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Trump is officially under arrest. 👍 (Original Post) mobeau69 Apr 2023 OP
Hooray RocRizzo55 Apr 2023 #1
Zing go the Strings of my Heart!!!!!! Scottie Mom Apr 2023 #2
Sing it, Judy! catrose Apr 2023 #57
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Novara Apr 2023 #3
I'm doing a little arrestmas hit of cannabis right now 🎊 Walleye Apr 2023 #4
That's the way to do it! mobeau69 Apr 2023 #11
Why go small? TexasTowelie Apr 2023 #60
I'll Drink To That! Beetwasher. Apr 2023 #5
Best words ever MissB Apr 2023 #6
Baaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaa! 😄 Stick it, "Not-So-Teflon-Don-Anymore"... electric_blue68 Apr 2023 #7
The Law, she has taken up arms! Alexander Of Assyria Apr 2023 #20
I thought he was showing up at 2:15 wryter2000 Apr 2023 #8
Arrest and Booking comes before the arraignment. mobeau69 Apr 2023 #14
Thanks wryter2000 Apr 2023 #19
I feel safer now. UTUSN Apr 2023 #9
Sadly not in any real meaningful way Marius25 Apr 2023 #10
I've represented people who were arraigned, released and went about their business that night. onenote Apr 2023 #13
Same, same. Scottie Mom Apr 2023 #17
Did they have a kkkult of assholes willing to commit murder on their behalf? Orrex Apr 2023 #44
No idea. But they were charged with white collar crimes, just like Trump. onenote Apr 2023 #46
I guess what I mean is, are there never mitigating circumstances? Orrex Apr 2023 #49
DeSantis said he wouldn't cooperate in extradition. No extradition was needed. onenote Apr 2023 #50
Forgive me, but that doesn't really answer the questiom Orrex Apr 2023 #52
There weren't in the cases I know about. onenote Apr 2023 #59
Thank you for the information Orrex Apr 2023 #61
Do you mean mitigating circumstances, or aggravating circumstances? soldierant Apr 2023 #65
Hey, good point Orrex Apr 2023 #68
A bit of history, as we watch what is going on: Paper Roses Apr 2023 #15
I think she would have had to post bail and if she couldn't yellowdogintexas Apr 2023 #22
He's receiving the same treatment anybody would Elessar Zappa Apr 2023 #16
I don't think anyone expects him to be thrown into a cell. NH Ethylene Apr 2023 #23
I'd like him strapped into a canoe and thrown in the ocean Orrex Apr 2023 #51
Yes, it is meaningful -- he is under arrest obamanut2012 Apr 2023 #18
We need a "moving the goalposts" smilie. CaptainTruth Apr 2023 #36
How is he not a literal flight risk? He's proven repeatedly that he cannot be trusted. NullTuples Apr 2023 #30
He is, but they almost never do remand for a white collar case Marius25 Apr 2023 #33
He will lose the 2024 GQP primary. RevBrotherThomas Apr 2023 #53
They will be watching what he says. louis-t Apr 2023 #47
Beautiful EnergizedLib Apr 2023 #12
The absolute best headline ever SuperCoder Apr 2023 #21
Don the Con, common criminal, under arrest! Woot! Shanti Shanti Shanti Apr 2023 #24
Can't wait to hear the details on the charges! MLAA Apr 2023 #25
Yeah, that's what I'm waiting on. Hope there's a bombshell or two. mobeau69 Apr 2023 #26
Or 34! MLAA Apr 2023 #27
✔️ mobeau69 Apr 2023 #28
26 months and counting republianmushroom Apr 2023 #29
I want to see the real mug shots. usaf-vet Apr 2023 #31
Yep. dalton99a Apr 2023 #32
IT'S ABOUT EFFING TIME evolves Apr 2023 #34
He does NOT look happy. calimary Apr 2023 #35
He looks tired. Probably didn't sleep last night. mobeau69 Apr 2023 #37
He'd feel better after 10 or 15 pounds of ivermectin. Orrex Apr 2023 #55
From The NY Times: NYC Liberal Apr 2023 #39
.... hadEnuf Apr 2023 #38
Unless he is in jail and stays there (which he should as he has the resources to flee) he will not cstanleytech Apr 2023 #40
"Take the hand away." Artcatt Apr 2023 #41
Campaign on that you GOP cretins Ponietz Apr 2023 #42
I'm afraid he's gonna to be going through some things. WheelWalker Apr 2023 #43
Ha! n/t Alice Kramden Apr 2023 #62
A very guilty defendant lefthandedskyhook Apr 2023 #45
BFD-call me when he's in prison RainCaster Apr 2023 #48
Don't hold your breath. RevBrotherThomas Apr 2023 #54
I don't know if you realize it but while your comment grantcart Apr 2023 #69
Big cheering section here FoxNewsSucks Apr 2023 #56
Does this mean he can no longer kill someone on 5th Ave and get away with it? SouthernDem4ever Apr 2023 #58
What was his bail? Autumn Apr 2023 #63
That's what I want to know, too! dchill Apr 2023 #72
Am I dreaming???? ailsagirl Apr 2023 #64
It's good. GoodRaisin Apr 2023 #66
Suck it Donny you hulking piece of shit Blue Owl Apr 2023 #67
It's a beginning. Marcuse Apr 2023 #70
orange jump suit and handcuffs YoshidaYui Apr 2023 #71

