So, since it appears to be the case that the shooter in Nashville was a part of the trans community

[Atticus]

and he identified as a male, several of the intellectually stellar pillars of moral pulchritude--- like Marjie--- are already blaming that trans status as the reason for the murder of three 9 year olds and three 60-something adults. The implication, of course, is "This is what THEY are like! This is what THEY do! HATE ON 'EM!"

I don't have the exact numbers, but it seems to me that over half of the mass shooters over the past 50 years were straight white guys---like me. Does my heterosexual Caucasian status mean I'm next on your baseless persecution list?

Or, do you only pick on those you consider defenseless minorities?

And, here's a thought---maybe the damn GUNS are the problem!

[kelly1mm]

1. If this person identifies as male did the Sherrif in the press conference misgender the shooter?

From reports I read the Sherrif referred to the shooter as 'she'?

[Meadowoak]

4. It was a she, transitioning to a he.

[kelly1mm]

8. Still confused as, from what I understand, a mere declaration of gender identity by the individual

is all that is needed to be transgender (as opposed to some set of medical/surgical procedures) and this person identified as male did the Sheriff misgender the shooter?

[joshcryer]

15. I think people are getting it wrong, they identified as afab...

...on their reddit account (easy to find won't link here). Afab means a female assigned at birth, so biologically / born female. They were a transgender male but many of their posts imply they were asexual or non-binary and preferred they/them pronouns.

[kelly1mm]

16. ok thanks for the clarification! I am admittedly not totally up to speed with all the

terminology and or norms of the transgender/transitioning community.

[LeftInTX]

60. Yes..non-binary at this point. I said "gender-fluid"

but was probably wrong term.

Occasionally referred to as Aiden. May or may not have been transitioning, but may have been contemplating it.

[meadowlander]

49. He was a he, if that's what he identified as.

Please don't refer to trans people as "it".

[womanofthehills]

55. Someone on here said on Reddit the shooter identified as they/them

On other social media sites as he/him.

[BigmanPigman]

6. I'm confused about this, too.

[fescuerescue]

19. Well that person was a killer

I'm not to worried if the sheriff offender he or she.

[kelly1mm]

21. True, but if the shooter/killer was a racial minority or homosexual I would assume using offensive

terms about that person would be frowned upon? I mean this individual is dead so they will not take offense but what about others in the trans community. If this was a black person could the Sherriff describe them as the N-word? The individual would take no offence (since they are dead) so no harm done?

[fescuerescue]

23. perhaps

But you aren't going to find me leading the charge to defend them.

I'll happily leave that to others.

[kelly1mm]

24. Agreed. Sorry to drag you into my hypotheticals! nt

[NullTuples]

42. I'll object to misgendering if it's intentional b/c it hurts all trans people

Saying a trans person doesn't deserve to be correctly gendered because they did something evil means it's a judgement call every time.

And there are a lot of people out there who will say just being trans is evil, so therefore none deserve to have their gender respected.

[Retrograde]

45. The sheriff can't ask the shooter

so the sheriff probably went on appearance plus any id the shooter was carrying.

[edisdead]

63. Right?

This thread seems a bit silly to me.

[Trenzalore]

2. MTG knows what she is doing

She isn't speaking to the broader electorate, she is speaking to a tiny minority and minority of that minority, and it is to encourage violence against the trans community.

[Initech]

20. She is a truly vile, rotten, nasty piece of shit.

[Meadowoak]

22. Yep

[Sympthsical]

3. You'd be wrong

"I don't have the exact numbers, but it seems to me that well over 95% of the mass shooters over the past 50 years were straight white guys"

Identities of mass shooters.

Of the 172 individuals who engaged in public mass shootings covered in the database, 97.7% were male. Ages ranged from 11 to 70, with a mean age of 34.1. Those shooting were 52.3% White, 20.9% Black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% Middle Eastern, and 1.8% Native American.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

That 95% guess is what happens when people only care about a shooter's identity when it's convenient for narrative purposes. Suffice to say, the Right is about to care a lot about this.

