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(980 posts)Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)Thank you, DA Bragg!
catrose
(5,073 posts)[link:
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(5,851 posts)Walleye
(31,045 posts)mobeau69
(11,156 posts)TexasTowelie
(112,410 posts)34 felony counts = big ass bong hit
Beetwasher.
(2,981 posts)MissB
(15,812 posts)Except maybe one day, when hes no longer with us.
electric_blue68
(14,933 posts)Hopefully with More to come!!!!!
Very happy NYC'r!
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)wryter2000
(46,081 posts)Did he go in early?
I wanted to hear people chanting "Lock him up."
mobeau69
(11,156 posts)wryter2000
(46,081 posts)UTUSN
(70,733 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)He's going to be released to hold a rally in Florida tonight, so he's not being treated like any of us would if we were arrested.
onenote
(42,759 posts)Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)Have seen this, too.
Orrex
(63,223 posts)onenote
(42,759 posts)Orrex
(63,223 posts)Minor drug offenders in my town are often held in jail pending trial because its feared that they will flee to Detroit.
Trump would absolutely go to Florida, where DeSantis has already announced his intent to obstruct justice on Trumps behalf.
Why do these factors have no bearing on the decision?
onenote
(42,759 posts)Trump cooperated by coming in voluntarily.
Orrex
(63,223 posts)Are there never mitigating circumstances? Was every single one of your white-collar clients released in advance of trial? Has there ever been a case of such a defendant held pending trial?
If so, what was different in those cases?
onenote
(42,759 posts)One of the most notable involved executives charged with millions of dollars in bank and securities fraud. They were arrested, appeared in court and were immediately released on bail. The actual indictment and arraignment didn't occur for several additional months and the accused again appeared in court, entered their plea and then were released. These folks stayed free during the trial, which wasn't completed for two years after they were arraigned and continued to stay free for three years pending appeals even after being sentenced to as much as 20 years in prison.
Another example, but not one I had any involvement with: Enfron. Jeffrey Skilling was arrested and pled not guilty in 2004. He was released on bail. It was nearly two years until his trial started and he finally reported to jail in December 2006, after having been found guilty in May and sentenced in October. Unlike the case I was involved in, Skilling was not allowed to stay out of jail pending his appeal, but he was not jailed for a single day during the nearly three years after his arrest.
Orrex
(63,223 posts)One can see, though, how this sort of thing gives strength to the notion that we have a multi-tiered system of law.
White-collar crimes can potentially do much greater and much more far-reaching damage than "ordinary" crime, yet the former is treated with gentle deference, while the latter will land you on the asphalt with a knee between the shoulderblades.
Again, thanks for the info.
soldierant
(6,921 posts)because both are possible, but mitigating are favorable to the defendant whereas aggravating are unfavorable.
Aggravating circumstances might, for instance, include being a flight risk (but they might just require him to turn in his passport) or being a danger to self or others (which in his case might be addressed by a gag order.)
His behavior in the courtroom might influence the judge's decision, but his lawyers know that and, if they could padlock his mouth (as was done to Papageno in "Die Zauberflöte" , they probably would, and are certainly doing everything else they can to make sure his mouth stays zipped.
Orrex
(63,223 posts)I was using the term colloquially, rather than in official court-speak, but your clarification is helpful.
In that sense, I guess that aggravating circumstances is probably the right term, but then again all of Trump's circumstances are aggravating.
Heigh-o!
Paper Roses
(7,475 posts)This was several years ago but I remember well when a woman in Texas was arrested for stealing baby food from a grocery store. She had no money and a baby who had no food.. I don't know what happened to her but when you compare issues, there is no comparison.
Jail him now!
yellowdogintexas
(22,270 posts)then she would be put in jail.
Unless the store declined to press charges and the case was dismissed.
I will have to ask my JP about this but I know he has talked about this. I do know he hates it.
Elessar Zappa
(14,047 posts)for this type of crime. Plenty of people are arraigned and then released.
NH Ethylene
(30,817 posts)Baby steps, but this is a big one.
Orrex
(63,223 posts)But youre right; I dont expect it.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Man, this place sometimes.
CaptainTruth
(6,601 posts)It would be useful in a lot of situations.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)He has his own plane...and allies in non-extradition countries. And lit's likely everything is already held by companies, so he has nothing to lose.
Marius25
(3,213 posts)Let's be honest though. I really wouldn't care if he fled to Russia - he will be miserable. It's not a good country to live under any circumstances.
And it means he can never visit any other western country as long as he lives.
RevBrotherThomas
(838 posts)His ego won't let that happen.
louis-t
(23,297 posts)I believe prosecutors have asked for a protection order, but if he starts threatening people tonight he could get remanded and spend a night in jail. You know his attorneys have warned him, but they also know he doesn't listen.
EnergizedLib
(1,898 posts)Now, next arrest him for Georgia/January 6, mugshot, then lock him up.
SuperCoder
(300 posts)Took a little while. But we're finally here.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)MLAA
(17,327 posts)mobeau69
(11,156 posts)republianmushroom
(13,677 posts)usaf-vet
(6,207 posts)dalton99a
(81,570 posts)evolves
(5,403 posts)calimary
(81,458 posts)The brief glimpses of him weve seen in the coverage - his facial expressions are REALLY gloomy-looking.
mobeau69
(11,156 posts)Orrex
(63,223 posts)NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)cstanleytech
(26,319 posts)rbe really under arrest IMO.
Artcatt
(344 posts)Ponietz
(3,004 posts)WheelWalker
(8,956 posts)Alice Kramden
(2,168 posts)lefthandedskyhook
(965 posts)has now plead "not guilty"
RainCaster
(10,914 posts)Too much hoopla over nothing.
Really, I want to see that sumbitch behind bars.
RevBrotherThomas
(838 posts)He will be dead long before he sees the inside of jail cell.
I hope I am wrong, but this might be as good as it gets.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)might seem like a very negative take it literally means that he is likely to keel over dead any minute.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,435 posts)Now lock his treasonous ass up.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)dchill
(38,532 posts)ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)GoodRaisin
(8,928 posts)Blue Owl
(50,494 posts)Marcuse
(7,506 posts)YoshidaYui
(41,861 posts)would be nice.