electric_blue68

(14,933 posts)
7. Baaaahahahahaaaaaaaaaa! 😄 Stick it, "Not-So-Teflon-Don-Anymore"...
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:37 PM
Apr 2023

Hopefully with More to come!!!!!


Very happy NYC'r!

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
10. Sadly not in any real meaningful way
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:38 PM
Apr 2023

He's going to be released to hold a rally in Florida tonight, so he's not being treated like any of us would if we were arrested.

Orrex

(63,223 posts)
49. I guess what I mean is, are there never mitigating circumstances?
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:57 PM
Apr 2023

Minor drug offenders in my town are often held in jail pending trial because it’s feared that they will flee to Detroit.

Trump would absolutely go to Florida, where DeSantis has already announced his intent to obstruct justice on Trump’s behalf.

Why do these factors have no bearing on the decision?

onenote

(42,759 posts)
50. DeSantis said he wouldn't cooperate in extradition. No extradition was needed.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:58 PM
Apr 2023

Trump cooperated by coming in voluntarily.

Orrex

(63,223 posts)
52. Forgive me, but that doesn't really answer the questiom
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:03 PM
Apr 2023

Are there never mitigating circumstances? Was every single one of your white-collar clients released in advance of trial? Has there ever been a case of such a defendant held pending trial?

If so, what was different in those cases?

onenote

(42,759 posts)
59. There weren't in the cases I know about.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:34 PM
Apr 2023

One of the most notable involved executives charged with millions of dollars in bank and securities fraud. They were arrested, appeared in court and were immediately released on bail. The actual indictment and arraignment didn't occur for several additional months and the accused again appeared in court, entered their plea and then were released. These folks stayed free during the trial, which wasn't completed for two years after they were arraigned and continued to stay free for three years pending appeals even after being sentenced to as much as 20 years in prison.

Another example, but not one I had any involvement with: Enfron. Jeffrey Skilling was arrested and pled not guilty in 2004. He was released on bail. It was nearly two years until his trial started and he finally reported to jail in December 2006, after having been found guilty in May and sentenced in October. Unlike the case I was involved in, Skilling was not allowed to stay out of jail pending his appeal, but he was not jailed for a single day during the nearly three years after his arrest.

Orrex

(63,223 posts)
61. Thank you for the information
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 05:21 PM
Apr 2023


One can see, though, how this sort of thing gives strength to the notion that we have a multi-tiered system of law.