Maybe if everyone cared every time more would be done. But as long as every mass shooting is followed instantly by tribal football, it'll be the usual nothing changes.

[Srkdqltr]

9. Does this flippen matter?? When people go into stats like that

It takes away from the murder... it softens it . Makes it less. When they natter about gun types it takes away from the MURDER.

Man, woman whatever any color or ethnic origin, IT'S MURDER plain and simple.

[BigmanPigman]

10. "Nashville suspect is the fifth female mass shooter in US history"

https://nypost.com/2023/03/27/nashville-shooter-fifth-female-mass-shooter-in-us-history/

I just read this and it backs up your stats....

"Nashville suspect is the fifth female mass shooter in US history"

"The 28-year-old Nashville resident who unleashed deadly terror at a private Christian elementary school in Tennessee on Monday is just the fifth female mass shooter in US history, data shows."

[Ms. Toad]

28. The shooter was male. Not female.

He was assigned female at birth, but is now male.

[Atticus]

12. Apparently, I was wrong. I suppose I may have been too influenced by these past several years

and I do wonder about the past 4 years not covered by the NIJ article.

Thank you for the correction.

[TheProle]

14. +1

We love a good selective memory in America.

[MichMan]

46. According to the stats, whites would be under represented then

So much for the common narrative.

[BlackSkimmer]

57. "Tribal football"

Indeed.

[sl8]

58. +1

At least this poster qualified their sratement with "seems to me". Often you'll see shit like that posted as if it were fact.

[mcar]

5. Sheriff said she identified as female

Looks like we need to wait till we know more.

[Maru Kitteh]

26. "Looks like we need to wait till we know more". . . my dear mcar

now . . . . . ... . .. I know this isn't your first day on DU.

[mcar]

59. ...

[womanofthehills]

27. Now they are saying she was born female but uses he, him pronouns

Also saying the shooter planned this and they have drawings and writings. I think they were searching the father’s house.

[Celerity]

40. I saw that too (I posted the video) BUT now some mainstream sources say the police have flip flopped

for instance:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/audrey-hale-nashville-school-shooting-b2309043.html

Asked at a press conference whether there was anything found in a police search of Hale’s apartment that could have suggested a motive for such a horrific crime, Chief Drake said: “We have a manifesto, we have some writings we’re going over that pertain to this day, the actual incident.

“We have a map drawn out of how this was all going to take place. “There’s right now a theory that we may be able to talk about later but it’s not confirmed, and so we’ll put that out as soon as we can.”

Police have identified the suspected shooter by their name at birth; Hale reportedly was a transgender man who used he/him pronouns, though law enforcement officials initially described the suspect as a woman in the aftermath of the shooting. Police did not provide another name.

In answer to a question as to whether Hale’s transgender status might have any bearing on a motive, Chief Drake said: “There is some theory to that. We’re investigating all the leads and once we know exactly, we will let you know.” He said that the attack was targeted.

[Cattledog]

7. ABC news says shooter identified as female.

[Salviati]

36. I wouldn't put too much trust in any reporting for the next few days.

The news media is concerned more about having something to say, and saying it first, than being correct.

[central scrutinizer]

11. When the shooter is a Christian white heterosexual male

He is a “lone wolf” who in no way represents Christian white heterosexual males. If the shooter is not a Christian white heterosexual male, then their entire community is demonized.

[NowISeetheLight]

30. Eric Rudolph

A perfect example of a Christian terrorist.

[yardwork]

32. Who was protected for months in the mountains of NC.

He was considered a hero by some.

[NowISeetheLight]

33. Good Christians?

All those good Christian fanboys who supported him bombing those abortion clinics seem to conveniently forget the Atlanta Olympic Bombing.

[yardwork]

34. They protected him after he bombed the Olympics.

These people are crazy.

[moose65]

41. Months??

Rudolph hid out for 5 years in the national forest area near Murphy, NC. The same area that eventually elected Madison Cawthorn. 😁

[yardwork]

13. They only pick on defenseless minorities.

And I don't think they care about the victims, either. People like MTG are sociopaths.

