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Coventina

(29,701 posts)
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:25 PM Apr 2023

Well, that was scary. An intruder burst into my classroom 30 minutes ago. Everyone is OK.

Although my students have asked me to lock the classroom door during class from now on.

Two non-students came into the class, live-streaming to disrupt the class, as a prank, apparently. One held a camera while the other argued with me about whether he was allowed to be in the classroom as a non-student. He saw that I was going to call Campus Police so he left.

Not funny. Found out after the fact that they did this to several classes before Campus Police caught up with them and escorted them off the property.

Too much Jackass?

Anyway, not funny.

My students were very shaken.

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Well, that was scary. An intruder burst into my classroom 30 minutes ago. Everyone is OK. (Original Post) Coventina Apr 2023 OP
As a fellow educator, I'm appalled. Your poor kids! GPV Apr 2023 #1
Damn it! Lunabell Apr 2023 #2
Probably a citation for tresspassing will be it. Coventina Apr 2023 #4
No criminal charges ? MichMan Apr 2023 #6
I doubt it, but I will follow up to see. Coventina Apr 2023 #7
What if they scared the wrong person? mahina Apr 2023 #10
Good point! N/T Coventina Apr 2023 #13
Or somebody with a weak heart or other medical condition. Imagine that niyad Apr 2023 #31
They should face the same consequences as wnylib Apr 2023 #64
That must have been very scary underpants Apr 2023 #3
You have every right . . . gratuitous Apr 2023 #5
Worse than trespass IbogaProject Apr 2023 #27
Isn't this trespassing? Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #8
The property owner has to "trespass" them first. If they return, then it becomes a crime. Lochloosa Apr 2023 #9
Typically its only trespassing if they refuse to leave DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 2023 #12
So anyone can burst into a classroom, scare the heck out of everyone Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #14
No harm done to Billionaires or their money "rights" MarcA Apr 2023 #49
Yep. Terrifying and murdering school children is an American value now. :( Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #51
There are criminal statutes against... reACTIONary Apr 2023 #67
That's what I thought. Irish_Dem Apr 2023 #68
I thought most schools make it clear with signage that visitors have to go through the office first. catrose Apr 2023 #43
Signs are meaningless legally. former9thward Apr 2023 #60
I could be wrong... róisín_dubh Apr 2023 #61
Idiots. Great way to take a dirt nap too. JanMichael Apr 2023 #11
What grade do you teach and how old were the assholes/pranksters? BigmanPigman Apr 2023 #15
College. The "pranksters" seemed to be college age. Coventina Apr 2023 #17
Looking for something to post to YouTube, I expect. Not in the least bit funny. LoisB Apr 2023 #16
College police said they were live-streaming it. Coventina Apr 2023 #18
Sounds like one of those stupid, dangerous tik tok "challenges". niyad Apr 2023 #24
I really hope not, or more such incidents will happen. Coventina Apr 2023 #42
With some teachers now packin' heat, that could be a hazardous prank. paleotn Apr 2023 #19
But just imagine how many clicks they will get!!!!!! Coventina Apr 2023 #21
Exactly what I was thinking. niyad Apr 2023 #22
Yes, they were lucky. hadEnuf Apr 2023 #52
How utterly frightening! I am glad that everyone is okay. My heart is racing just niyad Apr 2023 #20
I have a feeling they will! Coventina Apr 2023 #23
Is there anything that we can do for you? a drink? a massage? niyad Apr 2023 #26
Hee! A massage by a burly masseuse might be just the ticket!! Coventina Apr 2023 #30
I will see if Thor is available. niyad Apr 2023 #32
He'll do nicely!! Coventina Apr 2023 #34
A hard kick to the balls was in order NickB79 Apr 2023 #25
Thanks for making me laugh! Coventina Apr 2023 #28
It's was always the principal's #1 job to keep everyone on the premises safe. Now, s/he will ancianita Apr 2023 #29
Well, fortunately for our college President Coventina Apr 2023 #33
When you said 'Campus Police,' I didn't assume a college. That's entirely different. Even so, ancianita Apr 2023 #35
Apologies! I did not mean to mislead. Yes, we've had several such discussions. Coventina Apr 2023 #41
Understood. Thanks. And I'm glad you're all okay. For now. ancianita Apr 2023 #44
Drills are difficult to schedule on college campuses because of the halfulglas Apr 2023 #69
Thank you for putting "Everyone is ok" in the title! Hermit-The-Prog Apr 2023 #36
Yes, I wanted everyone to know nothing tragic happened. I feel lucky, actually. Coventina Apr 2023 #37
Just awful. FM123 Apr 2023 #38
lad you're all OK malaise Apr 2023 #39
Glad you're all OK. Stupid jackasses Maeve Apr 2023 #40
Callous. Big time community service required here Joinfortmill Apr 2023 #45
Gym Jordan and Matt Gaetz WANNA-BE's.. nt TeamProg Apr 2023 #46
Where ??? TeamProg Apr 2023 #47
Phoenix AZ n/t Coventina Apr 2023 #48
when my late mom taught , she always lock her door during school hours . AllaN01Bear Apr 2023 #50
Locking your door seems prudent Warpy Apr 2023 #53
Sounds like a good idea to me, too. ShazzieB Apr 2023 #54
What a really stupid thing to do especially when everyone is on edge regarding intruders. Fla Dem Apr 2023 #55
Schools are being swatted all over the country. The Jungle 1 Apr 2023 #56
These aholes would be ok with it done to their family homes? keithbvadu2 Apr 2023 #57
There's a particular trend now on social media to stream yourself being as obnoxious as possible. Oneironaut Apr 2023 #58
Wow. Coventina,. What an terrible way to prank someone. I hope you and your students are okay. debm55 Apr 2023 #59
Wow scary stuff Meowmee Apr 2023 #62
Probably a "First Amendment Frauditor" GoneOffShore Apr 2023 #63
They weren't even charged with anything? BlackSkimmer Apr 2023 #65
Shooting with a camera is better than guns IronLionZion Apr 2023 #66
These TikTok pranksters really need to get their asses kicked. SYFROYH Apr 2023 #70
Locked door when class begins is SOP at my Wife's elementary school. Ligyron Apr 2023 #71
Lucky for them you weren't a "good guy with a gun"... regnaD kciN Apr 2023 #72
If they persist in this behavior, they will find one sooner or later. Coventina Apr 2023 #73
Students Need Guns NowISeetheLight Apr 2023 #74
 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
2. Damn it!
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:28 PM
Apr 2023

