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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPlease help me understand why drag shows are NOT protected by the 1st amendment.
If people can march down the avenue proudly displaying NAZI paraphernalia, why can't people gather dressed as another gender? I don't get it.
Meadowoak
(5,543 posts)Irish_Dem
(46,771 posts)For the rest of us, the rules are meant to control, punish and torture us.
Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)Unless specified.
Walleye
(30,996 posts)edisdead
(1,912 posts)I have trans kids that ride my school bus every day and it has never been an issue. If that doesnt bother them drag likely wouldnt either.
Walleye
(30,996 posts)I mean where the hell does homophobia come from anyway? And before I get corrected I know women are involved in all this deplorable behavior. I cant begin to understand that
edisdead
(1,912 posts)claudette
(3,513 posts)it was only drag shows in front of children that werent allowed
jimfields33
(15,751 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)claudette
(3,513 posts)may be in the content of the shows that are not allowed in front of children much like the way certain movies are rated for adults only.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)claudette
(3,513 posts)Last edited Sat Apr 1, 2023, 04:59 PM - Edit history (1)
I would not want my young children exposed to adult content no matter WHO was the entertainer - drag or not. Parents have the right to have it banned in certain cases. In my view they also have the duty to avoid such a situation
W_HAMILTON
(7,849 posts)If a parent doesn't want to take their child to a drag show, that's fine -- that's their decision.
But it shouldn't be up to the government to enforce criminal penalties on these sorts of drag shows or drag queens. Your kid is much more likely to see FAR worse at the movie theaters than they are at the vast majority of drag shows.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)Leave it up to the parents of the children there, not some fucking repug politicians.
claudette
(3,513 posts)my previous remark on movie ratings that have adult content. Drag shows with adult content are not suitable for children in my view. And those who run schools and libraries are right to ban that kind of entertainment. Theres nothing wrong with kids knowing there are drag shows. They are easily available on the internet.
JI7
(89,244 posts)Kids are banned from entering a theater with a movie that has adult content.
JI7
(89,244 posts)is not good
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)If you can answer that, I will acquiesce.
claudette
(3,513 posts)Why drag shows are banned in libraries and schools? What kind of shows are they doing there?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)claudette
(3,513 posts)I corrected the word from sexual to adult . My first comment was that I thought only drag shows with adult content were banned for children. Otherwise. I dont see why G rated shows should be banned. And parents have the choice to not send their kids to it.
Now you can tell me why they want to ban drag shows. What kind of shows are they doing?
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)the ONLY thing that matters is that people that the "reich wing" considers dangerous are doing them. Aren't you sick of ONE group of people, sometimes even ONE person, deciding what is right and wrong?
claudette
(3,513 posts)We will have to disagree. I DO think it matters what kind of shows (of any kind) anyone is performing in front of children. Im not a libertarian who is afraid of rules and regulations especially ones that protect children. Of course, drag shows should not be BANNED simply because of WHO performs them. I never was for that and never will be.
allegorical oracle
(2,357 posts)performing at schools or libraries. Maybe I'm wrong, but thought the school-library issue was about reading books to kids.
claudette
(3,513 posts)sure either. Thats why I asked. I saw something online where there was suggestive dancing in front of elementary school kids but I dont know how reliable that report was.
I believe drag shows in general should not be banned because I think most adults are conscious about their behavior in front of children.
I need to find out exactly what the proposed law is banning.
In It to Win It
(8,228 posts)The complaint listed an example of a cheerleader, saying that if drag queen wears a mini skirt and a crop and performs a routine, that drag queen would be punished under this law. Meanwhile, a cheerleader wearing the exact same clothing and performing the same routine would not punished, because the cheerleader is not a "female impersonator."
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Even if there is nothing sexual about the costume or material, which is always the case for such events.
claudette
(3,513 posts)wrong. I said IF
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Especially if they are able to fashion crafted lawsuits around it - I bet certain federal judges & Supreme Court justices would just love to take the First Amendment and shave off a very few carefully chosen slices. Especially in the name of "religious liberty" or some other such BS.
In It to Win It
(8,228 posts)which, theoretically, could be anywhere. That's extremely broad and vague.
bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)nazis, same reasoning.
RocRizzo55
(980 posts)Is that its okay for women to dress in what is traditionally called mens clothing all day long, and nothing is said about it, but as soon as a man dresses up in clothing traditionally considered womens clothing, all hell breaks loose.
Can someone please explain?
yardwork
(61,585 posts)(First, it's important to note that the right-wingers generally don't like it when women wear pants. Note recent requirements enacted in the state house of Florida and others that women must wear dresses or skirts, cover their arms, etc.)
Men wearing dresses is a bridge too far for them. Why? Because these people are obsessed with gender roles. They are obsessed with "protecting" male privilege. They don't want any "mixing." This might lead to people starting to think that the sexes are equal or even (gasp!) that the whole gender-role construct isn't real. That's why they're hysterically fearful of gay people, trans people, anybody being allowed to call themselves non-binary, etc.
