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[Ocelot II]

1. All of them?

[Irish_Dem]

3. 40% of adult Americans own guns.

We would have a very large national guard.

[GenXer47]

6. they can opt out - by handing over their guns

[MarineCombatEngineer]

8. Yeah, ummmm,

No!!!!

[Ocelot II]

9. I don't have time to explain how unconstitutional that whole idea is,

but it's unconstitutional, as well as ridiculous.

[Iggo]

32. LOL...Yes.

[FalloutShelter]

2. Absolutely...

Well regulated militia.
I’d go further. When you register your gun
(Mandated by law) You register for military draft.
Lottery system. Recruiting is at the lowest point in decades… we can fix that.

[sl8]

36. Draft registration is already mandatory for men in the US.

How much do you think mandatory draft registration for women that own guns would reduce crime?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

4. So you would draft this 75 yo into the NG?

Just because I legally own 1, count it,1 handgun?

Well, you're right about one thing in your thread, it is ridiculous.

I paid my dues, no thanks.

[Ocelot II]

7. I'm just a bit younger

and legally own a shotgun which I have never fired. I'm sure an old lady with a never-used shotgun would be a very useful National Guard member. Ridiculous doesn't even cover it.

[EYESORE 9001]

16. Hey, I'm 68, and I'd go back in the Navy if they called me up

If the situation was so dire that they’d call up the likes of me, then I may as well give it everything to defeat the adversary.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

17. I'm with you there,

but the OP's thread is beyond ridiculous, it's outright stupid and unconstitutional.

[EYESORE 9001]

18. So I gathered

I wasn’t even gonna engage until I saw your post, which set me thinking about the absurdity of recalling someone like me to active duty. I’d be many times more of a liability than an asset.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

19. +100. nt

[MichMan]

5. National Guard members are all paid for their service

Where will the money to pay them all come from?

[Ocelot II]

10. The sale of their confiscated guns, of course,

since the guns most people own are not suitable as weapons for the National Guard.

[EarthFirst]

11. The sale of the firearms to whom? nt

[Ocelot II]

12. Exactly.

It's a ridiculous idea in all respects.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. LOL.

I see what you did there.

[Redleg]

14. No thanks, I already served

And I do have a number of guns, all under lock and key. I was an avid shooter more than 20 years ago and haven't fired one since.

I have said many times when discussing guns with my students "if you want to shoot an assault-style rifle then join the army." I have said the same about people wanting Humvees.

While I appreciate the dark humor of your point, I don't think it will be very helpful in getting these weapons banned.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

15. .....

I have said many times when discussing guns with my students "if you want to shoot an assault-style rifle then join the army."

Naw, not the Army, join the Marines.

[Redleg]

54. Typical Jarhead

And I mean that affectionately. I served with a few Marines at the field artillery school at Fort Sill. Good guys.

[themaguffin]

20. No.

[dembotoz]

21. so give them the training so they actually think they could win in a civil war?

no

[sanatanadharma]

22. If "nothing can be done!", then ...

... America is done.

Pass laws, demand gun safes, insurance, use zoning, pass anti-gun laws over and over and ignore the Supreme Court. Force the issue upon America. Define arms by law to be those known in 1789. Highlight the preamble of the Constitution. The Constitution is invalid if it fails the words of the preamble.

Force Americans to choose between centuries of fatal tradition or an actual functioning society that treats the idea of kids bleeding out in schools as a sign of mental, moral, social dis-eases. Keep the courts busy with new laws, appeals, public discussion, pressure on judges and everyone else to justify the status quo as good, acceptable, necessary, unchangeable.
Make it clear who is for humanity and who is bestial and favors child sacrifices.

There are those on the right pushing for a constitutional convention. They do not believe that nothing can be done about the Constitution.

Demand justice not 'just us' for for the overarmed few. There is NO well regulated militia if the USA does not have call-up contact information about bearers of arms or the arms and ammunition available.

Stop coddling the gun-lovers and killers.

[sarisataka]

23. Been there, done that

Have the t-shirt to prove it. I'm still potentially subject to recall as a member of the retired reserve.

When I was in they gave me a rifle that had a switch to make it go pewpewpew. Will I get one of those again? I can bring my own but they are pretty boring all being based on designs over 100 years old.

[Amishman]

24. Let's just wave our magic wand and make the guns vanish

Sorry for the snark, but this is laughably (painfully) impractical.

The NG couldn't handle it, and wouldn't want it.
This would be impossible to pass.
It wouldn't survive the courts.

It's just an emotional knee jerk reaction that doesn't help anything.

The most we could possibly hope for our of this is red flag laws, either directly at the federal level or some sort of incentive for states to establish them. Maybe better background checks.

Focus on the possible. Make incremental progress.

[samnsara]

25. i like my guns and i dont wanna go into the national guard..

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. "A bit ridiculous" is an understatment.

[bluesbassman]

27. Army vet here.

A question to those that are deriding the OP’s suggestion as ridiculous, un-Constitutional, etc., is it not ridiculous, un-Constitutional, grotesque, and obscene that three nine year old children and three adults have joined the ever expanding list of American citizens who have been deprived of their lives all because of an amendment that never foresaw killing machines being used against them?

To be clear, I don’t believe conscripting gun owners into the National Guard is the solution, or even Constitutionally legal, but we’re way beyond the tipping point in gun control and thinking outside of the box like this is our only hope of stopping the carnage.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

28. ....

