They are saying no African American can be their president

[malaise]

they are also saying that no Jew, African American or Latino can try them or give them orders.

This is the lynchpin of the argument promoted by the Slobfather and his racist, fascist goons linked to the BananaReTHUGs/

[Irish_Dem]

1. Probably no women either?

[malaise]

7. Yes

add women

[Richard D]

55. Or an IQ over 80 nt

[underpants]

9. That's why evangelicals love him.

He stopped a woman from being president. That’s inconceivable in the patriarchal system.

[onecaliberal]

11. In 200 years there hasn't been even one.

If people would really let that sink in, maybe brainless white women would stop voting against humanity.

[whathehell]

17. "Brainless" white women?

Sorry, but The Women's March, comprised largely of White Women, and held a day after Trump's innaugeration was the LARGEST protest march in American history.
Meanwhile 38% "brainless" Hispanics and a "brainless" 13% of Black men "voted against humanity" in 2016. Perhaps we should stop targeting people by race and gender.

[The Magistrate]

20. And The 'Not All Whatevers-ism' Can Be Done Without As Well

Far too many white people voted for Trump.

Anyone who votes for Trump may be fairly described as sorely deficient in brains.

Women of any color, and members of any minority group, who vote for Trump are the proverbial chickens voting for Colonel Sanders, and there is nothing wrong with pointing this out.

[whathehell]

29. In this case, not so much.

I do agree with your inclusive assessment of Trump voters, and that there's "nothing wrong with pointing this out", except, of course, when the ONLY group continually "pointed out" is white women.

[The Magistrate]

59. That Is Fair Enough

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I expect I have enough residual regard for the pieties of youth to expect better of women than men. Still certainly white men do a great deal worse, it's vaguely embarrassing: if you passed me on the street you'd be in your rights to expect I voted for the wretch, odds you were right would be about two to one, and those are odds I'd take any day.

[whathehell]

61. Thank you, Magistrate.

Your thoughtful response is much appreciated.

[PatrickforB]

62. I took your point. By the way, I like your signature line. Tao Te Ching, I believe, is it not?

[The Magistrate]

79. The Analects, Sir

I have altered it a little. 'People become uneasy' replaces 'rites and music are not properly performed'. That would make little sense, and require explanation to a modern ear. Unease among the people was both a result of and cause for proper execution of rituals to lapse, which meant things were out of balance with Heaven.

I do very much like the Tao, and it was a saying that a gentleman in office was a Confucian, a gentleman out of office was a Taoist....

[paleotn]

72. Oh, dear lord.

Umm, white men perhaps? Particularly those born and raised in the south, with evangelical upbringing like me? But you don't see me whining when those who look and sound like me are labeled as one of the roots of our recent political unpleasantness. White men, born and raised in the south, with evangelical upbringing rightly deserve the goddamn finger pointed at them.

Lucky for me, I grew up in a rather liberal wing of white men born and raised in the south. That allowed me to chuck the evilgelical part early on and remain a Democrat when others who look and sound like me took the racist road to modern Republicanism.

[Iggo]

53. The brainless ones, yes.

[whathehell]

60. "Yes"?

"Yes", what?..I never asked a question -- Maybe you need to reread the post.

[edisdead]

66. look at the voting percentages.

It is pretty damned clear.

[whathehell]

67. I did, and those said White MEN

voted in far greater numbers for Trump.

[edisdead]

73. Well yes thats true.

I think everyone lnows that white men are the most tesponsible for putting him in power.

What is shocking is the percentage of whote women in 16 and 20 that voted for him.

[whathehell]

78. Yes, but

not so shocking when you realize that most College Educated white women voted AGAINST Trump both times. Even non-College Educated white women voted against Trump in significantly greater numbers than their male counterparts. I personally found the numbers of Black and Hispanic male Trump voters to be shocking.

[marmar]

90. But black males still overwhelmingly voted for Biden. We're not the problem.

[whathehell]

91. Those who voted did..

There was a large racial gap in both the 2016 and the 2020 elections.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537966/trump-black-voters-exit-polls#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16804563012233&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2F2020%2F11%2F4%2F21537966%2Ftrump-black-voters-exit-polls

[marmar]

92. Link doesn't work. And again, we're not the demographic group that causes Dems to lose elections.

[whathehell]

93. The links I just posted should work...

and again, white women are not the "problem demographic" either. If you need to target one demographic, it would be white men, especially those without a college degree. That said, ALL those who ether voted for Trump or didn't vote at all, contributed greatly to "the problem".

