the same post. n/t

[edisdead]

27. Holy hell.

This is the time to self delete a post.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

20. And the other half can't spell it. nt

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[ripcord]

29. They may not remember it

But they all know about Clinton sending in troops to burn out the Branch Davidians, at least that is their take. Expect him to commemorate Ruby Ridge in August since trying to highlight democrat abuses.

[Novara]

6. Stochastic terrorism needs to be a felony

Stochastic terrorism:

Dehumanizing and vilifying a person or group of people can provoke what scholars and law enforcement officials call stochastic terrorism, in which ideologically driven hate speech increases the likelihood that people will violently and unpredictably attack the targets of vicious claims.

Why isn't this charged as criminal incitement, at least?

Criminal incitement refers to conduct, words, or other means that urge or naturally lead others to riot, violence, or insurrection.

[Zeitghost]

30. What you propose

Is next level authoritarianism. Holding a rally at a specific location/date is not terrorism or incitement.

We have free speech rights in this country and we have constitutional tests to determine when that speech is criminally dangerous.. I would suggest you look up a few of these basic ideas, starting with the Brandenburg Test.

[Ocelot II]

7. McVeigh didn't have a gang, it was just him and Terry Nichols.

It was done as retribution for Waco, and TFG's choice of Waco and the reasons for it have been noted many times. I don't think anyone is unaware of it. But it wasn't illegal for him to do it. He's getting damn close to incitement, but he hasn't met the Brandenburg v. Ohio test for incitement of imminent and specific violence - yet. I have no doubt the FBI is paying attention.

[leftyladyfrommo]

9. Probably half the people in the crowd are FBI. You know

They have eyes and ears everywhere.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

23. Yeah? How many are there as supporters?

[Earl_from_PA]

16. And Michael Fortier

...

[bucolic_frolic]

8. Terrorists blame the government for upholding the law

What kind of civilized society do you have without rule of law? The Social Contract is a major part of political theory for several centuries. Man gives rights to a government to protect us all. It's not like we're ignorant of the rules.

[masmdu]

11. 16"9" if you count the additional leg that was found.

[GoCubsGo]

12. Trump is trying to play into his anti-FBI/anti-government rhetoric.

Federal law enforcement is his enemy, just as it was McVeigh's. As for why the media isn't covering this aspect, it's because they are fucking cowards.

[TrollBuster9090]

14. "It's because they are fucking cowards" is 100% correct! And worst of all...

...what is it they're afraid of? They're afraid of being called 'liberal.'

Um...hello. You get accused of being 'liberal' 1000 times a day on the right wing news channels. You may as well commit a 'crime' worthy of the punishment, by actually TELLING THE TRUTH!

Fox 'News' is bad enough, telling lies about the election because it's what their wingnut base wants to hear. But the other networks, who are supposed to be REAL journalists, are even WORSE! Failing to report the truth because it's what viewers on a FAKE news network DON'T want to hear.

[OldBaldy1701E]

18. I feel this is a variation on the old saying:

"It is better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

I think the MSM is convinced that as long as they don't say anything that can overtly be turned against them, then they are safe enough from the incidental stuff. All of this is just to try and protect their incomes, as old school journalism seems on the verge of 'evolutionary extinction'.

[paleotn]

13. Not missing a thing. It's just as bad as you think.

[Evolve Dammit]

17. Really good post and points. And yes, another dereliction of what used to be duty. Infotainment now

[llmart]

19. "used to be duty...Infotainment now"

That sums it up in a nutshell. In fact, just this morning I was watching the "news" and I am so glad they covered Reese Witherspoon getting a divorce! Now, if a hollywood star is getting a divorce, that is "breaking news".

(sarcasm intended)

[Evolve Dammit]

26. Decades in the making and now normalized. And there are so many "outlets" that you can

find whatever best aligns with your ideology, factual or not. And then there is AI coming into it. You will soon not be able to tell who the human is. I wanna go back.... Cronkite, Rather, Huntly and Brinkley? Yeah I'm getting old

[llmart]

31. I hear ya.

It's difficult for those of us who grew up in an era where the nightly news was serious business, and not every thing was "breaking news".

I have always maintained that it's great to have choices but too many choices can be just as damaging as not enough choices, and not just in the news department. I went grocery shopping yesterday and there were two entire lengthy rows of cereal boxes, half of which are something I wouldn't feed my dog. And don't get me started on the chips and snacks aisle. That's always the busiest aisle in the store. Is it any wonder our people are so fat?

[Evolve Dammit]

32. Idiocracy. The movie. It's just f'ing sad. People hanging on grocery carts. We are in deep. nt

[llmart]

33. People hanging on grocery carts

Interesting you should mention it that way. I thought I was the only one who noticed that. Also, I thought it was just a "thing" they did in my state. What's that all about anyway? I always want to say to them, "you're not supposed to push the cart with your stomach". It's not just old or heavy people either. I try to just get in and out of the store as quickly as possible.

[Evolve Dammit]

35. Me too. Have a neighbor and we compete as to who can get in and out the quickest!

[Orrex]

21. Personally I'd like to see Trump catapulted into a live volcano

But I don't see how charges brought for even this obvious incitement to terrorism would hold up in any court in the land.

[FrankTC]

22. Powerful Reminder of the Historical Context

Which illustrates how the decontextualizing and forgetfulness of the MSM is reactionary. The reactionary project is to present contemporary Republican atrocities as unprecedented, sui genesis, nothing like this ever happened before, so therefore these atrocities can’t be an expression of underlying structural, systemic horrors that will circle around and bite again. When we start making the connections — well, maybe that won’t immediately set us free, but it can help us understand what’s being done to us, and replace bewilderment with determination.

[moondust]

25. McVeigh was just

deconstructing the administrative state.

[msfiddlestix]

28. Wish I could give this post a hundred recs or more

it's a staggering mind fuck. It could almost be considered a classic psyop-operation intended to destabilize a country.

Oh wait That is exactly what happened.

Russia installed this psychopath for their purposes, and operationally. it is still in effect.

Our media is either conscience or asleep. Either way, they are a significant contributor to the destruction of our democracy.

And we seem to be helpless to "do anything about it". Because, what can we do other than express our outrage on a message board.

And we do that, the unwitting, "legal eagles brigade", defenders of the status quo, come swooping in like gangbusters, hurling "anti-Biden" accusations along with condescending preoperative remarks like "whiners". As if any of this had anything to do with the Biden administration. It's Putin and Trump et al.

We can't bring Putin to justice But we can and should bring his puppets to justice.

It's just too hard to deal with it in real time I guess. Which makes Putin's Victorious in his aim destabilize our country to the extent he was able to accomplish. Trump is free to continue that agenda for him. And the faithful servants in the media continue to aid and abet.

[Rhiannon12866]

34. Extremely well said.