A question to those that are deriding the OP’s suggestion as ridiculous, un-Constitutional, etc., is it not ridiculous, un-Constitutional, grotesque, and obscene that three nine year old children and three adults have joined the ever expanding list of American citizens who have been deprived of their lives all because of an amendment that never foresaw killing machines being used against them?

I don't believe anyone here has said that, what was said is that the OP's thread is ridiculous, stupid and unconstitutional, which it is.

[bluesbassman]

29. I didn't say anyone did "say" that. I asked a question.

You haven’t answered the question.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

30. I didn't answer the question

because it's pretty obvious what the answer is here on DU.

[bluesbassman]

31. You'd be surprised.

I’m not, but you might be.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

34. You must have missed where I said here on DU.

I haven't seen anyone here on DU say anything like that.

[bluesbassman]

39. I missed nothing. For eighteen years here on DU...

I have seen post after post by gun enthusiasts and defenders about how their right to gun possession, regardless of model, is supreme. We will never solve our Nation’s mass shooting epidemic as long as people think that way, even here on good ole DU.

[Ocelot II]

38. Of course it's ridiculous, un-Constitutional, grotesque, and obscene

that three nine year old children and three adults have joined the ever expanding list of American citizens who have been deprived of their lives all because of an amendment that never foresaw killing machines being used against them. But the OP's proposed solution is absurd and completely untenable. We need ideas that could actually work if we had the political will to use them, which right now we (meaning our feckless representatives in Congress) do not.

[bluesbassman]

41. Sensible ideas get batted away as a matter of course.

Perhaps it time to come up with some “ridiculous” ideas that freak the gun nuts out so they’ll be a little more receptive to actual workable common sense ideas instead.

What we’re doing now isn’t saving any school children from being shot to death.

[MichMan]

43. Just repeal the 2nd amendment

That would have a better chance of succeeding than this...

[Act_of_Reparation]

33. Great idea.

I'm sure the local National Guard office is gonna be really happy to find an overweight 40 year old with sleep apnea waddling up to their premises with a pump action 12 gauge and .22 plinking rifle.

[Ocelot II]

37. This old lady with the same sort of shotgun will be right behind you!

I'm sure they'll be happy to have us along with our weapons of war.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. I just love a hit and run thread.

[LexVegas]

40. The Constitution protects rights you don't like too.

[usonian]

42. The OP is just exploring out of the box ideas, IMO.

This is often done to break self-limitation in brainstorming sessions, and may lead to practical ideas being "unfrozen" from the pat answers, which usually have been proven not to work.

After all, we are living in what was the sci-fi world of the past.

When guns are banned, will we fight with baseball bats?



Donny and Mike, aka Beavis and Butthead, are living that future. Judge people by deeds rather than words.

Besides, you never know when guns may be "melted into plowshares"


But very seriously, Florence Shinn, in her book "The Game of Life and How to Play it" says:

Fear is inverted faith; it is faith in evil instead of good.

And that "man attracts what he fears"

So, gun fanatics live lives of fear, rather than faith. They will be enlightened sooner or later, and perhaps the ministers of fear, including Rupert Moloch, will get their due.

But we can all set an example of living in hope rather than fear.

[John1956PA]

45. The OP begs the question: Could the "well regulated" preamble be somehow used to curtail semi-autos?

I think that is a fair question, but I do not think the courts would use the "well regulated" preamble to lessen the pervasiveness of semi-automatic rifles.

[Bonx]

44. Let's post nutty ideas all day long

[EX500rider]

46. Of course all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45 are all ready in the Reserve Militia

If they know it or not.
Militia Act of 1903
The 1903 act repealed the Militia Acts of 1795 and designated the militia (per Title 10 of the U.S. Code, Section 311) as two classes: the Reserve Militia, which included all able-bodied men between ages 17 and 45, and the Organized Militia, comprising state militia (National Guard) units receiving federal support.

[NutmegYankee]

49. The reserve militia is just the body capable of being drafted into service.

You're not actually part of the militia.

[EX500rider]

51. I disagree

It quite plainly says the militia is divided into two categories, the reserve militia and the more formal national guard type.

I'm sure in a Red Dawn type of scenario they would expect the reserve militia to pull their weight.

[NutmegYankee]

52. A lot of American men are getting screwed out of their funeral honors then...

[keithbvadu2]

47. It's ridiculous as it claims but think of cowards Eric and Donnie Jr suddenly getting bone spurs.

Diagnosed by Congressman Ronny Jackson.

[NutmegYankee]

48. You'd have to go back to the militia rules of the 1820s and below.

Drill twice a year, no modern physical fitness requirements. Do that and I think it's fair.

[roamer65]

50. No.

I’ve been registered for Selective Service for 40 years for a country that has consistently shit all over my basic human rights as a gay man.

I’ve done my duty and I want off the Selective Service roll.

[Mike Niendorff]

53. What madness is this?

The idea that "a well regulated militia" means exactly that: a WELL REGULATED MILITIA?

Not "an unregulated group of randos who got on an NRA mailing list".

Not "a mildly regulated group of right-wingers who fantasize about violent fascist revolution".

No.

** WELL REGULATED **

** MILITIA **

That is the scope of the Second Amendment.

Period.


MDN

[SYFROYH]

55. Yeah, that's the ticket.