Is the Covenant a private school?

[Baitball Blogger]

And is this the first shooting in a private school?

[Cattledog]

1. Yes it is a private school.

[spooky3]

2. Yes, it's private. Don't know if it's the first. Nt

[Ocelot II]

3. The school is operated by Covenant Presbyterian Church.

The Presbyterian Church is one of the more liberal Protestant denominations. They are not Bible-banging evangelicals; they support LGBTQ relationships, including the ordination of gay clergy and same-sex marriage. They are not anti-abortion and leave the issue to personal conscience. They also support gun control. https://www.presbyterianmission.org/what-we-believe/social-issues/

[Baitball Blogger]

4. Thank you.

Great information.

[Effete Snob]

20. No, it is completely wrong information

PCA is a right wing church which does not allow women to preach and does not recognize marriage equality.

They are not the mainstream denomination described above.

[Baitball Blogger]

38. I read up on the post and I'm caught up.

Thank you.

[MontanaMama]

7. Jeez.

I wonder if this is why they were a target...literally.

[Elessar Zappa]

9. Are you sure it's run by the liberal denomination?

There’s another large Presbyterian denomination that’s very conservative.

[Ocelot II]

13. I only know of the main one; if there's a more conservative spin-off

maybe they do belong to the it (it's Tennessee, after all). Even so, it was pretty out there to assume that the shooter had been molested at the school because it's a private Christian school.

[Elessar Zappa]

33. Yeah, it's a stretch to assume that.

[Celerity]

40. it is a PCA (RW) church and school

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_in_America

The Presbyterian Church in America (PCA) is the second-largest Presbyterian church body, behind the Presbyterian Church (USA), and the largest conservative Calvinist denomination in the United States. The PCA is Reformed in theology and presbyterian in government.

https://www.thecovenantschool.com/contact/

[Effete Snob]

60. The denomination also runs a college

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. No. Covenant Presbyterian Church is affiliated with the Presbyterian Church in America, which is

separate from the Presbyterian Church (USA), for reasons you can probably guess.

[Ocelot II]

14. OK, I stand corrected. Wasn't familiar with the other Presbyterian church.

Even so, the assumption about the school being a hotbed of pedophiles was unwarranted.

[niyad]

21. Where is that assumption in the OP?

[Ocelot II]

24. It was an assumption in another OP which has been deleted.

The issue has to do with the fact that it's a Christian school.

[niyad]

26. Well, since some of us did not see that other OP, your comment seemed a

bit odd.

[Ocelot II]

27. Sorry about that, I should have explained.

[niyad]

29. Thank you.

[Effete Snob]

23. The one I attended was

When the youth pastor of the PCA church I attended years ago was caught having "inappropriate relationships" with teen girls, they simply moved him to another church far away, and law enforcement was never involved.

They run a college in Tennessee. One of their notable graduates shot John Lennon.

[Ocelot II]

25. Seems to be a thing with some churches - just shuffle the offender off

somewhere else, cover up the situation, let someone else deal with it. Some Catholic dioceses had been doing that for ages.

[Effete Snob]

31. This denomination does precisely that

Saw it with my own eyes.

[yardwork]

48. I never knew that.

[moonshinegnomie]

35. there are 2 prebyterians churches in america

one is the Presbyterian Church USA which is liberal the other is the Presbyterian Church in America which is anti abortion,anti LBGTQ+ etc...

this school is affiliated with the Presbyterian Church in America,the right wing one

[Ocelot II]

37. I have been informed of that fact, which I didn't know.

The Presbyterians around here are mostly liberal and at worst harmless.

[yardwork]

45. There are at least two Presbyterian denominations in the United States.

One of them is very right wing evangelical.

[Ocelot II]

46. So I have been informed. I was only aware of the more liberal one.

[yardwork]

49. Sorry, I'm seeing the other posts now. Didn't mean to pile on.

I'm familiar with the conservative denomination. They have some... unusual approaches to child rearing. I call it abuse.

[Ocelot II]

50. That's OK, I was wrong, had never heard of the conservative denomination.

[Effete Snob]

59. They run a college too

Their most famous alumnus:



Notice the juxtaposition and darkening.

[Just A Box Of Rain]

58. Actually not "evangelical."

The PCA embraces "reformed" theology (aka Calvinism), which includes a belief that salvation (or the opposite) is predestined and beyond human control. Therefore "spreading the good news" and trying to save people via evangelizing is unnecessary and largely purposeless.

PCA is right-wing. But right-wing and evangelical are not synonymous terms.

[Sanity Claws]

5. Private and VERY white

I just checked out its website and all photos are of white staff and white children. The children wear uniforms.