Those kids were probably terrified. I hope those "pranksters" get the full comeuppance of the law!

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
4. Probably a citation for tresspassing will be it.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:30 PM
Apr 2023

They won't be allowed on campus again, which means nothing, really, since we're open access.

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
7. I doubt it, but I will follow up to see.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:39 PM
Apr 2023

I don't know if anything they did was technically a crime.

mahina

(20,637 posts)
10. What if they scared the wrong person?
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:45 PM
Apr 2023

They could have sufficiently terrified someone who was armed and lacked self control.

Fools!

They knew exactly what buttons this pushed. Who would have done this pre-mass shootings? No one.

niyad

(132,258 posts)
31. Or somebody with a weak heart or other medical condition. Imagine that
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:05 PM
Apr 2023

happening to someone with PTSD.

wnylib

(25,915 posts)
64. They should face the same consequences as
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:30 AM
Apr 2023

people who make terrorist threats, like falsely claiming that there is a bomb in a school, retail store, etc.

This is not a prank. It is a deliberate form of terrorism. In NY and PA recently, there has been a series of bomb threats to public schools, causing lockdowns and psychological trauma to students.

I believe that these deliberately traumatizing actions are well planned and coordinated by people who want to terrorize the public. Likely suspects are MAGA gun supporters.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. You have every right . . .
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:37 PM
Apr 2023

You have every right to demand from school authorities and the local cops what they're doing to discourage this, and hold these idiots responsible. It's not a prank, it's not a joke. This is the reality of living in an society that doesn't do shit about reducing violence. Escorting them off the campus isn't good enough, not by half. If they're minors, their parents need to be involved in any resolution of this intolerable situation.

IbogaProject

(5,879 posts)
27. Worse than trespass
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:04 PM
Apr 2023

They actively disrupted an educational session. And if your students are kids that is straight child abuse. Those perps need to be on probation for awhile.

