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kentuck

(111,110 posts)
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 09:10 AM Apr 2023

The Rubicon has been crossed...

...and there is no going back.

Trump and his advisers were shocked to hear that he had been indicted. They have been in reaction mode ever since. They are angry and lashing out at everyone not on the Trump train.
They are vindictive and accusatory and defensive.

They believe the power of their propaganda and PR will outweigh all criminal charges. They will blame it all on Joe Biden and the Democrats and take no responsibility. They never declare their innocence, only their victimization.

Tuesday is coming quickly and Trump would have liked a few more days to organize a mob to defend him against the criminal charges, much like he did on January 6th, 2021.

By Tuesday evening, he will have been charged with several crimes and his world will never be the same.

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The Rubicon has been crossed... (Original Post) kentuck Apr 2023 OP
I do not believe nor trust anything coming from the lying mouths of................................. Lovie777 Apr 2023 #1
And never any... 2naSalit Apr 2023 #2
Might I suggest it is crossing the kairos12 Apr 2023 #3
Good one! kentuck Apr 2023 #4
Even better! kairos12 Apr 2023 #5
Would that make him the Rube-icon? n/t whopis01 Apr 2023 #37
Rudy-con? JanMichael Apr 2023 #8
Outstanding! kairos12 Apr 2023 #11
Exactly..." They never declare their innocence, only their victimization. " ashredux Apr 2023 #6
Hope other indictments drop soon. Bury the SOB and let the wheels grind him to a greasy paste. Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #7
I agree. kentuck Apr 2023 #9
My thoughts exactly...... MyOwnPeace Apr 2023 #10
those are the biglys. Not that 30 plus folders marked Top Secret are EMPTY isn't... Or the perfect Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #14
And add to that PatSeg Apr 2023 #26
I had forgotten about those, which could grow if he is indicted for 1/6. May it be so. Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #28
I was having a hard time keeping up PatSeg Apr 2023 #29
True. And to Drumpf, it is a way of life. His family feeds on law suits as Mary Trump had described. Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #33
Yes, to paraphrase PatSeg Apr 2023 #34
"Dishonest slob". I'm going back 30 years to Roseanne Barr, Bart (Homer) Simpson and George HW Evolve Dammit Apr 2023 #35
Yes and it is far worse than I could have imagined PatSeg Apr 2023 #36
Tuesday is all gets real Johnny2X2X Apr 2023 #12
Didn't the TFG get something like 37% of New York's 2020 vote? Model35mech Apr 2023 #13
If 20,000 pick up trucks are streaming into Manhattan Captain Zero Apr 2023 #15
Other than the super nuts, much of his base has moved on. paleotn Apr 2023 #19
In NYC it was 8% The Wizard Apr 2023 #20
Let'em come RevBrotherThomas Apr 2023 #38
Well said. And, we don't know how dangerous this will make him... Joinfortmill Apr 2023 #16
He is getting older and clearly is not healthy PatSeg Apr 2023 #27
Once a few indictments become a fact, the GOP and teevee pundits will back off I think. Ligyron Apr 2023 #17
the trump train schedule is annulled . track and time expired and didnt pay rent on loco. AllaN01Bear Apr 2023 #18
They should have perp walked him while making the annnouncement SouthernDem4ever Apr 2023 #21
"We're through the looking glass, here, people." dchill Apr 2023 #22
This one could fizzle, but it could give a nice contrast to the DOJ and GA cases. gulliver Apr 2023 #23
He could make this all go away simply by throwing himself into an active volcano Orrex Apr 2023 #24
Snort! Unwind Your Mind Apr 2023 #25
or shooting himself on Fifth Ave onethatcares Apr 2023 #30
This sentence is profound and very true: dmr Apr 2023 #31
White collar crime is crime, whether Fox News cares to admit it or not. Initech Apr 2023 #32

Lovie777

(12,326 posts)
1. I do not believe nor trust anything coming from the lying mouths of.................................
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 09:39 AM
Apr 2023

shithole and his comrades.

ashredux

(2,608 posts)
6. Exactly..." They never declare their innocence, only their victimization. "
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 09:55 AM
Apr 2023

They know Trump is guilty. So as the old attorney saying goes,…. With no facts, they just “…pound the table.“

kentuck

(111,110 posts)
9. I agree.
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 09:58 AM
Apr 2023

They need to put more on his plate. Give him more to think about. Overwhelm his bullshit. I would like to see Jack Smith charge him with seditious conspiracy and obstruction of justice.

MyOwnPeace

(16,937 posts)
10. My thoughts exactly......
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 10:03 AM
Apr 2023

just bury him in his own S**T - to the point that he won't even know which way to turn and his speeches will turn into bumbling babble!

Evolve Dammit

(16,763 posts)
14. those are the biglys. Not that 30 plus folders marked Top Secret are EMPTY isn't... Or the perfect
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 10:12 AM
Apr 2023

GA attempt to overturn the results. What an f'ing criminal. I wish Ms. Carroll well in her rape case too. He probably raped 100's so good for her persistence. May he be convicted in all of them.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
26. And add to that
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 12:14 PM
Apr 2023

Trump is being sued by injured Capitol police and Democratic lawmakers for inciting the insurrection on January 6th. It would be fitting if whenever he catches his breath, he is hit with another indictment. All roads in the man's life have been leading to this moment - when it rains, it pours.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
29. I was having a hard time keeping up
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 12:33 PM
Apr 2023

with all of them, so I'm sure there are others that we've forgotten about. You know, I have a feeling indictments might just propagate more investigations and indictments. Kind of a snowball effect. This is a very litigious country, Americans love suing people.

