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DOONESBURY Plus (Original Post) KS Toronado Mar 2023 OP
I know one person KS Toronado Mar 2023 #1
Prevagen... GB_RN Mar 2023 #5
I asked my GP about Prevagen when it first came on the market. He said it doesn't work. CTyankee Mar 2023 #7
If Things Like This Worked... GB_RN Mar 2023 #11
And the commercials for it on TV are relentless... Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #18
LOL KS Toronado Mar 2023 #2
Let Doonesbury be kicked. And Non Sequitur, and everycartoonist. planetc Mar 2023 #3
Is it my imagination or have they increased their ad buys? halfulglas Mar 2023 #4
Does seem like there's a lot more Prevagen ads than used to be. KS Toronado Mar 2023 #17
I see them all the time on TV these days. Rhiannon12866 Mar 2023 #19
As I was reading Doonesbury. The Jungle 1 Mar 2023 #6
Hey, it keeps Jeopardy on the air, amirite? HardPort Mar 2023 #8
I remember The Furry Freak Brothers. twodogsbarking Mar 2023 #9
In contrast, lutein and zeaxanthin may actually have a beneficial effect on visual memory ... eppur_se_muova Mar 2023 #10
Thanks for that information KS Toronado Mar 2023 #12
TY! Non Sequitor, Pearls... electric_blue68 Mar 2023 #13
Thank you! 2naSalit Mar 2023 #14
Kicktoons for Doonesbury and Non Sequitur! Hekate Mar 2023 #15
Another great Doonesbury strip LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2023 #16

KS Toronado

(17,384 posts)
1. I know one person
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 07:21 AM
Mar 2023

who bragged about taking Prevagen for several years now and how much it helped him with memory loss. He now
has Dementia or Alzheimer's so bad he can't even talk according to his wife. Just did a "Prevagen reviews"
search online, appears Doonesbury might be doing a Public Service Announcement.

GB_RN

(2,391 posts)
5. Prevagen...
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:24 AM
Mar 2023

What a scam. There’s not a lot of stuff that can cross the blood-brain barrier (which protects the brain from infections, toxins, etc.,) because molecularly, they’re too large. Only select large molecules like glucose are actively transported across (to provide fuel for the neurons). Very few proteins are able to cross the barrier and this isn’t one of them. Read these for more on the scam.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/prevagen-memory-loss-does-it-work/2021/09/10/53e5d3e8-f3a6-11eb-a49b-d96f2dac0942_story.html

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/skeptical-cardiologist/80321

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/fda-curbs-unfounded-memory-supplement-claims-2019053116772

Most “supplements” are scammy to start; they’re basically today’s version of snake oil. Personally , I feel most should be removed from the market and the rest heavily regulated but the FDA has no jurisdiction. With all the money to be ripped off from the gullible public, I doubt that’s going to be allowed to change any time soon, either.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
7. I asked my GP about Prevagen when it first came on the market. He said it doesn't work.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:06 AM
Mar 2023

I am amazed all these years later that it still advertises itself as effective.

GB_RN

(2,391 posts)
11. If Things Like This Worked...
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 12:43 PM
Mar 2023

They’d be sold by prescription, not as an OTC supplement where the FDA can’t regulate it.

Snake oils, taking advantage of people’s ignorance (and/or lack of biological knowledge) and fears. Sounds like the RepubliKKKlan party SOP, eh? 🤬

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
4. Is it my imagination or have they increased their ad buys?
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 08:07 AM
Mar 2023

It seems that every time I change the channel they also have Prevagen ads. Them and those vegetable and fruit capsule ads.

Rhiannon12866

(206,332 posts)
19. I see them all the time on TV these days.
Mon Mar 27, 2023, 03:03 AM
Mar 2023

I thought maybe it's because I watch older TV shows late at night, but I guess not.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
6. As I was reading Doonesbury.
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 09:04 AM
Mar 2023

My wife's phone pinged. I realized I didn't have mine. Went to find it. It was in my pants pocket.
What is the memory stuff again. All I have to say is the 70s were a long decade.

eppur_se_muova

(36,307 posts)
10. In contrast, lutein and zeaxanthin may actually have a beneficial effect on visual memory ...
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 10:00 AM
Mar 2023
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8891800

Introduction

Lutein and zeaxanthin are fat-soluble nutrients forming part of the carotenoid family. Lutein is found in dark green leafy vegetables such as kale and spinach and in egg yolks and corn (1). Zeaxanthin is more prominently found in yellow and orange foods such as egg yolks, corn, orange capsicums, tangerines, persimmons, mandarins, and oranges (2, 3). In the body, lutein and zeaxanthin are found in eye, brain, breast and adipose tissue. Although lutein is not the major carotenoid in our diet, it is the carotenoid of the highest concentration in human brain tissue (4, 5). In fact, lutein and zeaxanthin account for 66 to 77% of the total carotenoid concentration in human brain tissue (6). Lutein and zeaxanthin have been identified in the hippocampus, cerebellum, and frontal, occipital, and temporal cortices (5, 7–9); and due to their powerful antioxidant and anti-inflammatory properties (10, 11), interest in their neuroprotective effects is increasing.

Studies examining the relationship between the dietary intake of carotenoids, including lutein and zeaxanthin, have demonstrated a generally positive relationship between lutein and zeaxanthin intake and cognitive health. For example, a higher dietary intake of lutein and/or zeaxanthin was associated with a lower risk of experiencing moderate-to-poor cognitive function in middle-aged women (12), better immediate and delayed word recall in older adults (13), and higher scores on several cognitive-based measures in adults over the age of 60 years (14). Moreover, higher plasma concentrations of lutein and/or zeaxanthin were associated with better cognitive function in older adults (15, 16), visual-spatial functioning in older adults (17), and relational memory performance in young and middle-aged adults (18). Macular pigment optical density (MPOD), which provide a measure of lutein and zeaxanthin concentration in the brain (8, 19), was also associated with better cognitive performance in older-age adults (16), adults with mild cognitive impairment (20), and in adults with age-related macular degeneration (21). However, despite these findings, results from randomized controlled trials have been inconsistent. For example, 12 months of supplementation with 10 mg of lutein and 2 mg of zeaxanthin were associated with improvements in complex attention and cognitive flexibility in community-dwelling older adults (22), buffered cognitive decline on a verbal learning task in older adults (22), and increased spatial memory in young, healthy adults (23). In this latter study, participants who experienced increases in MPOD, irrespective of group allocation, experienced improvements in visual memory, complex attention, and reasoning ability. However, in a large 5-year study on older-age adults with intermediate or advanced age-related macular degeneration, lutein and zeaxanthin supplementation did not change cognitive function as measured by several telephone-administered cognitive tasks (24). These inconsistent findings are likely due to differences in the population recruited, outcome measures used, and treatment duration. Exposure to dietary sources of lutein and zeaxanthin are also likely to confound results as it is challenging to conduct clinical trials on nutrients that are found in everyday foods and may be consumed by participants daily. The finding by Renzi-Hammond et al. (23) where improvements in cognitive performance occurred in participants who experienced increases in MPOD, irrespective of group allocation, suggests increases in brain concentration of lutein and zeaxanthin (either via dietary sources or supplementation) are necessary for improvements in cognition to be realized.

KS Toronado

(17,384 posts)
12. Thanks for that information
Sun Mar 26, 2023, 12:46 PM
Mar 2023

Going to order some lutein and zeaxanthin supplements for my Mom, appears it's listed mainly as a eye health
product. She needs help with both eyes and memory.

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