Lochloosa

(16,730 posts)
9. The property owner has to "trespass" them first. If they return, then it becomes a crime.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:43 PM
Apr 2023

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,502 posts)
12. Typically its only trespassing if they refuse to leave
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:46 PM
Apr 2023

They need to be warned first and then refuse in order for it to be trespassing.

Irish_Dem

(81,143 posts)
14. So anyone can burst into a classroom, scare the heck out of everyone
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:51 PM
Apr 2023

and it's not against the law.

Everyday the US criminal justice system looks more and more ridiculous.

Irish_Dem

(81,143 posts)
51. Yep. Terrifying and murdering school children is an American value now. :(
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 07:22 PM
Apr 2023

But for god's sake don't let the rich and powerful ever be upset for any reason.

reACTIONary

(7,158 posts)
67. There are criminal statutes against...
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 10:51 AM
Apr 2023

...malicious mischief and creating a public disorder.

catrose

(5,364 posts)
43. I thought most schools make it clear with signage that visitors have to go through the office first.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:41 PM
Apr 2023

They couldn't have had permission to do what they did.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
60. Signs are meaningless legally.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:15 PM
Apr 2023

A person has to be verbally told by someone who is clearly in authority. A person can say they didn't see the sign, or read it, or understand it.

róisín_dubh

(12,324 posts)
61. I could be wrong...
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:18 AM
Apr 2023

But I think Coventina teaches at a university. I’ve never worked at a university that has such rules.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
11. Idiots. Great way to take a dirt nap too.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:45 PM
Apr 2023

Imagine if an officer had just randomly walked in and acted? Taken down hard on the light side and perforated on the gun pulled side.

They need a a scared straight moment. Although they may be too stupid for that to work seeing that they were trying to get a rise out of barging into a class uninvited. The WORST joke ever.

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
17. College. The "pranksters" seemed to be college age.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:56 PM
Apr 2023

But, it's difficult to know for sure. They could have been as old as late-20s. I don't think they were younger than 19 based on their looks.

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
18. College police said they were live-streaming it.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:57 PM
Apr 2023

I suppose a confused, then alarmed looking Coventina is on the internets, somewhere....

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
42. I really hope not, or more such incidents will happen.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:29 PM
Apr 2023

Please go back to the ice bucket challenge!!

paleotn

(22,182 posts)
19. With some teachers now packin' heat, that could be a hazardous prank.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 05:58 PM
Apr 2023

Someone is going to end up shot.

hadEnuf

(3,607 posts)
52. Yes, they were lucky.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 07:29 PM
Apr 2023

People are getting sick of this school-as-violence-centers shit real quick.

niyad

(132,258 posts)
20. How utterly frightening! I am glad that everyone is okay. My heart is racing just
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:00 PM
Apr 2023

reading about it.

May they receive everything they deserve.

ancianita

(43,303 posts)
29. It's was always the principal's #1 job to keep everyone on the premises safe. Now, s/he will
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:04 PM
Apr 2023

have to write a letter of apology to these parents -- who might lawyer up to call for his/her suspension by the district board, and/or write it to stave off a lawsuit -- and assure them s/he will step up security at all entrances to the school.

Now, internally, s/he will furthermore have to have visitors always escorted to the Main Office to obtain a visitor's pass, then escorted to where the visitors say they want to go. Not all visitation is allowed at any time, however; most visits to classrooms aren't, and others have to be by prior appointment.

Then the principal will have to do what s/he said by the next morning before anyone enters the building.

Otherwise, s/he can be named sued for negligence.

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
33. Well, fortunately for our college President
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:09 PM
Apr 2023

as an open-access institution, none of those requirements apply.

We do have a lot of high-school students on our campus, taking concurrent classes, so it is feasible some parents of minor children might hear about it.

I'm pretty sure all the students in that particular class are adults, though.

However, they disrupted several other classrooms, so who knows?

ancianita

(43,303 posts)
35. When you said 'Campus Police,' I didn't assume a college. That's entirely different. Even so,
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:13 PM
Apr 2023

there must be an administrative meeting with campus police to investigate its policies and procedures.

Pranks or no, when even college students and staff are scared, there has to be a hardening of safety systems, or the school can lose students, money, and public reputation as a safe learning place. Administrators on most campuses are still held to some extent, under "en loco parentis" levels of liability.