White-collar crimes can potentially do much greater and much more far-reaching damage than "ordinary" crime, yet the former is treated with gentle deference, while the latter will land you on the asphalt with a knee between the shoulderblades.


Again, thanks for the info.

soldierant

(6,921 posts)
65. Do you mean mitigating circumstances, or aggravating circumstances?
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 06:36 PM
Apr 2023

because both are possible, but mitigating are favorable to the defendant whereas aggravating are unfavorable.

Aggravating circumstances might, for instance, include being a flight risk (but they might just require him to turn in his passport) or being a danger to self or others (which in his case might be addressed by a gag order.)

His behavior in the courtroom might influence the judge's decision, but his lawyers know that and, if they could padlock his mouth (as was done to Papageno in "Die Zauberflöte&quot , they probably would, and are certainly doing everything else they can to make sure his mouth stays zipped.

Orrex

(63,223 posts)
68. Hey, good point
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 09:31 PM
Apr 2023

I was using the term colloquially, rather than in official court-speak, but your clarification is helpful.

In that sense, I guess that aggravating circumstances is probably the right term, but then again all of Trump's circumstances are aggravating.


Heigh-o!

Paper Roses

(7,475 posts)
15. A bit of history, as we watch what is going on:
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:45 PM
Apr 2023

This was several years ago but I remember well when a woman in Texas was arrested for stealing baby food from a grocery store. She had no money and a baby who had no food.. I don't know what happened to her but when you compare issues, there is no comparison.
Jail him now!

yellowdogintexas

(22,270 posts)
22. I think she would have had to post bail and if she couldn't
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:11 PM
Apr 2023

then she would be put in jail.

Unless the store declined to press charges and the case was dismissed.

I will have to ask my JP about this but I know he has talked about this. I do know he hates it.

Elessar Zappa

(14,047 posts)
16. He's receiving the same treatment anybody would
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 01:49 PM
Apr 2023

for this type of crime. Plenty of people are arraigned and then released.

Orrex

(63,223 posts)
51. I'd like him strapped into a canoe and thrown in the ocean
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:01 PM
Apr 2023

But you’re right; I don’t expect it.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
30. How is he not a literal flight risk? He's proven repeatedly that he cannot be trusted.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:32 PM
Apr 2023

He has his own plane...and allies in non-extradition countries. And lit's likely everything is already held by companies, so he has nothing to lose.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
33. He is, but they almost never do remand for a white collar case
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:36 PM
Apr 2023

Let's be honest though. I really wouldn't care if he fled to Russia - he will be miserable. It's not a good country to live under any circumstances.

And it means he can never visit any other western country as long as he lives.

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
47. They will be watching what he says.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:49 PM
Apr 2023

I believe prosecutors have asked for a protection order, but if he starts threatening people tonight he could get remanded and spend a night in jail. You know his attorneys have warned him, but they also know he doesn't listen.

calimary

(81,458 posts)
35. He does NOT look happy.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:38 PM
Apr 2023

The brief glimpses of him we’ve seen in the coverage - his facial expressions are REALLY gloomy-looking.

cstanleytech

(26,319 posts)
40. Unless he is in jail and stays there (which he should as he has the resources to flee) he will not
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 02:55 PM
Apr 2023

rbe really under arrest IMO.

RainCaster

(10,914 posts)
48. BFD-call me when he's in prison
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 03:51 PM
Apr 2023

Too much hoopla over nothing.

Really, I want to see that sumbitch behind bars.

RevBrotherThomas

(838 posts)
54. Don't hold your breath.
Tue Apr 4, 2023, 04:08 PM
Apr 2023

He will be dead long before he sees the inside of jail cell.

I hope I am wrong, but this might be as good as it gets.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
69. I don't know if you realize it but while your comment
Wed Apr 5, 2023, 03:46 AM
Apr 2023

might seem like a very negative take it literally means that he is likely to keel over dead any minute.



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