[brer cat]

17. +1

[kelly1mm]

18. Apparently this minority had 2 assault weapons and a handgun so not exactly defenseless. nt

[yardwork]

31. But MTG isn't picking on the alleged shooter.

MTG and her buddies are picking on all trans people.

[DENVERPOPS]

38. LOL

This comes from a woman who is trying to "transition" to becoming a "human being"............along with the entire Republican Party......

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

25. crime by a minority is ALWAYS attributed to the minority. that''s why POC cringe when the perp is

a member of their group.

[NowISeetheLight]

29. Could It Be

A “non-heterosexual White Christian” who was so beat up by the Christian Taliban indoctrination over the years finally lost it. I’ll be interested to see what the manifesto I saw mentioned in the news says. I wonder where the shooter went to school after this. More Christian schools where they heard what a sinner they were for years? Where they couldn’t talk to anyone? What were the parents like? Understanding or fanatical nuts?

A lot of questions to be answered. I’ll never condone this type of violence, but I do understand how someone pushed to the edge can reach a breaking point.

[mjvpi]

47. I believe you are on the correct track. They were a student at this school, from what I read.

Growing up and going through puberty is a rotten experience for most of us who find a way to fit into traditional definitions. History, science and brave human beings are confirming that what is "normal" is a very individual thing. There were issues with how their insides didn’t match what what was taught in that school. It obviously wasn’t a message of love and acceptance.

Obviously there in no excuse for what they did.

[Rocknation]

35. Well, if she thinks they're THAT awful

Is she willing to take away their guns?


Rocknation

[pnwmom]

39. The answer to that is: between 1999 and 2022 there were 376 school shootings

and none of those shooters was a trans person.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/interactive/school-shootings-database/

[Zeitghost]

52. I don't believe that is true

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-colorado-shooting/transgender-teen-sentenced-to-life-in-prison-for-deadly-colorado-school-shooting-idUSKCN24Q00D

[pnwmom]

53. Okay, 2 out of 388. nt

[hardluck]

54. So .5%

Which is the same at the percent of Americans over the age of 13 who identify as transgender.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/publications/trans-adults-united-states/

Pretty much what you’d expect.

[Iggo]

43. Part of the killing people with guns community. (n/t)

[jaxexpat]

44. Lets make it easy.

It is a child killer.

[meadowlander]

50. Please don't call trans people "it".

No matter what they've done, you're insulting the entire trans community by normalising reference to transgender people as "it".

[meadowlander]

48. Anti-trans lobby blaming this shooting on testoterone therapy in 5...4...3...2...

[grantcart]

51. Here is my problem with your premise

How does an individual's decision to identify in a certain way ( in this case as a trans male) make them a part of a community especially since the individual's most essential actions are inimical to the values of 99% of the community members?

IMO this individual is no more a part of the trans community.

Ted Bundy was, like me, from WA State and a couple of years ahead of me. Although from a different city we ran in similar circles and I knew people that he was friendly with.

No one would say that Ted was part of the heterosexual community, or the white community, etc. He was a serial killer from WA State who was white, heterosexual and active in government.

This person is a serial killer from Tennessee. I don't see anything beyond his personal choice of sexual identification identity that makes him an active member of the trans community.

It seems to me that to be "a part" of a community they need to share a substantial part of the core values of that community.

[Kaleva]

56. This isn't about incels either

It's about guns

[BlackSkimmer]

61. Do you ever see threads here on DU condemning white men as shooters, morons, magats, and other

such pejoratives?

Because I have seen those threads. Lots of familiar names on those threads now complaining about generalizations in this particular case.

So why do some here do the same thing you are saying the rw does?

You seem to spend a great deal of time on DU, so I know you've seen the threads of which I speak.

[Torchlight]

62. The re-newed push against the trans community will be insidious.

The obvious responses will be obvious: Sloganeering; loud, profitable sanctimony in the high holy houses of marketing and electioneering; for-profit news broadcasters chiding us who we're supposed to hate today.

The less obvious, the more insidious responses (around my office) will seem more often than not, a series of variations on "well, what if/about...?" and "I'm just asking...!" routines, stale and boring, but a consistent tool of the tools.