[malaise]

75. Good points

[whathehell]

76. Thank you, Malaise.

Back at ya!

[appalachiablue]

89. +1

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

102. And what did the march accomplish?

Did it contribute to the passage of any law that helps women?

Nope.

Did it keep abortion legal?

Nope.

For decades now, marches like that have done effectively zero to accomplish anything other than making the participants feel good.

I don't care if it makes you feel good to do it. I care about *results.* Real results. And marching has had too few effective results, for a very long time.

After 40+ years failing to effect any tangible change via marching, liberals need to grow up and wean off that dried out teat. We've got to find other means to get our message out there, and our goals accomplished, rather than wasting time on things that have so little of a return on investment.

[whathehell]

103. It MIGHT have..

if the Media didn't give it less attention than ANY other similarly sized march in US history..But don't let that stifle that misplaced anger, as I'm sure you're here to give us many BETTER ideas.

[Irish_Dem]

19. When Hillary ran for POTUS, the GOP, Russia and China lined up to cheat her out of a win.

This is how much the fascist male power structure was threatened by a female in the WH.

[llmart]

22. Add in the FBI.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Yes them too. The male power structure slammed her to the ground.

With every trick in the book.

[StevieM]

32. James Comey and the FBI dominated that race from start to finish. (eom)

[StevieM]

31. James Comey and the FBI were far more important than all other factors put together. (eom)

[Irish_Dem]

42. We don't know now much Putin was involved in the FBI set up of Hillary.

I think Russia, China, Iran, Saudi spent a boat load of money turning the election over to Trump.

[DENVERPOPS]

71. Putin had plans........

The LAST person he wanted in the U.S. Presidency was Hillary. She had his number big time and he definitely feared her.......

I think Putin channeled a Boatload of money thru his phony NRA bullshit, which was a shallow attempt to launder the money and the NRA directed it where they wanted it, not just to Trump but a bunch of U.S. Republican Senators and even governor races.

The Republicans in the Senate backed Putin's candidate: Trump. I also believe that they backed him because if Trump went down, they all went down for the inevitable discovery that they all took fortunes in Putin Money for all their election funds.

[Irish_Dem]

77. Russia and China have plans to change the world order.

The US and western democracies need to be greatly weakened and degraded
to make those plans work.

Yes Hillary has Putin's number. So does Biden.

[DENVERPOPS]

94. Not only Russia and China

that want to change the world order, don't forget the Saudi's definitely being involved..........

They all would love a new world order, where the U.S. wasn't number one, on top. Mitch's wife has parents that are Chinese Oligarchs.
HW began a powerful relationship with the Saudi's that has been in the shadows for Decades...............

[Irish_Dem]

95. Yes of course. China, Russia, Saudi, Iran, North Korea.

They are working to change the world order, greatly weakening western democracies.
And are making great headway. Americans barely putting up a fight.
The GOP is all in.

The fascist autocrats believe the world belongs to them.
And they are working to get it all.

[DENVERPOPS]

96. Americans barely putting up a fight????????

Hell, there are 70+ million brainwashed idiots aiding them.............

[Irish_Dem]

97. Yep. Half the US has joined the fascist new world order.

[DENVERPOPS]

98. And.....they don't F***ing even know

what the word means, much less how to spell it.........

[Irish_Dem]

99. But they love what fascism is.

Sticking it to women, POC, LGBT.
Control, torture, punishment of the groups they hate.
Sticking to doctors, teachers, librarians.

Feeling special and powerful.

[DENVERPOPS]

100. And, without exception

every last one of them suffers from: Teenie Weenie Peenie Complex..........And to overcome it, without medication, they all sport an Assault Weapon where ever they go in public..........

[Irish_Dem]

101. Exactly. American men see guns as their penises.

It is a compensation for what is lacking.

American men love to wave their dicks every day.

[soldierant]

50. I'd start with women.

I'm not saying they didn't hate Obama - everyone knows how fully they hated Obama, but they didn't manage to stop hi from getting elected - or reelected. Hillary, on the other hand...

[whathehell]

69. "Start with women"..Huh?