It threatens a world view based on the idea that men are superior and in charge. Oh, and that's supposed to be white men, too, but that's another post.
paleotn
(17,901 posts)Just like any other dictatorship run by fascists and religious nuts. They bend and twist the Constitution to fit their needs at the time. In short, they hate America.
yardwork
(61,585 posts)mopinko
(70,067 posts)delisen
(6,042 posts)Perhaps someone should ask republican Rudy Giuliani who performed in public this way and had engaged with Donald Trump in his act.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,986 posts)NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Sex education in high school? Adult entertainment.
Books they don't like, such as Huck Finn, Rethinking Columbus, or Maya Angelou's The Heart of a Woman? Adult entertainment.
There are no real constraints, are there?
TheBlackAdder
(28,179 posts)barbtries
(28,787 posts)it is.
republicans have nothing to bring to the table. they don't want to govern and they don't know how. so they just stir up shit.
i hate republicans
Javaman
(62,507 posts)They want to suppress anytime they see a man in in womens clothing and a women in mens clothing.
The fear the fabulous. They fear the freedom to be ones self. they fear freedom. Period
TheBlackAdder
(28,179 posts).
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Illegally legislating against constitutionally protected individual choices has become normal behavior for today's RW extremist party in dozens of states as well as federally.
Just looked -- yesterday a TN judge temporarily blocked their drag block saying it violates free speech. No doubt not the first case on its way, though.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)for that very reason.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)Federal judge blocks TN anti-drag bill
WBIR Channel 10
There's also this....
How the ACLU Tracks Anti-LGBTQ Bills, and How Were Fighting Back
Keep tabs on state legislative attacks against LGBTQ people with the ACLU's nationwide tracking system.
Link: https://www.aclu.org/news/lgbtq-rights/how-the-aclu-tracks-anti-lgbtq-bills
and this: https://www.aclu.org/issues/lgbtq-rights
Republicans are doing these things to create political distractions, knowing damn well they probably won't stand up in court, but they don't care. They just want to gather in a few more rubes under their tent for votes.
Sadly, it will take years in court for the ACLU and others to clean up this current mess of right-wing legislation.....
Anyone with more than a few brain cells will be asking why issues such as drag shows and certain books in school libraries were never an issue before and were not questioned for decades.
KY...........
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Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,986 posts)The loophole magat states use is the erotic, provocative, sexual angle.
They don't outlaw them, just try to make them adults only.
pwb
(11,258 posts)Freedom of the press yet they ban books? Everything they do is to weaken our country.
sinkingfeeling
(51,443 posts)intheflow
(28,451 posts)When it happens, it should shut this homophonic shit down.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)In a position to decide say they aren't? Has this been tested? Is seems like this whole drag show debate is rather recent, at least on a national scale. It takes awhile for stuff to make its way through the courts.
Bucky
(53,984 posts)Their fig leaf of a legal argument is that it can be age restricted based on "community values," just like NC-17 movies are, or explicit real world violence is, because of an inherent public interest. Under those circumstances, you can have reasonable guidelines on constitutional rights without legally infringing upon them.
And yes, everybody changes sides when the exact same argument is applied to the Second Amendment and high capacity assault weapons.
LuckyCharms
(17,424 posts)to be a family film.
The only reason the movie was rated "PG-13" instead of "G" was because of the use of the word "shit" a few times, the use of the word "fuck" one time, and because of scenes involving the drinking alcohol.
Republicans can take any issue at all, make it into something "dirty", and beat it to death until the entire issue is transformed into something unrecognizable and non-sensical.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)claudette
(3,513 posts)isnt banned. I thought it was drag shows with adult content that are banned. Where is the actual wording of the ban?
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)They include language that defines drag as dressed in the clothing of the opposite assigned gender at birth, which could actually be interepreted to prevent transgender people from public speaking or any arts performance like music or theater if children might be present. (or in the case of the KY ban, walking down the street or hanging out in their yard near a school)
The panic targets drag queen story hours, which are G-rated events with drag queens reading age-appropriate children's books.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_panic
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/kentucky-bill-ban-drag-shows-1000-feet-schools-parks-homes-rcna71066
"While the bill, SB 115, broadly takes aim at "adult-oriented businesses" which it also defines to include adult cabarets, strip clubs and adult movie theaters one of the bill's five co-sponsors said the idea for the bill originated, in part, from concerns over a family-friendly drag show in the state."
They are attempting to define ALL "drag" (which to them, also includes trans people existing in public as they're too ignorant and transphobic to make the distinction) as inherently "adult-oriented."
There is not and never has been some epidemic of children going to adult-oriented drag shows at clubs.
orleans
(34,043 posts)There is not and never has been some epidemic of children going to adult-oriented drag shows at clubs.
LostOne4Ever
(9,287 posts)But the Stolen Supreme Court will ignore that as they rubber stamp anything Reich winger do.
Midnight Writer
(21,733 posts)They know their base.
"You can take my internet porn when you pry it from my sweaty, hairy palms!"
Ms. Toad
(34,055 posts)Unfortunately, establishing that takes time and a significant amount of money to challenge the unconstitutional law.
Drag shows are nowhere near the line the Supreme Court has previously drawn.
Erotic dancing is protected as expressive conduct - as long as the dancer has at least pasties and G-strings on (permitted restriction, narrowly tailored to advance a substantial government interest in morality).
Unless they decide to toss out the previous line.