Here's a link, https://www.thecovenantschool.com/

[Ocelot II]

8. School uniforms are evidence of what, exactly?

[Captain Zero]

15. ChristoFascism probably.

nt

[Ocelot II]

16. You're kidding, right?

[Effete Snob]

28. no, the PCA is expressly christo-fascist

It's a rightwing Evangelical Christian organization.

The one I attended years ago not only had the stereotypical pedophile youth pastor, but also made a young teenager "apologize to the congregation" when she became pregnant.

This is not the place you seem to think it is.

[Ocelot II]

30. We've clarified that now, I think.

But the fact that the kids wear uniforms doesn't make the school Christo-fascist. Many private schools of all sorts require uniforms.

[sarisataka]

18. My children attended parochial school

That was 70% POC. They also had openly gay and transgender students.

They wore uniforms.

[LeftInTX]

22. Some public schools here have uniforms

It's mainly in lower income areas

[BlackSkimmer]

12. The school closest my house requires uniforms.

I'm quite sure it's majority kids of color, so uniforms mean absolutely nothing regarding race for crying out loud.

[bamagal62]

43. Very well to do area.

Butts up against Belle Meade and Green Hills.

[lees1975]

6. It is a private school. It is not the first shooting in a private, Christian school.

West Nickles Mines School shooting, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, October 2, 2006. Ten female students shot, five died, along with the gunman, who committed suicide. The school was Amish.

[Aristus]

10. A private Christian school.

Which means the shooting didn't happen because "they took Jesus out of the schools".

[Jilly_in_VA]

17. It's a private Christian school

in an affluent area, affliated with the PCA which is the conservative variety of Presbyterians, and a feeder school for a bunch of very pricey private secondary schools.

[Amishman]

19. Definitely not the first at a private school, there was one not far from me in 2006

West Nickel Mines School in 2006, one room amish school house, 5 students killed.

[Conjuay]

32. A mini safe room in every classroom

would cost $50,000 per room. Tax the hell out of every assault rifle, round of ammunition, and bankrupt the NRA for the rest.

I know it won’t happen, but nothing else is “going to happen” except more casket sales.

[debm55]

34. Yes, it is. However, 6 people were shot and killed there. Included three children.Whether it was a

private school or not, whether they wore uniforrms or not, whether they were strict in their teachings or not. None of them deserved what happened to them today because of our piss poor gun laws.

[Ocelot II]

36. Exactly right. Nobody deserved what happened there,

and no matter what the shooter's motive turns out to be, it happened because she had easy access to guns.

[Baitball Blogger]

39. Yes, but we won't be able to change our piss poor gun laws, until hard right parents have a reason

to support them. And, unfortunately, they're the kind of people who are crisis oriented.

[Baitball Blogger]

42. More freakonomics than desire.

[debm55]

44. I have no idea what that means.

[yardwork]

47. I suggest you delete this post.

Nobody in this thread, including the poster to whom you're responding, is saying any of those things. I understand you're upset but this post is not cool.

[debm55]

51. Thank you. Yes, I was a teacher for 40 years. However, there are a number of assumptions being made

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this thread and they are allowed to stand?

[yardwork]

54. Thank you for your dedicated service!

I can't imagine his difficult and sad this must be for you.

[Effete Snob]

61. You can always alert on inappropriate content

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2023/03/the-sex-abuse-scandal-at-nashvilles-covenant-school-and-church-being-ignored-by-the-national-media

Specifically, the allegation is that in 2008 Covenant Presbyterian church officials sought to intentionally ruin Mr. Davis’ good name and reputation by falsely accusing him of being ‘mentally unbalanced,’ telling civil authorities, members of the congregation, and others that he was “a security concern” and was “threatening to bring harm to the congregation or its members by use of force, including but not limited to guns.” This slander, according to the allegation, was designed to discredit Austin Davis and to allow church officials to conceal from public view the “heinous and repetitive” sexual molestations of a minor by one of the church’s officers (see Complaints 18-24).

[debm55]

52. How will we do that?

[Baitball Blogger]

53. Nothing we can do, except to give these grieving parents our support.

And support to politicians and organizations that seek gun regulation.

[yardwork]

55. I'm guessing that right wingers won't accuse the parents of faking their childrens' deaths.

[Baitball Blogger]

57. Right?

And if they try to use these inhuman tactics, the painful response will be the same as it has been for every parent that has been put in this position.

Maybe some lightbulbs will go off.

[SharonClark]

56. Not piling on but Presbyterians have denominations

similar to the Lutherans.

We have (at least) United Presbyterians and Free Presbyterians where I live. You can guess which one is more progressive.