As usual, Women of ALL races voted for Obama in greater percentages than did Men of all races.

[soldierant]

80. Of course they did. that has nothing to do with my point.

The title of th post is

They are saying no African American can be their president

I am saying start with "They are saying no woman can be their president."

And then move to African Aerican., and any Latinx, and any LGBTQIA. (Not that that's the order I suspect. But we have proven we can get an African American elected. We have NOT proven we can get a woman elected. (IMO we have proven we cannot.)

[PJMcK]

2. It's gonna be a rude awakening

Trump and his goons are getting nailed by the very people they hate. It’s too precious!

[malaise]

4. THIS

Can't wait for the end

[2naSalit]

16. Just desserts.

[electric_blue68]

30. The irony Burns! 😄

[elleng]

3. NATURALLY

[roamer65]

6. I love saying this as often as I can.

President Obama.

[homegirl]

27. I WAS

going to post

TOO LATE!

[dembotoz]

8. remember going into holy week jesus was a wasp....or maybe catholic

depending which seminary your priest or minister went to

[leftieNanner]

14. Blonde as well

[Raven]

10. These people need to start their own country far away from the rest of us. They

are obviously not happy here and the future will not treat them well.

[Irish_Dem]

47. Yes they obviously no longer want to live in a democracy.

So go move somewhere else.

See how long they last in Iran, Russia or China.

[Marcuse]

48. They can have their divorce, but they leave with nothing.

[Irish_Dem]

56. The GOP wants to keep all the power, votes and assets.

And make the rest of us live in the streets.

[bdamomma]

83. Or their

slaves. They are taking away our rights each day. They are distracting and dividing us.

They hate Democracy.

[Irish_Dem]

85. Yes

And put us all in jail for driving across state lines and reading books.

[bdamomma]

81. Exactly

but there are those who have been pushing their Christian Nationalism on this country for a long time, good luck with that crap.

We need to be like Israel get in the streets, they are afraid when the people unite, we did for the last Presidential election.

[Irish_Dem]

82. Yes at some point we may have to march all over again.

For Civil Rights, Women's Rights, LGBT rights. Etc Etc.

[bdamomma]

84. Irish_Dem

Did you see this thread?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217782630

[Irish_Dem]

87. Thank you for giving me the link, bdamomma.

I just watched it. It is very accurate and makes good points.

I would add that I think the GOP has gone way past nationalism to fascism.
White male Christian minority rule with a fascist form of government.
And I think they have been funded by global autocracies and fascist governments.

It is going to be a long haul. A very long haul to bring back our democracy.

[milestogo]

12. But they're down with a criminal being their president

because they have the moral fiber of criminals themselves.

[onecaliberal]

13. But a rapist who sold Americas most closely held secrets, now that is okay.

[LiberalArkie]

33. He needs to run to Russia. It would solve a lot of problems and may put an end to his cult

[sanatanadharma]

15. They are admitting being NOT-Americans

They are admitting being NOT-Americans by rejecting linchpin principles of American inclusive-ity, no matter how bad it has been; they are willing to make all worse.

The USA is founded on ideas and willingness to be an American citizen with common values. The USA was not founded on blood and genetics.
Naturalized by choice citizens are more valuable to the Nation than are ignoramuses* born here.

*Curious word with roots suggesting the amusement of those ignorant of the 'muses'.

[The Magistrate]

18. That's It Exactly, Ma'am

The Presidency differs from all other elected offices. As head of state, the President embodies the nation. To the degree people identify themselves with the country, they expect, or feel they are expected, to see themselves in its President. Evidently a good many of my fellow white citizens are incapable of identifying themselves to any degree with a black man of extraordinary intelligence and social grace, and being asked by events to do so broke a good many of them. They cannot be loyal to a black man, they cannot be loyal to a nation which would elevate a black man to such a place. And yet identification with the nation is a central element of their self-image. The hardest core feel it their duty to put things right, to restore the nation to one they could be loyal to, the nation they remember, and which would never do such an awful thing as that.

[llmart]

24. "identification with the nation is a central element of their self-image."

And yet they are just as disloyal and hateful towards President Biden. So how do you explain that?

Let's face it. These magats are basically just a miserable lot who need to have someone to criticize all the time to make themselves feel important.