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
41. Apologies! I did not mean to mislead. Yes, we've had several such discussions.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:28 PM
Apr 2023


We've recently had a spate of "incidences" that were scary, but not violent (yet) on campus.
It has definitely shown some weak spots in our emergency procedures.

As a result, we had our first-ever lock-down drill in January, and we're scheduled to have a fire drill before the end of the semester.
We've never done any of those things before.

I'm not sure how "hard" we can make our campus, as we're a community college, and we encourage non-students to come to campus to use our facilities: library, gym, career center, etc.
We are also an early-voting location, and host a lot of community events like farmers' markets, various performing arts events, free workshops, etc. etc.

It's tough for an institution like ours, that wants to serve all members of the community, yet somehow keep the dangerous elements out.

halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
69. Drills are difficult to schedule on college campuses because of the
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 11:37 AM
Apr 2023

Requirements of fitting in the time for credits in limited time. So selfish of those idiots looking to create "content" for their social media presence.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
36. Thank you for putting "Everyone is ok" in the title!
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:16 PM
Apr 2023

Those 'pranksters' knew exactly what they were doing. It should cost them something. Public scorn, at least.

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
37. Yes, I wanted everyone to know nothing tragic happened. I feel lucky, actually.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:19 PM
Apr 2023

I mean, so many other educators never survived their intruders.

FM123

(10,372 posts)
38. Just awful.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 06:21 PM
Apr 2023

One person's prank is another person's terror. I'm so sorry this happened to you and your students.

AllaN01Bear

(29,425 posts)
50. when my late mom taught , she always lock her door during school hours .
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 07:21 PM
Apr 2023

and shed lock the door when she had to do stuff at school after hours . shed bring me , the dog( 100 pound huskey) for backup.

Warpy

(114,593 posts)
53. Locking your door seems prudent
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 07:43 PM
Apr 2023

especially if it will make your class feel a bit safer.

I would imagine there's video of them in the halls, so maybe they'll be identified sooner rather than later.

I'm just glad it wasn't any worse, although this was certainly bad enough for the kids.

Fla Dem

(27,618 posts)
55. What a really stupid thing to do especially when everyone is on edge regarding intruders.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 08:16 PM
Apr 2023
 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
56. Schools are being swatted all over the country.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 09:09 PM
Apr 2023

I am wondering if it is an organized protest?

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
57. These aholes would be ok with it done to their family homes?
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:39 PM
Apr 2023

These aholes would be ok with it done to their family homes?

Oneironaut

(6,289 posts)
58. There's a particular trend now on social media to stream yourself being as obnoxious as possible.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 10:56 PM
Apr 2023

The point is to get a reaction that results in going viral.

debm55

(60,416 posts)
59. Wow. Coventina,. What an terrible way to prank someone. I hope you and your students are okay.
Mon Apr 3, 2023, 11:02 PM
Apr 2023

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
62. Wow scary stuff
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:24 AM
Apr 2023

I am glad you are all ok. I once had to call security on a student who went nuts in the class. The student ran away before they showed up and then was deregistered out of the class permanently.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
65. They weren't even charged with anything?
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 08:35 AM
Apr 2023

That's kind of frightening in this day and age. They should have been trespassed at least.

IronLionZion

(51,209 posts)
66. Shooting with a camera is better than guns
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:31 AM
Apr 2023

but still this is wrong and should have some criminal charges, with video evidence

SYFROYH

(34,214 posts)
70. These TikTok pranksters really need to get their asses kicked.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:14 PM
Apr 2023

It might be TikTok, but it's popular there.

Ligyron

(8,006 posts)
71. Locked door when class begins is SOP at my Wife's elementary school.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:22 PM
Apr 2023

After that they have to knock on heavy door and appear in little window for id

Never had to do this when I was in elementary school.

Better safe than sorry but still Sad.

Coventina

(29,701 posts)
73. If they persist in this behavior, they will find one sooner or later.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:06 PM
Apr 2023

A lot of people are packing heat here in the "wild west."

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
74. Students Need Guns
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:09 PM
Apr 2023

The NRA is right. Obviously we need students to be allowed to carry guns to protect themselves while in class. I’m sure none would’ve actually used one in this case.

This sort of thing is exactly why we need more gun control. In this day and age I can totally see some traumatized student doing something out of fear.

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