Evolve Dammit

(16,763 posts)
33. True. And to Drumpf, it is a way of life. His family feeds on law suits as Mary Trump had described.
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 02:15 PM
Apr 2023

And he loves chaos. Attack, delay, obfuscate, deflect, gaslight, and project. Always deny and attack. Roy Cohn and KKK Fred taught this one well.
History may show him to be one of the most fucked up powerful people of all time. Course there's lots of competition....unfortunately.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
34. Yes, to paraphrase
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 02:46 PM
Apr 2023

"Live by the lawsuit, die by the lawsuit", metaphorically speaking. The Trump family has used our legal system for decades to their benefit, it is only fitting that the same legal system will be the one to bring them down.

True, the world has seen many fucked up powerful people, but few are or were so in-your-face outrageous as Donald Trump. He never really pretended to be anything other than the dishonest slob that he is and apparently that appeals to some people. We live in world where everyone is exposed to the same movies and television, so where did the MAGA crowd see the heroes that reminded them of someone like Trump?

Evolve Dammit

(16,763 posts)
35. "Dishonest slob". I'm going back 30 years to Roseanne Barr, Bart (Homer) Simpson and George HW
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 03:36 PM
Apr 2023

Bush who used a rented hotel suite in Dallas to avoid taxes and bragged about it. It's hard to say when being dishonest became cool. I had friends that bragged about not paying taxes in the 70's and thought that was pretty disgusting. Probably been there since "the Gilded Age" and the Roaring '20s.
I'm sure there were lots of others, but those are the ones that hit my radar. (full disclosure I loved the Simpsons). The others not so much... I guess it just wasn't advertised or made to be a cool thing until around then. Of course, Drumpf learned it, lived it, and perfected it. Now millions live by it.
And millions of us don't, because we're not dishonest.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
36. Yes and it is far worse than I could have imagined
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 08:16 PM
Apr 2023

I've known people who were proud of cheating on their taxes, but even they cheered for the good guys in the white hats - Indiana Jones, Superman, Atticus Finch, George Bailey (who doesn't love George Bailey?), Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Robin Hood, Han Solo, Erin Brockovich, etc.

Who the hell are these creeps cheering for? Mr. Potter, Darth Vader, Gordon Gekko? When they watch World War II movies, do they root for the Nazis to win?

Johnny2X2X

(19,114 posts)
12. Tuesday is all gets real
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 10:09 AM
Apr 2023

The indictments are going to be devastating and I bet surprising. All the pundits and politicians guessing about the indictments are engaging in theater. The reality is we have no idea what they say and they’re going to be shocking.

For all the media knows there were 34 crimes each associated with 34 different women he paid off.

David Pecker provided concrete proof IMO.

Model35mech

(1,552 posts)
13. Didn't the TFG get something like 37% of New York's 2020 vote?
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 10:09 AM
Apr 2023

Seems like there are plenty of people in NY that could drive to Manhattan in hours.

If nobody shows up to try to put the arraignment on trial in the streets it'll be a tell for Trump support in '24

Captain Zero

(6,823 posts)
15. If 20,000 pick up trucks are streaming into Manhattan
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 10:15 AM
Apr 2023

On Tuesday morning they are idiots. One of them is getting hit by a taxi cab.

paleotn

(17,956 posts)
19. Other than the super nuts, much of his base has moved on.
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 11:14 AM
Apr 2023

They're in the DeSantis camp or just don't care all that much anymore. Add the distinct possibility of spending significant time in prison if things get out of hand, and I doubt there will be many if any wankers in Manhattan. Other than the usual wankers that is.

RevBrotherThomas

(838 posts)
38. Let'em come
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:12 AM
Apr 2023

They'll get the same that the Proud Boys got and more when they pulled their BS in our city a couple of weeks ago. We've known about trump in NY since the 70s... and we've never been impressed with that brand of BS.

Joinfortmill

(14,456 posts)
16. Well said. And, we don't know how dangerous this will make him...
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 10:41 AM
Apr 2023

He could come out charging or whimpering like the coward he really is.

PatSeg

(47,586 posts)
27. He is getting older and clearly is not healthy
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 12:19 PM
Apr 2023

I think his "charging" days are waning, but I'm sure he has a whole lot of whimpering and whining left.

Ligyron

(7,639 posts)
17. Once a few indictments become a fact, the GOP and teevee pundits will back off I think.
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 11:05 AM
Apr 2023

The PTB in the Repug party and more importantly the Murdochs want him gone. We'll be lucky if he is somehow their candidate in '24.

I say lucky because I think he'll be beaten even worse than last time. People like deSatan are more worrisome I believe.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
21. They should have perp walked him while making the annnouncement
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 11:24 AM
Apr 2023

That would have avoided anything that might happen on Tues.

gulliver

(13,193 posts)
23. This one could fizzle, but it could give a nice contrast to the DOJ and GA cases.
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 11:49 AM
Apr 2023

I can't wait to see what's in the indictment. I hope it has some shutter-uppers for Trump and his fellow performance artists in the Republican Party.

dmr

(28,349 posts)
31. This sentence is profound and very true:
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 12:51 PM
Apr 2023

"They never declare their innocence, only their victimization."

Initech

(100,102 posts)
32. White collar crime is crime, whether Fox News cares to admit it or not.
Sun Apr 2, 2023, 01:12 PM
Apr 2023

And hey, don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time, right?

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