[electric_blue68]

41. I'd say bc President Biden embraces women, Black & POC, Immigrants, LGTBTQI as full people

Plus respectful of other religions, and aetheists

That's why they hate him.

[The Magistrate]

49. Party Identification

Not in the sense of 'anybody with an R after the name', but in the sense of what social elements the major parties are seen as aligned with. The separation of the parties into the white man's party and the party of all the others set in with Johnson v. Goldwater, and at least in the minds of many white people after President Obama the thing has solidified past recall. White supremacist thought has always held a particular venom for whites who assist blacks in any way but 'charity': to cite the term employed then would cause unnecessary offense, the current one is 'race traitor'. A white Democrat as President is practically a black, he loves blacks more then whites, obviously (or he wouldn't be a Democrat), since the Democrats are the party of blacks ascendant....

[malaise]

28. Obama signaled the end of white supremacy

While it is true that a significant number of Americans (but not the majority) share that view, this is the end of the centuries old Western world view. They are fighting to hold on to this.
That is what they are promoting and they have allies in several countries.

Truth is that they cannot win - they are truly outnumbered and all the myths about white superiority have been shattered. Given opportunity we all can thrive and we're not turning back now.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

37. The end of white supremacy, as witnessed by the World, not just America.

Tho not the end of white privilege,, that’s a longer lingering vestige of a long period of Colonialism.

[malaise]

44. Well said

[electric_blue68]

52. And that President Obama got Reelected. They could have sort have figured once as a fluke but...

Twice?!

THAT drove them crazy.
Then all that bottled up stuff was given "permission" by drumphf to let loose.

[The Magistrate]

54. I Agree, Ma'am

[JI7]

21. And yet people blame Gerald Ford

[Warpy]

25. Guess none of them has ever been in the military

otherwise, they'd be used to all of that.

I doubt today's military would accept them. Too dumb.

[DinahMoeHum]

34. The military can afford to be choosy.

For all intents and purposes, they don't need a draft anymore.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

39. Trillion dollars a year budget, ofc you are correct.

[zipplewrath]

57. Missing recruiting goals

Actually, the Army and Navy are having trouble meeting recruiting goals. Long article today about how the army is running a training class to get volunteers to be able to meet academic and/or physical minimums for enlistment. I've read that something like only 25% of young people qualify for enlistment due to physical or educational short comings.

[DinahMoeHum]

68. Got a link for this?

Methinks they'll still continue to rely on volunteers instead of a draft. Their attitude is: the worst volunteer is still better than the best conscript.

[Warpy]

65. Not unless some raging twit decides to invade

and there might need to be a draft before the logistics of a trans oceanic war defeat the twit and his country.

[TNNurse]

26. Some of them also say TFG is still president,

so they are clearly delusional as well as horrific bigots.

[thesquanderer]

35. Who is "they"? I must have missed something. n/t

[malaise]

38. The folks who called Obama a foreigner, Bragg an animal

and who continue with their attacks on Jews.
You know those who supported open carry and AR 15s at Obama rallies but no guns at the Slobfather's rallies - those people

[thesquanderer]

63. I'm still confused, but it looks like I'm the only one, so it must be me. So carry on... n/t

[Iggo]

51. I missed everything and I still know who they is.

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#notallwhatabouts

[live love laugh]

36. A JURY of citizens applied the law. It's beyond race.

[malaise]

40. They know that as well but their memes and rhetoric

say otherwise

[live love laugh]

43. Of course because juries aren't as "sexy" as racism.

[spike jones]

46. I just read the book "Rememberings" by Sinead O'Connor in which she worked with Dr. Phil

and he said “…he was recently at a meeting attended by Steve Bannon. And that the Trump people had actually discussed at that meeting the idea of MAGA being MAWA. Make America White Again. He acted all disgusted when telling me.”

[malaise]

58. That was and is what the Slobfather and his goons mean and meant from day one

Thanks for this

[IronLionZion]

64. Lots of "shithole countries" have elected women leaders

Indians can't even be US citizens. During every American recession, Indian-Americans become H1Bs. America is the most diverse it has ever been, so the next recession is going to see more discrimination lawsuits from H1B looking US citizens like me who have had enough of this BS.

[The Wizard]

70. Bigotry has been their

underlying message since Goldwater ran in 1964 under the guise of States Rights.

[malaise]

74. THIS

[spanone]

86. ...K&R...